[bbkhan87]

ok i need a steroid free drug protocol for maximal muscle growth, i need to pt on 15-20 pounds of muscle before my next contest The northern colorado, its about a year and i cant take steroids, personal reasons my diet is perfect and training also. Who ever helps the most i will give them a bottle of havoc and hdrol, i promise. I also dont want to mess with gh cus its so damn expensive, thanks gentle man. stats are 6 foot 193, 8% bodyfat, i won the last novice in the northern, so i need to improve to hang with the big boys!

[SoCo4Fun]

non hormonal or just not illegal steroids?

[papapumpsd]

Originally Posted by bbkhan87

ok i need a steroid free drug protocol for maximal muscle growth, i need to pt on 15-20 pounds of muscle before my next contest The northern colorado, its about a year and i cant take steroids, personal reasons my diet is perfect and training also. Who ever helps the most i will give them a bottle of havoc and hdrol, i promise. I also dont want to mess with gh cus its so damn expensive, thanks gentle man. stats are 6 foot 193, 8% bodyfat, i won the last novice in the northern, so i need to improve to hang with the big boys!

By all means, read Dat's GHRP/CJC thread. That's a great start right there. You get the benefits of endog. GH w/o using exog. GH. Shizzam!

I'm assuming others will recommend coupling those two peptides with PEGMGF and Insulin. But these guys are NUTS, so who the hell knows what they'll recommend!!

[bbkhan87]

lol i tried reading it but damn so long...you want to give me a cliffnotes summary lol ive done igf lr3 before. It was amazing i didnt like it at first because of the fact that it does not have an "on" feeling but when my weight jumped 8 punds and i gained have an ince on my arms that i KEPT, i was happy. NON steroidal or atleast stuff that wont shut me down

[Corey165]

why no steroids? you time it right, and with the right esters, you can take test up till the day or two before and test clean

run a hgh (10iu), igf (40-60mcg), slin(10iu) blast post workout 3x a week

also check out SARM S4, its available
none hormonal, but anabolic effects equivalent to test prop mg for mg

[bbkhan87]

bro i have been searching for sarms for half a year now on a lot of research chem sites. PM me with a source and il give you some good sources

[babyblu]

OK here we go, assuming we have 12 months until the competition:

MONTHS 1 - 11:
creatine (mono is fine b/c its cheapest) this should be stopped a month prior to comp to reduce bloat

MONTHS 1- 12
bulk POWERFULL
citrulline mallate
yellow gold (be sure to time this one in the morning before breakfast with lots of good carbs, then preWO with some Gatorade or WMS, then post WO prior to igf injects and prior to postWO drinks)
arginine
BCAAs
and of course lots of protein
Most all of these are available in bulk powders from Nutraplanet or bulk nutrition and are relatively cheap

MONTHS 1-12:
ghrp6 300mics per day x 5-7 days per week (depending on $$)
cjc: 100mics per day (20 minutes BEFORE ghrp6) x 5-7 days per week ($$ issue)
pegMGF: 300 mics (shot IM bi-lat into lagging muscle groups, rotate every week) x 2 times per week (shoot 3 hours BEFORE WO and be sure to take in a lot of the bulk powders PRIOR to WO and immediately AFTER WO)
igf: 20mics shot IM bi-lat post WO into muscle group just worked (same muscle group you hit with pegMGF) 7 days per week (on NON-WO days, shoot IM bi-lat in the mornings into the muscle group worked the night before), BEFORE drinking postWO drink

months 1-12: bulk nettle root, Horny goat weed, Maca, and trib, low dose DHEA (at your age perhaps 10mg/day)* (dhea is optional)

months 2, 5, 8, 10 : an AI of some sort (formestane is a good one or perhaps 6-oxo, or something), this will help reduce any bloat and minimize water retention

I am not doing any dieting stuff here b/c you asked how to put on lbm.

bb

[bbkhan87]

babyblu your a bada$$, that will cost me a lot but i will see. Im eating 2.5 grams of carbs per bdyweight and 1 gram of protein per every kilo i weigh every 2.5 hours. I feel hard, staying lean but filling out. I go through whey like crazy though. Man that stack is expensive!

[bbkhan87]

is this some what comparable to AAS in longterm gains

[babyblu]

S-4 might shut you down so that would be in conflict with your stated goals.

IF you are going to run S-4 I would add it in like this (based on my own experience with S-4):

50mgs/day x 7 days per week, months 2-3, months 6-7, 10-11

ALSO, on my prior post, please note for CJC (which I forgot to add) take off MONTH 4 and MONTH 8 (just for the cjc only)

bb

[babyblu]

Well competing is expensive bro. The pros go thru stuff like we wouldnt believe. But to make your goals in a NON HORMONAL manner, that is what I suggest. You could maybe take MONTHS 3, 6, and 9 off from pegMGF too, to save some funds. AND take months 5 and 10 off from igf, just to save funds.

[babyblu]

Also long term gains from peptides are kept, unlike AAS. So while you might not blow up like you would on dbol, you will in the long term feel healthier, and keep more gains.

bb

[bbkhan87]

how would this sound, all your otc products statd but a igf 1, cjc, slin stack and than rotate that with pegmgf or no, im just saying can taking one or two peptides alone be effiecent or do i need to stack all 80 of them lol

[babyblu]

Well yes, slin is the best of all those, I just dont recommend that unless you know what you are doing. If you are going to use slin, you could reduce the igf to 10mics per day.

OR you can rotate between 2 months of igf and 2 months of pegMGF,and running ghrp6 (cheapest) non stop, taking a month off cjc every 4 months.

bb

[bbkhan87]

now that sounds good i heard dave palumbo say that anymore than 20mcg of igf will be wasted. If this can put that 15lbs of muscle on before my next contest i will be killin them i already won the novice but these guys will be on gear

[papapumpsd]

LOL, told you one of these doodz would post something huge....leave it to BB to put together the advanced stuff! Good ole reliable! Good post BB!

Cheers,

-Papa!-

[babyblu]

Well he is setting an ambitious goal for a non-hormonal path. Plus why screw around?

Increasing gh levels, increasing natty test, increasing igf levels (in addition to the raised gh levels), increasing satellite cell signaling, increasing circulation and vascularity, increasing nitrogen retention, lowering estrogen, etc. These combined can do in the long term (and permanently I might add) what AAS can do in a shorter term (with less permanancy).

The cycle I have outlined could be done for probably $1400, which could be split up into $700 for 6 months x 2 which is pretty cheap IMO.

bb

[papapumpsd]

Originally Posted by babyblu

Well he is setting an ambitious goal for a non-hormonal path. Plus why screw around?

Increasing gh levels, increasing natty test, increasing igf levels (in addition to the raised gh levels), increasing satellite cell signaling, increasing circulation and vascularity, increasing nitrogen retention, lowering estrogen, etc. These combined can do in the long term (and permanently I might add) what AAS can do in a shorter term (with less permanancy).

The cycle I have outlined could be done for probably $1400, which could be split up into $700 for 6 months x 2 which is pretty cheap IMO.

bb

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