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    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    I have a few buddies that compete and they stay on year round as well. Two of them started at 18 and just accepted lifelong shutdown. It's a big commitment, especially for the younger crowd getting into it but that's really what happens. You just can't maintain superphysiological muscle gains without staying on steroids.
    Well aslong as they can afford proviron, arimidex, and cialis year long and they eat healthy do cardio I suppose you can do it...but for maximum muscular gains taking frequent breaks long term is better because of androgen receptors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    I have a few buddies that compete and they stay on year round as well. Two of them started at 18 and just accepted lifelong shutdown. It's a big commitment, especially for the younger crowd getting into it but that's really what happens. You just can't maintain superphysiological muscle gains without staying on steroids.
    Thank you yes it's a life long commitment you can't maintain what I look like without being on all year sorry it just doesn't happen !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvirus View Post
    Thank you yes it's a life long commitment you can't maintain what I look like without being on all year sorry it just doesn't happen !
    what ai's you running now bro, tell us more lol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zubda345 View Post
    tvirus where do you get info from? a friend? because you need to stop talking to the person who is misleading you man...your making us scratch our head big time
    I'm getting my info from guys that are winning state titles and going pro trust me most people on this site are no where near my level and when I show up to the gym I'm bigger and leaner than everybody almost every time unless your a state title winner or a top national level competitor and I will be there one day
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico1 View Post

    what ai's you running now bro, tell us more lol...
    I run masteron that's all I need I don't run ai's
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    I swear everyone this are a bunch posers need to find a better forum where people are serious not idiots lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvirus View Post
    I swear everyone this are a bunch posers need to find a better forum where people are serious not idiots lol
    i thought you were trolling at first but I guess you were serious the whole time lol...bro stop talking to your state champ gym mates...OR! provide more info and logic to why you run your gear all year long lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico1 View Post

    i thought you were trolling at first but I guess you were serious the whole time lol...bro stop talking to your state champ gym mates...OR! provide more info and logic to why you run your gear all year long lol
    I'm done waisting my time you obviously don't understand and that's why you will always be a little guy and wonder how freaks get like they do
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvirus View Post
    I'm done waisting my time you obviously don't understand and that's why you will always be a little guy and wonder how freaks get like they do
    And thats why im bigger than /grow up bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvirus View Post
    I'm done waisting my time you obviously don't understand and that's why you will always be a little guy and wonder how freaks get like they do
    Just inform us your logic behind you running gear all year long
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico1 View Post

    And thats why im bigger than /grow up bro
    Your bigger than what you look small in your pic to me lol and I have trophies to prove what I do works !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico1 View Post

    Just inform us your logic behind you running gear all year long
    Because as soon as you come off your losing everything you've gained strength size weight pumps everything where I keep it all year and with proper knowledge will continue to gain all year !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvirus View Post
    Your bigger than what you look small in your pic to me lol and I have trophies to prove what I do works !
    Im taller and bigger than you, my pic shows im at 5 percent bf at the end of my last cut, mad?

    But who cares stop bs'ing....mature up and just give us your damn logic behind you running gear all year dude
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvirus View Post
    Because as soon as you come off your losing everything you've gained strength size weight pumps everything where I keep it all year and with proper knowledge will continue to gain all year !
    Not everything, if you run a proper pct all you will lose is some fluid weight. But arn't you afraid of your health long term? Plus your androgen receptors won't be working as great within the 20 week mark, you gain more long term when you take frequent pct's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico1 View Post

    Im taller and bigger than you, my pic shows im at 5 percent bf at the end of my last cut, mad?

    But who cares stop bs'ing....mature up and just give us your damn logic behind you running gear all year dude
    I'm not giving you **** and your 5 percent in that pic that's a joke I'm done with you goodbye !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvirus View Post
    I'm not giving you **** and your 5 percent in that pic that's a joke I'm done with you goodbye !
    k bye
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvirus View Post
    Yes I compete I'm getting ready for my 3rd show right now hoping to do pretty well
    I like how you think though, I mean most people will say "oh your natural hormone production will be screwed at age 50".....LOL...even without steroids your test levels will naturally decline thats why 3/4 of America is on prescribed hormones at that age!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gorillamuscle View Post

