[Sisonpyh]

I have been trying as much info on sarms as I can. I have been working out solidly for two years, and am 20 years old (21 soon). I have seen much contradictory info on sarms in general, some stating no pct required, does not affect hpta, others saying it's dose dependent. I am guessing it's still too knew to tell. I understand that some users get minor shutdown on s4, so it is affecting hpta in some way but overall seems to have less sides than aas. Ostarine may have the potential to have even less sides/shutdown. Is there any vet or experienced user that would know if ostarine would be safe for a 20 year old to take, if nolvedex/ clomid is on hand?

[natiels]

We have the studies that you have probably seen if you have typed ostarine into google or even on many boards like this, but ostarine is very new. I have only seen a couple of guys report on it and they had received fairly small samples so they were not on it for very long. I have seen it for sale now at a couple of places so I am guessing you will see a lot of info soon, but real user feedback is going to be scarce at this point.

[junkyarddogzz]

s**** search now has it in stock, im pretty excited. I should have my order by the end of the week. I plan on running a log.

[natiels]

xxxxxxxxx now has it in stock, im pretty excited. I should have my order by the end of the week. I plan on running a log.

i don't think you are supposed to be posting sources for research chems.

[junkyarddogzz]

That is what I was figuring. Only seen a small log by Carlito and CharlesMcgee on another forum. They seemed like they were both having fairly decent results, fat loss, lean muscle, endurance, and overall feeling of well being. Will be nice to see some new logs in the next couple weeks now that SS, che**, and unique chemicals (appears they use DMSO which is no good from my reading) are out.



Will definitely be following yours/ everyone's logs to see what the deal is in terms of lean muscle, strength etc but mainly possible sides such as shutdown. Guess it could be dose dependent, will be interesting to see how people use it for cutting, recomp or bulk. What are you going to start off with, and for what purpose? I saw you answer some questions in the other thread about sarms. Do you think it would be relatively safe on hpta?

No shutdown on the HPTA, I love the sarms s4, so it has some BIG shoes to fill IMO. I had the osta-sarms to try for a couple weeks and saw results at 6mgs ed, so im looking forward to 12mg.

[junkyarddogzz]

i don't think you are supposed to be posting sources for research chems.

my bad bro, edited.

[Sisonpyh]

No shutdown on the HPTA, I love the sarms s4, so it has some BIG shoes to fill IMO. I had the osta-sarms to try for a couple weeks and saw results at 6mgs ed, so im looking forward to 12mg.

Hmm interesting. Guess its to much gray area to predict for anyone. Ill need to look at the logs to see the general consensus. 12 mg should be a good start, you thinking about pushing the dosage up after a certain time or keep it at that and compare to 6mg?

[natiels]

I ran s4 for 4 weeks at 50mg/day and now that I am off for 2 weeks I have no libido and no morning wood. I enjoyed the effects while on, but for me there was definitely suppression. I am starting PCT now. I am really hoping ostarine is a better option for me as far as suppression is concerned, but we'll see.

[junkyarddogzz]

I ran s4 for 4 weeks at 50mg/day and now that I am off for 2 weeks I have no libido and no morning wood. I enjoyed the effects while on, but for me there was definitely suppression. I am starting PCT now. I am really hoping ostarine is a better option for me as far as suppression is concerned, but we'll see.

strange as I had none, and I took a ZRT test before and after. Test levels did not change.

You are a minority case to say the lease. Toss some HCgenerate in next go round.

[hugeswole]

I ran s4 for 4 weeks at 50mg/day and now that I am off for 2 weeks I have no libido and no morning wood. I enjoyed the effects while on, but for me there was definitely suppression. I am starting PCT now. I am really hoping ostarine is a better option for me as far as suppression is concerned, but we'll see.

Dude, I had the exact same experience. I really liked this product but it needs a PCT. I don't know about you but I kept most of my results. I wonder too how the Ostarine will be but the only way to really know is to actually try it.

