[dsade]

Originally Posted by neoborn

what is the name of this highly elite and enlightening book?

Reefer Madness.

[thesinner]

Originally Posted by dsade

Reefer Madness.

I thought that was an educational film......from like the 50's.

[dsade]

Originally Posted by thesinner

I thought that was an educational film......from like the 50's.

Aren't most films made from them book-thangs?

[bioman]

I think you guys are throwing around the term "addictive" a little too freely. The strongest term I would use for pot, or even steroid use for that matter, is "habit forming"...ie you like it so you use it often.

Addictive implies something like the rats on crack studies where they'll keep hitting the reward button instead of the food button until they die. Generally, people aren't harming themselves irrevocably with pot or AAS..or at least not in ways that are immediately discernable. If and when most pot or AAS users discover they are harming themselves badly in some way..they quit using. An addicted cigartte smoker often won't, an addicted crack user won't or can't et cetera.

I smoked pot for 9 years straight and never reached a point where
"I couldn't get through the day without it"...THAT's addiction.

[AM07]

Originally Posted by thesinner

I thought that was an educational film......from like the 50's.

Nope, it was a propaganda piece from the 1920s talking about the harmful effects of marijuana.

The movie claimed that when a black man is under the influence of marijuana, he will go on a rampage raping and killing white women

[Bionic]

Originally Posted by bioman

I think you guys are throwing around the term "addictive" a little too freely. The strongest term I would use for pot, or even steroid use for that matter, is "habit forming"...ie you like it so you use it often.

Coincidentally, I was just flipping the channels and came across a show where these celebrities are going through rehab and the Dr. specifically mentioned androgenic/anabolic steroids and marijuana as being addictive. I believe it was Dr. Drew Pinsky.

People often self-medicate whether it's for pain or depression or bi-polarism, etc. Next thing you know, you're a full-blown zombie. It's not always a matter of them having no self-control or whatever. There are real underlying medical conditions. Life is not often black and white or as simple as some of you have made it seem. If that's your deal, good on you but there is a whole world out there where it's just not so.

[AM07]

Originally Posted by Bionic

Coincidentally, I was just flipping the channels and came across a show where these celebrities are going through rehab and the Dr. specifically mentioned androgenic/anabolic steroids and marijuana as being addictive. I believe it was Dr. Drew Pinsky.

People often self-medicate whether it's for pain or depression or bi-polarism, etc. Next thing you know, you're a full-blown zombie. It's not always a matter of them having no self-control or whatever. There are real underlying medical conditions. Life is not often black and white or as simple as some of you have made it seem. If that's your deal, good on you but there is a whole world out there where it's just not so.

lol, you're talking about a show on VH1 that is in place for ENTERTAINMENT.

AAS and marijuana aren't physically addicting, but can definitely be psychologically addicting to a person with weak self-control.

I believe if anyone becomes addicted to anything and can't go without it, they are weak.

[Bionic]

So you are saying that you know more about the subject than someone that has earned the right to be called a Doctor? Drew Pinsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[IvyLeaguePump]

How does smoking pot affect working out, suppliments, etc?

My background is not in nutrition or health, so I have no idea about most of this kind of stuff (i guess thats why Im here!)

[Bionic]

It will definitely help w/your appetite! As far as contra-indications w/other supps, I couldn't say w/any certainty. I definitely wouldn't recommend you smoking BEFORE lifting. Oh and welcome!

[IvyLeaguePump]

Originally Posted by Bionic

It will definitely help w/your appetite! As far as contra-indications w/other supps, I couldn't say w/any certainty. I definitely wouldn't recommend you smoking BEFORE lifting. Oh and welcome!

Thanks! I'm sure I can learn a lot from you guys... there is definately a learning curve with regard to all the acronymes used for supplements here.

[BigVrunga]

Originally Posted by AM07

lol, you're talking about a show on VH1 that is in place for ENTERTAINMENT.

anabolic steroids and marijuana aren't physically addicting, but can definitely be psychologically addicting to a person with weak self-control.

I believe if anyone becomes addicted to anything and can't go without it, they are weak.

There are some compounds which can hardwire the brain to become dependant on it. Other's cause a dependance out of habitual use. I guess you could look at either as a form of addiction.

