- 09-13-2010, 04:21 PM
I have been trying as much info on sarms as I can. I have been working out solidly for two years, and am 20 years old (21 soon). I have seen much contradictory info on sarms in general, some stating no pct required, does not affect hpta, others saying it's dose dependent. I am guessing it's still too knew to tell. I understand that some users get minor shutdown on s4, so it is affecting hpta in some way but overall seems to have less sides than aas. Ostarine may have the potential to have even less sides/shutdown. Is there any vet or experienced user that would know if ostarine would be safe for a 20 year old to take, if nolvedex/ clomid is on hand?
- 09-13-2010, 05:31 PM
We have the studies that you have probably seen if you have typed ostarine into google or even on many boards like this, but ostarine is very new. I have only seen a couple of guys report on it and they had received fairly small samples so they were not on it for very long. I have seen it for sale now at a couple of places so I am guessing you will see a lot of info soon, but real user feedback is going to be scarce at this point.
- 09-14-2010, 02:38 AM
s**** search now has it in stock, im pretty excited. I should have my order by the end of the week. I plan on running a log.
09-14-2010, 09:10 AM
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09-14-2010, 10:39 PM
I ran s4 for 4 weeks at 50mg/day and now that I am off for 2 weeks I have no libido and no morning wood. I enjoyed the effects while on, but for me there was definitely suppression. I am starting PCT now. I am really hoping ostarine is a better option for me as far as suppression is concerned, but we'll see.
09-15-2010, 01:22 AM
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09-16-2010, 10:19 AM
For those who might be thinking it..no, the atd did not cause my libido issues, I only started the PCT after realizing I was shutdown.
09-16-2010, 10:27 AM
09-16-2010, 11:43 AM
lol at shutdown, its not a hormone fellas. It doesnt work like that. Its docks on to the receptors, it doesnt shut them off. No PCT needed. You dont feel as god when you come "off" because you were no longer "on".
No shut down on this kids log.
NEW SARMS S-4 LOG!!!! - For the MMA Fighter
09-16-2010, 12:00 PM
It may not be a hormone, but it works in pretty much the same way. Shutdown isnt due to receptors being turned off, it is because of the negative feedback loop in the hpta which causes the body to "shutdown" or down regulate natural production. Even the rat studies on s4 showed LH suppression. I am glad that some people are able to run this without suppression, but it doesnt invalidate my experience or the experience of hugeswole or the scientific data, not to mention the feedback of several other users on various boards that required PCT after s4.
09-17-2010, 01:46 AM
09-18-2010, 02:26 PM
This is a very promising research chem. I had placed my ostarine (mk-2866) order with xxxxxemicals and will be posting a log once I get it.
09-18-2010, 09:43 PM
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09-19-2010, 03:21 AM
09-19-2010, 08:00 AM
I also can't wait to see some of the Ostarine logs populate a bit. Going to hold off until then.
OT: Will someone please tell me why Sarms haven't caught on? Why they are not more popular?
Steroids WITHOUT nasty androgenic sides, hepatotoxic issues, lipid problems and only a mild impact on the HPTA axis. These seem more reasonable to use then both Steroids and PH's all day long (for MILD cycles).
09-23-2010, 01:28 AM
09-23-2010, 01:40 AM
I know of two companies selling fake osta and s4. If the price seems to good to be true, its because it is. These products are very expensive to manufacture.
09-23-2010, 02:01 AM
09-23-2010, 07:31 AM
I've seen the same threads
Be careful while reading their posts as they BOTH have a vested interest in these SARMS.
TO BE FAIR: That does NOT mean their feedback is BS! BUT it is important to know if you get what I mean.
An example would be a guy from USPLabs pimping his own supps. His assessment could be SPOT ON and legit but a discerning eye is needed for obvious reasons!
Carlito is a good guy and been around for ages on these boards. I only think it's fair that readers know all that surrounds any feedback. Again, BOTH types of SARMS might be the bomb-diggity, I just think feedback from people unrelated to sales is a more reasonable approach with regard to gaining insight.
09-23-2010, 08:58 AM
guys, you should run the S4 together with d-aspartic acid @ 6 grams/ a day. You won't experience shutdown with the DAA. (DAA raises LH and Testosterone at the same time) It will be a incredible mix.
09-23-2010, 09:41 AM
09-23-2010, 06:42 PM
On the side note, I took my first 10mg this morning upon awakening. Tasted like the way superglue smells but from what others are saying, they got the same reaction. Going to do my workout in a bit, not expecting any changes for a little while though.
09-23-2010, 06:43 PM
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09-23-2010, 09:27 PM
So far the yellow tint its ok... its there but *uck it!!! one more week.
09-23-2010, 10:05 PM
Heard about many saying that a combo of s4 and ostarine would be amazing as well. Hope some of the more experienced users do a log with the two.
09-24-2010, 01:58 AM
09-24-2010, 03:15 AM
09-24-2010, 11:06 AM
What are you people talking about with the DMSO being a bad thing? At 15mg/day you're taking 1/100th of the lowest dose to show any adverse effects, in rats. No adverse effects have ever been shown in people.
We got people on S4 losing their vision and people are splitting hairs about DMSO without doing any research...perspective, people!
Paging Dr. Banner. . .
09-24-2010, 01:47 PM
09-24-2010, 04:15 PM
The Jury is out on the M1 metabolite, and S4 is more androgenic (that's why it cuts better, but is more suppressive, better strength etc...basically closer to real gear, Ostarine is more SARMy)
Ostarine + a real AI + LCLT should be plenty, IMO.
EDIT: They pulled S4 from trials at much lower doses, and those reports mention vision problems. Ostarine seems better in every relevant way, I just don't get it.
Paging Dr. Banner. . .
09-24-2010, 04:33 PM
Whereas from all I can tell, Ostarine is still undergoing further trials, having passed the initial round
09-24-2010, 04:33 PM
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