    I like how you think though, I mean most people will say "oh your natural hormone production will be screwed at age 50".....LOL...even without steroids your test levels will naturally decline thats why 3/4 of America is on prescribed hormones at that age!
    Yes exactly and I honestly don't plan on having kids and I know guys In there 50's that have been running most there life without coming off and there fine and look better than most guys at there age
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvirus View Post
    Yes exactly and I honestly don't plan on having kids and I know guys In there 50's that have been running most there life without coming off and there fine and look better than most guys at there age
    you dont run orals do you? i guess i can understand you...what blood pressure support supps do you take?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvirus View Post
    I'm getting my info from guys that are winning state titles and going pro trust me most people on this site are no where near my level and when I show up to the gym I'm bigger and leaner than everybody almost every time unless your a state title winner or a top national level competitor and I will be there one day
    Quote Originally Posted by Nico1 View Post
    i thought you were trolling at first but I guess you were serious the whole time lol...bro stop talking to your state champ gym mates...OR! provide more info and logic to why you run your gear all year long lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Nico1 View Post
    And thats why im bigger than /grow up bro
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    k bye
    Heyy it's a FIGHT lol :P enjoying it :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvirus View Post
    I swear everyone this are a bunch posers need to find a better forum where people are serious not idiots lol
    Some of these guys are doing a halodrol/epi PH stack and they think they are hardcore harry. It really just depends on what your exposed to.

    Some of the pro's and pro MMA fighters, I sometimes train with and get stuff from, I think are hardcore to the bone. They do the following, I dont remember exact order or doses, as I dont plan on doing this type supplement combo, but it does not bother me either. And yes they stay on year round.

    Pre workout:
    GHRP/Mod GRF 1-29
    GH
    Halotestin (Fluoxymesterone)
    Adderall
    Nubain (injectable pain killer)
    Humalog/protien/carbs
    TNE or suspension
    Injectable dbol or anadrol
    IGF-DES in first body part trained

    During the workout:
    IGF-DES in each body part trained
    humalog/protien carbs half way thru

    Post workout:
    MGF in each body part trained
    GHRP/Mod GRF 1-29
    GH
    Humlog/protien/carbs
    soma

    Solid meal

    Few hours later:
    Dilaudid and a nap

    Then repeat for second work out of the day.

    Then chiropractor and massage

    Then at bed time
    Melanotan-II (MT-2)
    xanax or ambien
    nubain or Dilaudid
    GHRP/Mod GRF 1-29
    GH

    On top off all that to bulk:
    5000mg testE/EW
    1800 Deca/EW
    Whatever oral of the month is (dbol, anadrol or superdrol)

    And cutting phase and contest prep is alot more complicated cycle of AAS.

    That is some dedication, but that's all they do, that's what a pro does. not just pop a few pills and workout an hour a day, 5 days a week.

    Some people only want to look good for a vacation, others are serious athletes willing to do whatever it takes to compete and win. The problem is you have people on here that have never used or first timers to the hard core's. You cant really get to upset with people that don't understand, they just have never been exposed to it before. I know I wasn't.

    There is no right or wrong its either a hobby to look good short term, a life style or a profession. Thus the different levels of use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico1 View Post

    you dont run orals do you? i guess i can understand you...what blood pressure support supps do you take?
    Ya cycle on and off anadrol and humalog but those affected only things I come off of and no blood pressure medicine I check it every now and then and it's fine it's actually lower than most people's because I eat clean and workout all year plus I don't drink either
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvirus View Post
    Ya cycle on and off anadrol and humalog but those affected only things I come off of and no blood pressure medicine I check it every now and then and it's fine it's actually lower than most people's because I eat clean and workout all year plus I don't drink either
    do you think anadrol's and dbol's liver toxicity is big time exaggerated? i do
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico1 View Post

    do you think anadrol's and dbol's liver toxicity is big time exaggerated? i do
    Ya I've never had a problem and I never take liver support or anything I just make sure I don't drink
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico1 View Post

    Im taller and bigger than you, my pic shows im at 5 percent bf at the end of my last cut, mad?

    But who cares stop bs'ing....mature up and just give us your damn logic behind you running gear all year dude
    You're not 5 percent in that pic.. .not at all lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRex View Post
    Some of these guys are doing a halodrol/epi PH stack and they think they are hardcore harry. It really just depends on what your exposed to.

    Some of the pro's and pro MMA fighters, I sometimes train with and get stuff from, I think are hardcore to the bone. They do the following, I dont remember exact order or doses, as I dont plan on doing this type supplement combo, but it does not bother me either. And yes they stay on year round.