However, breaking those addictions, or being able to recognize you have a problem and get help, is about being a strong enough person to do so.

Sometimes even the strongest willed need support from others, but if someone lets an inanimate object control and ruin their life, then yes I would say that is definitely a weakness.

[BigVrunga]

Originally Posted by Bionic

It will definitely help w/your appetite! As far as contra-indications w/other supps, I couldn't say w/any certainty. I definitely wouldn't recommend you smoking BEFORE lifting. Oh and welcome!

I dont think marijuana would have an adverse effect combined with anything, although if you were on a lot of stims I could see it aggrevating anxiety in some cases. You also want to make sure you learn to fill the appetite with good foods, and not junk.

[MuscleGuyinNY]

Originally Posted by AM07

Nope, it was a propaganda piece from the 1920s talking about the harmful effects of marijuana.

The movie claimed that when a black man is under the influence of marijuana, he will go on a rampage raping and killing white women

The government released it.

[MuscleGuyinNY]

Here are some intertwined facts and citations from the book...

"The British government recently completed a study that showed marijuana using motorists are LESS LIKELY to get in car wrecks when they're high (source, "Reason" Nov. 2000). Why? The claming effects caused the drivers to drive more cautiously and less recklessly without causing a decrease in reaction times or judgement as seen with indentical studies using alcohol.

Second, there isn't an "astronomical" human toll from marijuana use. The real number of deaths that the government has linked directly to marijuana use? ZERO. That is not to say that marijuana can't cause deaths, just that it hasn't been shown that it does, in fact most researchers now agree that there is no way to overdose on marijuana.

Finally, "amotivational" syndrome is not causally linked with marijuana. This is a simple distortion of science to serve a poltical agenda: correlation does not equal causation and marijuana does not cause amotivational syndrome."

From Chapter 3, 'Marijuana and Addiction':

"Marijuana does not cause PHYSICAL [emphasis added] dependence." This is an important distinction: nictotine, caffeine, and alcohol ALL cause physical dependence.

What about psychological dependence? Physical dependence is the one that is the most dangerous. Anything can be "psychologically addictive." All that means is that people get "addicted" to the pleasure something brings. Sex is psychologically addictive, so are most things that make people feel pleasure in any amount. I once read about a man who got psychologically addicted to Advil tablets, yet in and of itself that's not a big deal, and he "quit" without any drug counselor's help. The real danger is from physical dependence: Drugs that cause it also have withdrawl symptoms because they change the make-up of neurotransmitters in the brain. Marijuana DOES NOT DO THAT."

"Tobacco smoke is much more harmful than marijuana smoke, but not for the reasons most people realize. Second, anyone who thinks there is nicotine in a joint needs their head examined, and finally all of this has been proven.

Tobacco smoke is bad, really bad. Everyone knows this. It's the smoke that kills, not the nicotine. But tobacco smoke kills only because smokers must inhale such a high amount to get a decent level of nicotine into their bloodstream. Marijuana "joints" deliver much more active ingredient per unit of smoke than tobacco by FAR. Most smokers smoke a pack a day or more, yet the average marijuana user may smoke a couple of joints a week. This is because nicotine causes physical addiction, marijuana does not. The tobacco user inhales an ever increasing level of smoke to get that nicotine fix that was formerly delivered with less, the marijuana user does not need to do this."

"Also, studies of heavy tobacco users who also use marijuana show no "superadditive" effect: if marijuana smoke was as bad as tobacco smoke than it should've been obvious in people who used both, because that way scientists would be able to get around the fact that many people don't need to smoke that much marijuana to get high. The studies showed that there was no superadditive effect and that marijuana does not obstruct the lung's small airways and cannot be linked to lung cancer or emphysema even in heavy chronic users.

Marijuana smokers inhale less over time than tobacco users, so they experience less lung damage. But let's be clear: any smoke burns when you inhale, thus that probably means it's not as good for you as not inhaling it. And marijuana smoke contains lung irritants, just like tobacco smoke does. The honest truth? Marijuana has not been linked to the problems that tobacoo has been, but that is not proof that it is safe to smoke it, it just may be safer than tobacco."



The above is all stated from a very unbiased approach. I'll post more later.