Hey everybody....just wanna say that this will be my log of Oratropin. I have a kit that I am testing for IBE. My cycle will last 2 weeks unless I am guided other wise. I got the kit today and must say the product was packaged and labeled professionally and each and every oral syringe is wrapped up! The only negative that I may add, which I hope Lozgod and Riskarb may chime in, is that the syringes do not seem to be measured evenly! There if anyone wants I can post a pic of what I mean but I am to lazy to do so without any prompting. This is an HONEST log. If it goes well as I have been reading from Riskarb and Jonny B at some other site then I have much to look for. I am sure the oral syringes in total equal 600mcg but they are not 40mcg each as there are small differences in each syringe. I wanted to ask IBE and those testing Oratropin if I should take 1 oral syring a day or if I should do it every other day to make it last 4 weeks since it lasts for up to 48hrs in the body. If I do take it then my log will be to show what is attainable in a two week span. I will be eating at maintanance or possibly just under as I want to lose some weight. I am up to recommendations and suggestions, especially from those testing Oratropin and from IBE. I just also wanna say thanks to Riskarb as he has also helped me with some questions! It says on the directions to take 1 syringe at least 1 hour after a meal and to let it hit your tounge and swish it around, yet in a PM I was told to let it hit my throat and take it first thing in the morning, so which is right and WHY? I also got the pack today so I don't know whether to start tomorrow or start on monday when my training cycle begins? Thank you in advance to any who have answers...thanks!

Thank you Brian for your quick response! I was doubting the quality in any way and I was sure that the box contained 600mcg (as stated above), so please don't think that was a dis or a negative feed against you. So start first thing in the morning to the back of my throat and not let it swish around first? Any reason to take first thing in the morning as opposed to the recommended 1 hour after a meal? What about 1 syringe E.O.D. to last the recommended 4 weeks? If you can answer any/and all questions from the first post it is greatly appreciated, thank you Brian!

Also, when taking Oratropin in concern to cardio, would it make a difference? What effect would it have on cardio, should I have some gatorade near by in case I go Hypo?

[riskarb]

Good luck on the cycle. My pins were off as you say, but were over-dosed as Brian has stated.

I do fasted cardio every morning and take my OT before my stair climb... When I get back I take my morning shake. I get hypo on this stuff, but it's fairly predictable and diminishing with time. If you doing morning cardio I'd probably wait until finished.

[milwood]

bump to IBE for all these questions, and thanks in advance. Nobody seems to know exactly the best procedure to use this stuff due to its newness, so all info is important. Is there a thread or link with all the advisable procedures/do's and dont's, or are they in some instructions which accompany the product? Otherwise, the forum is probably as good a place as any for the info exchange.

[Lean One]

Thanks IBE. Just wanted to let you know I got the Kit yesterday. I'll be PMing you shortly 'cuz I have some Protocol issues I want to bounce off you.

Ok guys, I took my first dose at 11AM (YEA I woke up really late today!) It is not 11:30 and I am starving! Is it possible that the OT cause a blood sugar drop, as I took it first thing, and that is causing my intense hunger! I was gonna do fasted cardio but I am waiting until I hit that one hour mark and am gonna eat! I will do cardio after my workout though! IBE was right, the oral syringes were all above the 5ML mark (one or two near 7!). The taste leaves something to be desired, but it is not that bad either, sort of like a bland cookie dough! Any way I am taking it for results, not for taste. My mouth was also a little dryer after about 15minutes, but I don't know whether to attribute that to the OT or to not having any fluids yet! Will post back later. Any other signs for me to look out for guys?

Forgot to mention, I am assuming it is the OT making me hungry becuase I had a large dinner last night that I know was sitting heavy in me last night so I really think it must be the OT!

[The Reporter]

Brian@IBE,

I e-mailed you my shipping information yesterday, Wed-3/2/05, hope you got it. Let me know if you didn't.

