PapaPump's CJC-1295/GHRP-6 6-month Run
- 10-10-2008, 09:10 AM
- 10-10-2008, 09:14 AM
10-10-2008, 10:05 AM
10-10-2008, 10:07 AM
HE HE, I took a "sick" day today...headaches started at like 2am and I still have it. My blood pressure is ~130 after 2g hawthronberry. Oh well....
10-10-2008, 10:27 AM
Plus there is anecdotal evidence of CJC causing tumors/growths, and, of course, gh can expediate the growth of anything, so like I said in my humble opinion I would find out whats going on, before continuing.
10-10-2008, 10:31 AM
today was your first day finding the right doses? ease up on the cjc imo but shoot the ghrp6 as normal for a few days, a day or two off from the cjc could help. Do you have a history of bad bloodpressure?
10-10-2008, 10:34 AM
which therefore means you are proposing papa already has a brain tumour which has now grown since starting the cjc+ghrp6.
edit: i will admit my reply is rather strong but im on nightduty and have had a lack of sleep for past 4 days. but my reason is please do not frighten the already fragile person that is papa.
10-10-2008, 11:29 AM
But, let's think about this: CJC has a 1/2-life as indicated in Dat's thread. If I've been dosing 5.25mg (5,250mcg) the past week, I think I'd have enough floating around for a while that I wouldn't need to take some for at least a couple of days.
I'm a "midoints" sort of guy...I like averages. So I think I'll average Pumb's recommendation, Future's, and Piston's and when I do that I get a personal decision to:
Cease CJC for 2-3 days (depending on how I feel), but continue to dose GHRP-6 300mcg 3x ED.
10-10-2008, 11:32 AM
Papa, the best way to get back to the levels you want would be:
1)via matrix, figure out your current systemic level of CJC using the 10% daily degradation level as posted by DAT.
2)Postpone further doses of CJC until you current systemic levels drop to the baseline of your original protocol, then continue your desired dosages.
3)Continue GHRP at the proposed dosages throughout.
10-10-2008, 11:39 AM
10-10-2008, 11:41 AM
10-10-2008, 02:10 PM
Ok, I have spent quite some time today working on decay rates and CJC-1295 accumulation rates when dosed ED. I am trying to determine how many days off from CJC I need in order to reach the concentration I SHOULD have been at if my protocol was followed.
Below is a basic decay rate of CJC based on 10% loss ED. Again, as I noted Dat's thread, this is asymptotic meaning the line approaches zero, but in theory, will never reach zero unless you define a "decimal stopping point" such as, 0.00001. Enough of that crap.
The next graph basically shows the Actual & Expected [CJC] (CJC concentrations) as a function of time and how long I have to wait until I can start dosing CJC again.
Source data attached (zipped Excel workbook)
10-10-2008, 03:14 PM
10-10-2008, 03:32 PM
EDITED POST ABOVE (ADDED GRAPHS): Ok, sorry for the delay. I had to find a stupid mistake in my calculations. I accidentally had a "sum" function that was artificially inflating the [CJC]. Sorry.
Pumb, thanks for catching and not telling anyone about my 5th grade mistake
10-10-2008, 03:34 PM
10-10-2008, 03:38 PM
Anywho, as my data suggests, I will have to wait 3 days before my CJC levels drop to where they should be. That will in no way inhibit GH release because there will obviously be PLENTY of CJC floating around to work w/my GHRP-6.
10-10-2008, 03:43 PM
10-10-2008, 03:45 PM
10-10-2008, 04:07 PM
10-10-2008, 04:28 PM
I think there is a good possibility that you DID NOT mix up vials in the first place.
You can not compare freeze-dried powder volume between vials and expect to get an accurate assessment of the amount/weight of peptide inside.
If you look at vials of the same color you will notice variability even among the same peptide. Trying to compare vials of different peptides by visual inspection is worse.
Although the powder is suppose to be devoid of moisture, it is likely not and this may more or less account for volume changes. In addition some powder is simply denser then others.
I just pulled out CJC-1295 2mg vials; GHRP-6 5mg vials and MT-II 10mg vials and compared.
There was a LOT of variability in the GHRP-6 vials. There was a fair amount of consistency among the CJC-1295 vials as well as the MT-II vials.
However comparing among peptides was difficult. 10mgs of MT-II did not look much bigger the 2mgs of CJC-1295 and comparing GHRP-6 5mgs to CJC-1295 2mgs was an exercise in futility.
You are VERY VERY lucky because one set of vials is green & the other blue. In fact they were labeled for you. Now ALL you need to do is double check with the seller by color code.
If you are unable to do that let the CJC-1295 clear and then choose one vial and take a little.
- a hunger effect = GHRP-6
- lethargy = CJC-1295
- solid sleep but no wacky dream = GHRP-6
- deep sleep and wacky dreams = CJC-1295
OR if you have a very sensitive scale capable of measuring .001 grams (and if you play with powders you should) then open one of each and weigh the contents of each.
* - By-the-way I'm not immune to these types of hassles either. Some of my GHRP-6 are blue & my CJC-1295's are blue. When I just pulled them out for a comparison I may have mixed up one of the vials. Oh well.
10-10-2008, 05:03 PM
10-10-2008, 05:53 PM
Ok, this is getting me all jacked up in the head. I would REALLY like to get this straightened out. I was already told that supplier of my peps can switch tops and uses what ever is avail.
And YES, I have quite a bit of variability in volume of powder among GHRP and CJC.
LOL Dat, I too have mixed up vials when I was comparing them! Wow was that pissing me off.
Well, I'll just use one pep. at a time and look for your "indicators" above. Thanks for helping!
10-10-2008, 07:30 PM
IMO, the best immediate short term side to judge CJC is the distinct dose dependant "niacin like flushing". At least 400mcg would give some minor flushing for me. Not quite as intense as the days of bi weekly 1mg injects tho..
Knowing this expected symptom, I can even detect it slightly when taking 200mcg if I pay close attention...
I would personally try a larger dosage of at least 500mcg and let the fridge be the judge. Either you get some flushing and stick your head in the freezer, or you possibly get hungry and look in the fridge instead
I agree. Dat is right for pointing out the flawed method of visually identifying powder volume, if that is the only basis for the assumption.
10-10-2008, 08:19 PM
10-10-2008, 09:36 PM
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