[Sisonpyh]

I ran s4 for 4 weeks at 50mg/day and now that I am off for 2 weeks I have no libido and no morning wood. I enjoyed the effects while on, but for me there was definitely suppression. I am starting PCT now. I am really hoping ostarine is a better option for me as far as suppression is concerned, but we'll see.

Damn sounds like pretty bad shutdown. I took hdrol at 50/75/75/75 with nothing like that. Hope pct goes well for you, interested in seeing how fast you will recover. What are you running? If you are going to run a log I will definitely follow.

[natiels]

Damn sounds like pretty bad shutdown. I took hdrol at 50/75/75/75 with nothing like that. Hope pct goes well for you, interested in seeing how fast you will recover. What are you running? If you are going to run a log I will definitely follow.

As far as sex goes I am still able to function, but just no desire to do so. I am running powerfull and atd for pct. I still enjoyed s4 and I will probably run it again. It gave me a very nice boost in strength and hardness/muscle quality seemed to improve everywhere. It also seemed to support libido well because I had zero issues while on.

For those who might be thinking it..no, the atd did not cause my libido issues, I only started the PCT after realizing I was shutdown.

[natiels]

Dude, I had the exact same experience. I really liked this product but it needs a PCT. I don't know about you but I kept most of my results. I wonder too how the Ostarine will be but the only way to really know is to actually try it.

So far the results have stuck.

[junkyarddogzz]

lol at shutdown, its not a hormone fellas. It doesnt work like that. Its docks on to the receptors, it doesnt shut them off. No PCT needed. You dont feel as god when you come "off" because you were no longer "on".

No shut down on this kids log.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle...w-sarms-s.html

[natiels]

It may not be a hormone, but it works in pretty much the same way. Shutdown isnt due to receptors being turned off, it is because of the negative feedback loop in the hpta which causes the body to "shutdown" or down regulate natural production. Even the rat studies on s4 showed LH suppression. I am glad that some people are able to run this without suppression, but it doesnt invalidate my experience or the experience of hugeswole or the scientific data, not to mention the feedback of several other users on various boards that required PCT after s4.

[junkyarddogzz]

It may not be a hormone, but it works in pretty much the same way. Shutdown isnt due to receptors being turned off, it is because of the negative feedback loop in the hpta which causes the body to "shutdown" or down regulate natural production. Even the rat studies on s4 showed LH suppression. I am glad that some people are able to run this without suppression, but it doesnt invalidate my experience or the experience of hugeswole or the scientific data, not to mention the feedback of several other users on various boards that required PCT after s4.

Im not saying you dont feel suppressed, but guys are using it in their PCT regime......so, I find it hard to belive there is shutdown. I have run ZRT test and they showed no diff in test, so I guess the thats where my info come from. I have run s4 at least 10 times with no issue.

[julius123d]

This is a very promising research chem. I had placed my ostarine (mk-2866) order with xxxxxemicals and will be posting a log once I get it.

[Sisonpyh]

It may not be a hormone, but it works in pretty much the same way. Shutdown isnt due to receptors being turned off, it is because of the negative feedback loop in the hpta which causes the body to "shutdown" or down regulate natural production. Even the rat studies on s4 showed LH suppression. I am glad that some people are able to run this without suppression, but it doesnt invalidate my experience or the experience of hugeswole or the scientific data, not to mention the feedback of several other users on various boards that required PCT after s4.

This is exactly what I gathered from reading other logs. It is odd though that some don't get shut down. But like junkyarddog, I have seen numerous logs where people have ran s4 successfully for pct. Personally I would not risk it, hoping that Ostarine will be a different story though. Going to order some from Che** tonight and follow as many logs as I can. Sure many will be popping up in the next couple weeks. Have tamo on hand just in case.

This is a very promising research chem. I had placed my ostarine (mk-2866) order with xxxxxemicals and will be posting a log once I get it.

I will be following when you do get it.

[daft205]

Absolutely! Incredibly intriguing compound. Definately subbed to anyone who logs this.