MaNiak,

These postings are greatly appreciated. As far as the hypo goes, I almost welcome it as I'm a CKD dieter. The last time I experienced anything close to hypo was week three of my Superdrol cycle and extreme lethargy hit me for two days like a ton of bricks. I kicked in some 4AD transdermal and that solved it, so I'm doubting if it was hypoG.

But the state of ketosis, I've always felt, is total extreme hypoglycemia, thus your body kicks into converting fat cells into ketones. So OT seems to me, a perfect adjunct to a CKD'er like myself.

Sorry to MaNiak, not meaning to take your thread under hostage. But I'll be beginning my review log at bulknutrition.com. It looks like I'll be the first person over there to start it. And once something hot starts over there, I know Mike gets richer by the day, so I'd like to support him in that sense because I've never had anything but great service from him.
And Brian@IBE, I assume you'll have Mike at bulk carrying it sometime in the future after the beta testing period? I'm just curious.

[Buc4Life04]

Do/can you brush you teeth before you use in the morning?? What about if you keep your mouth open and have a fan blow in it and dry it out will that help absorbsion?

Sort of wondering about the brushing and listerine of the mouth also LOL!

I took my dose an hour after breakfast yesterday and today as well and didn't get as hungry afterwards. Nothing major to report except that for whatever reason I woke up at 226 today instead of 229. I assume I ate something to make me drop water but this is quite interesting to me.....will up date later.

[Lean One]

Oh boy! Night sweats! Can't wait!

[The Reporter]

IBE,

Thanks, got the kits today and will begin tomorrow.

Just to make sure, I will be dosing preworkout at 4:30 a.m., I work out at 5:30 a.m. I always workout on an empty stomach except for a eph/caff combo. Workout takes approximately 60 mins. so that should suffice for the one-hour time after dosing? Meaning, I can slam my usual postworkout shake?
I've begun a log at bulknutrition.com as it looks like I'm the first user to post over there. There is another person starting soon but I think I got him beat as far as starting the log. There's some feeble-minded people over there but they sure love to spend cash on stuff so they'll be keeping a close watch, I'm sure.

Today I had a really good workout, kept the pace pretty quick and my strength was good for every set. I think it is to early for it to be the OT but you never know! It really sucks to swish around a bland ass cookie dough flavor in your mouth FIRST thing in the morning and then not drink anything for an hour, other than that Bitchy complaint I have none. I am looking forward to tomorrows workout as well. I did an hour of cardio after the weight workout and endurance was good. Will weigh myself tomorrow, hopefully it didn't fluctuate much.

[Ifrit]

Do you guys take it first thing in the morning before eating or drinking anything?

I have taken it in the morning but when I do it like that I seem to get hungrier waiting for the hour window to close so I can eat something, it might be the drop in blood sugar or it might be from not eating while a sleep and having to wait another 30-60minutes. Hey IBE, can you drink water while waiting for the 30-60minute window to be up (it says stay away from carbonated drinks for an hour, not water)?

[Buc4Life04]

4:30 man thats dedication. I dont get up early for anybody or anything.

[the anapolack]

can you wait till middle of night(i alway wake up).....take and go back to bed?

[milwood]

Just to make sure, I will be dosing preworkout at 4:30 a.m., I work out at 5:30 a.m. I always workout on an empty stomach except for a eph/caff combo. Workout takes approximately 60 mins

R-man: having checked out some of your posts here and elsewhere, I appreciate your insight, experience, and understand you have a very specific diet regimen regarding ketosis, etc. However, if you really want to make some significant gains in the gym, I think you would be well served to have a protein/carb meal or shake of some kind before you do your weightlifting--even if its at 3am or whatever! There is just no way you can exert max effort in a heavily fasted state. You'll burn cals, to be sure, and fat cals at that. I still don't think it'll offset the negative effects of A) catabolism potential and B) inability to function w/ maximal effort/energy in the gym. Cardio, fine. But all out iron? I couldn't do it. There just isn't enough blood sugar to energize it!

Understand things need to be tweaked in regards to Oratropin use. As a general rule, though, something to consider. And remember, its just my $.02!