    Pre workout:
    GHRP/Mod GRF 1-29
    GH
    Halotestin (Fluoxymesterone)
    Adderall
    Nubain (injectable pain killer)
    Humalog/protien/carbs
    TNE or suspension
    Injectable dbol or anadrol
    IGF-DES in first body part trained

    During the workout:
    IGF-DES in each body part trained
    humalog/protien carbs half way thru

    Post workout:
    MGF in each body part trained
    GHRP/Mod GRF 1-29
    GH
    Humlog/protien/carbs
    soma

    Solid meal

    Few hours later:
    Dilaudid and a nap

    Then repeat for second work out of the day.

    Then chiropractor and massage

    Then at bed time
    Melanotan-II (MT-2)
    xanax or ambien
    nubain or Dilaudid
    GHRP/Mod GRF 1-29
    GH

    On top off all that to bulk:
    5000mg testE/EW
    1800 Deca/EW
    Whatever oral of the month is (dbol, anadrol or superdrol)

    And cutting phase and contest prep is alot more complicated cycle of AAS.

    That is some dedication, but that's all they do, that's what a pro does. not just pop a few pills and workout an hour a day, 5 days a week.

    Some people only want to look good for a vacation, others are serious athletes willing to do whatever it takes to compete and win. The problem is you have people on here that have never used or first timers to the hard core's. You cant really get to upset with people that don't understand, they just have never been exposed to it before. I know I wasn't.

    There is no right or wrong its either a hobby to look good short term, a life style or a profession. Thus the different levels of use.
    DAAAAAAAAMN! lol...how much calories do they consume?!!? Why mt-2 before bed? I hate spot injections lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    You're not 5 percent in that pic.. .not at all lol
    you'd have to see me in person, small avatar forum pictures of course won't look that impressive, that should be obvious bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico1 View Post

    you'd have to see me in person, small avatar forum pictures of course won't look that impressive, that should be obvious bro
    Ya but if you've never competed you've never hit 5 % I'm at 5 % right now and look nothing close to me
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    Up 2lbs...bodyfat same, honestly no strength gains yet but all my lifts somewhat feel lighter if you guys know what im talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRex View Post
    Some of these guys are doing a halodrol/epi PH stack and they think they are hardcore harry. It really just depends on what your exposed to.

    Some of the pro's and pro MMA fighters, I sometimes train with and get stuff from, I think are hardcore to the bone. They do the following, I dont remember exact order or doses, as I dont plan on doing this type supplement combo, but it does not bother me either. And yes they stay on year round.

    Pre workout:
    GHRP/Mod GRF 1-29
    GH
    Halotestin (Fluoxymesterone)
    Adderall
    Nubain (injectable pain killer)
    Humalog/protien/carbs
    TNE or suspension
    Injectable dbol or anadrol
    IGF-DES in first body part trained

    During the workout:
    IGF-DES in each body part trained
    humalog/protien carbs half way thru

    Post workout:
    MGF in each body part trained
    GHRP/Mod GRF 1-29
    GH
    Humlog/protien/carbs
    soma

    Solid meal

    Few hours later:
    Dilaudid and a nap

    Then repeat for second work out of the day.

    Then chiropractor and massage

    Then at bed time
    Melanotan-II (MT-2)
    xanax or ambien
    nubain or Dilaudid
    GHRP/Mod GRF 1-29
    GH

    On top off all that to bulk:
    5000mg testE/EW
    1800 Deca/EW
    Whatever oral of the month is (dbol, anadrol or superdrol)

    And cutting phase and contest prep is alot more complicated cycle of AAS.

    That is some dedication, but that's all they do, that's what a pro does. not just pop a few pills and workout an hour a day, 5 days a week.

    Some people only want to look good for a vacation, others are serious athletes willing to do whatever it takes to compete and win. The problem is you have people on here that have never used or first timers to the hard core's. You cant really get to upset with people that don't understand, they just have never been exposed to it before. I know I wasn't.

    There is no right or wrong its either a hobby to look good short term, a life style or a profession. Thus the different levels of use.
    No human being could handle this. This is pure BS.

    The 5000mg test and 1800 deca alone is ridiculous. Not to mention you are talking about something like 15 injections per day. I seriously hope no one tries something like this because it is retarded. Pros aren't doing this, gym rats aren't doing this, guinea pigs aren't doing this.

    Seriously man there are interviews with a few pro BBs I've seen where they admit to usage and say what they were taking and it's normal stuff. For instance Lee Priest said in an interview he took 2cc of deca and primo per week. Just google it, I don't need to source info this easy to find.
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