[junkyarddogzz]

This is exactly what I gathered from reading other logs. It is odd though that some don't get shut down. But like junkyarddog, I have seen numerous logs where people have ran s4 successfully for pct. Personally I would not risk it, hoping that Ostarine will be a different story though. Going to order some from Che** tonight and follow as many logs as I can. Sure many will be popping up in the next couple weeks. Have tamo on hand just in case.




I will be following when you do get it.

the sarms s4 and the osta-sarm are realy somthing special. Well at least the sarms-s4. Cant wait to see the osta-sarms logs.I would not order from anyone but "sarms search", but thats just me. Sarms Search had both first "sarms s-4"and the"osta-sarm" and they are the only company that will give you a COA. I emailed one of the others and asked for one and got no response. There are lots of fakes in the mix.....I just want a quality product.

[Whacked]

I concur.

I also can't wait to see some of the Ostarine logs populate a bit. Going to hold off until then.

OT: Will someone please tell me why Sarms haven't caught on? Why they are not more popular?

Steroids WITHOUT nasty androgenic sides, hepatotoxic issues, lipid problems and only a mild impact on the HPTA axis. These seem more reasonable to use then both Steroids and PH's all day long (for MILD cycles).

the sarms s4 and the osta-sarm are realy somthing special. Well at least the sarms-s4. Cant wait to see the osta-sarms logs.I would not order from anyone but "sarms search", but thats just me. Sarms Search had both first "sarms s-4"and the"osta-sarm" and they are the only company that will give you a COA. I emailed one of the others and asked for one and got no response. There are lots of fakes in the mix.....I just want a quality product.

[Sisonpyh]

the sarms s4 and the osta-sarm are realy somthing special. Well at least the sarms-s4. Cant wait to see the osta-sarms logs.I would not order from anyone but "sarms search", but thats just me. Sarms Search had both first "sarms s-4"and the"osta-sarm" and they are the only company that will give you a COA. I emailed one of the others and asked for one and got no response. There are lots of fakes in the mix.....I just want a quality product.

I understand that SS is defintiely legit but I have heard good things about chem** and they have a COA on there site. I will be the guinea pig for them I suppose. Just got it today! Going to start taking it tomorrow. Haven't heard one response about age, so we will see how it goes.

[junkyarddogzz]

I understand that SS is defintiely legit but I have heard good things about chem** and they have a COA on there site. I will be the guinea pig for them I suppose. Just got it today! Going to start taking it tomorrow. Haven't heard one response about age, so we will see how it goes.

order at your own risk. sarms search has been around since the s4 and osta hit the market. Thats the only company i would use.I would go with the guys that have been at it the longest. Let us know how it goes.

I know of two companies selling fake osta and s4. If the price seems to good to be true, its because it is. These products are very expensive to manufacture.

[Sisonpyh]

order at your own risk. sarms search has been around since the s4 and osta hit the market. Thats the only company i would use.I would go with the guys that have been at it the longest. Let us know how it goes.

I know of two companies selling fake osta and s4. If the price seems to good to be true, its because it is. These products are very expensive to manufacture.

Ill probably do a sporadic log depending on how much school I need to keep up with. Hopefully everyone will come together on this to get as much info out as possible. I trust the sources that that mentioned that site, but I suppose time will tell.

[Whacked]

I've seen the same threads

Be careful while reading their posts as they BOTH have a vested interest in these SARMS.

TO BE FAIR: That does NOT mean their feedback is BS! BUT it is important to know if you get what I mean.

An example would be a guy from USPLabs pimping his own supps. His assessment could be SPOT ON and legit but a discerning eye is needed for obvious reasons!

Carlito is a good guy and been around for ages on these boards. I only think it's fair that readers know all that surrounds any feedback. Again, BOTH types of SARMS might be the bomb-diggity, I just think feedback from people unrelated to sales is a more reasonable approach with regard to gaining insight.

That is what I was figuring. Only seen a small log by Carlito and CharlesMcgee on another forum. They seemed like they were both having fairly decent results, fat loss, lean muscle, endurance, and overall feeling of well being. Will be nice to see some new logs in the next couple weeks now that SS, che**, and unique chemicals (appears they use DMSO which is no good from my reading) are out.