[AM07]

Originally Posted by Dadof2

The system is broken, and money broke it. Ron Paul was our best chance to start fixing it. But there are just too many sheeple walking around who vote for who the tv/radio tells them to vote for.

Spoken like a man that knows the fallacies of the extremely corrupt political system in this country.

[BigVrunga]

Sounds good on paper, but where are the cancer wards full of potheads? Various cannibinoids also act as strong anti-cancer agents in the body by inducing or modulating aptosis..the second step after mutation that gets the cancer process rolling.

That's true - although Marijuana smoke does contain more tar than the average cigarette, I've read the cancer-causing effects of tobacco smoke are more due to the chemicals that are added to cigarrettes when they're made, not so much from the tobacco leaf itself.

While it's never a good idea to inhale burnt plant matter, there are other ways to use the plant without incurring the health risks associated with smoking.

BV

[Dr Packenwood]

If they ever do 'decriminalize' anything, they should do it based on the impact on society the particular substance has.

I've known all walks of life and have known plenty of people that use/abuse recreational drugs.

There is no across the board answer however, but a majority could be considered.

i.e. I've known tons of pot smokers. About 50% were lazy bums, the other 50% were brilliant. Perhaps it wasn't the plant that made them who they are, but rather they were either lazy or brilliant the whole time.

I've also known a few heroin users. Can't say any of them ever had a job, or any type of acceptable way of life, unless living in a gutter or an abandoned house is acceptable.

I've only ever known 1 meth user that made it out with all their teeth, but I've seen the results on the quality of life with the users. Its not pretty.

Discuss.

[jminis]

Originally Posted by Alexander

I might be missing something, but most pot smokers don't smoke 20 joints a day.

I would actually like to meet someone who smokes 20 joints a day, LOL. What they were getting at is the everyday pot smoker. I know plenty of people that smoke almost half the day (basically after work). As for wards of cancer ridden pot smokers, no way to seperate that group. Most pot smokers I know smoke cigarettes as well, not all but I would easily say 80%. Also because of it's illegal status most people will smoke a lot more when their younger but as they get older they grow out of it or lose interest for family reasons or whatever.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by jminis

I would actually like to meet someone who smokes 20 joints a day, LOL. What they were getting at is the everyday pot smoker. I know plenty of people that smoke almost half the day (basically after work). As for wards of cancer ridden pot smokers, no way to seperate that group. Most pot smokers I know smoke cigarettes as well, not all but I would easily say 80%. Also because of it's illegal status most people will smoke a lot more when their younger but as they get older they grow out of it or lose interest for family reasons or whatever.

I know a few in the 10 joint a day range, they are not human. Very true about most pot smokers usually being cigarette smokers, 80% sounds about right.

[manifesto]

Originally Posted by Alexander

I know a few in the 10 joint a day range, they are not human. Very true about most pot smokers usually being cigarette smokers, 80% sounds about right.

None of the pot smokers that I know smoke cigarettes.

[Irish Cannon]

I don't mind when people smoke occasionally. I sometimes do it myself, but people that base their lives around it are pathetic wastes of space.

It would definitely boost our GDP if MJ was legal. The tobacco companies already have their foot in the door. It would be so easy for them. The only problem is the negative effect it has on driving. If people were able to get it at any gas station, and smoke a joint on the road, it would be an enormous hazard.

[neoborn]

Originally Posted by Irish Cannon

, and smoke a joint on the road, it would be an enormous hazard.

If you call people driving wayyyyyyyy under the speed limit a hazard then yes

It's nothing like DUI, not even close but reaction times etc are affected yes.

[MuscleGuyinNY]

I support the decriminalization of marijuana smokers and the legalization of marijuana.

I'll state right now that I smoke marijuana. I haven't during the past few months because I've been on probation, but I will definitely be lighting up once I get off probation. I would occasionally smoke once in a while. It wasn't a daily part of my routine. I'd usually smoke a little bit while out partying with my friends, or when I got done work, just to relax.

Getting marijuana legalized will be quite a task. The US government has spent billions and billions of dollars over the years on anti-drug propaganda.

I do not believe in the 'Gateway Theory.' I find it to be an excuse for drug addicts not to have to accept responsibility for allowing excessive drug use to consume their daily lives. It's not a theory. It's an excuse. Drug users just end up getting bored of the high (I don't know how they could) from marijuana, so they resort to actual lethal drugs to get a more severe, intense high. That, of course, will end up getting boring, too, and they'll resort further to even more lethal drugs from then on.

Legalizing marijuana would be rather simple. It'd take time and money, but it could work. They could go about the same process as they do with cigarettes. I'm almost positive that the legalization of marijuana would absolutely destroy the tobacco industry. State governments, as well as the federal government, could give out permits to qualified individuals, to farm and grow marijuana. They could then sell it and distribute it, but they would also have to place a tax on it, which the government would do, just like they do with cigarettes. Any individuals 18 years of age, or older, should be able to possess up to a certain amount of marijuana. It shouldn't be available to minors. The same restrictions that apply to cigarettes and alcohol, should apply to marijuana, if it were to be legalized.

Over half of the prison population in the US is because of individuals either growing, buying/selling, possessing, and/or smoking marijuana. A lot of these inmates also serve long sentences. They get locked up with rapists, child molestors, murderers, burglars, gang members, etc. It's ridiculous. Marijuana users are not criminals. Many people have committed crimes while being under the influence of acid, 'shrooms, LSD, ecstacy, cocaine, etc. How many marijuana smokers have committed crimes? None. Not to mention, our prisons are overcrowded with so many marijuana users, meanwhile real criminals, as I just previously mentioned, are walking the streets.

The 'harmful' effects of marijuana are way over-exaggerated. Marijuana actually does more 'good' than 'harm,' to your body. There are also many myths about marijuana. I actually have a book somewhere around here, which was written by doctors, scientists, and psychologists. It's all about the truth behind such myths made about marijuana. I'll look through it and then cite some of the pieces here.

[dsade]

If anything, that would keep money flowing into the legal system. Making something legal does NOT imply that it's ok to consume it anywhere.

Beer is legal, but you also cannot go down to the store, then pop a beer in your car and drive away.

Driving under the influence of pot would have to be defined (HOW stoned are they?), but would then be able to be classified, and penalities assigned.

[MuscleGuyinNY]

Originally Posted by Irish Cannon

I don't mind when people smoke occasionally. I sometimes do it myself, but people that base their lives around it are pathetic wastes of space.

It would definitely boost our GDP if MJ was legal. The tobacco companies already have their foot in the door. It would be so easy for them. The only problem is the negative effect it has on driving. If people were able to get it at any gas station, and smoke a joint on the road, it would be an enormous hazard.

Marijuana could be farmed and distributed like tobacco, but not sold like cigarettes. I think you'd have to purchase the marijuana from a medical organization, government agency, or a marijuana farmer.

Anyone caught driving under the influence of marijuana should be fined, but not arrested. They should be ticketed, fined, and not be able to drive until sobered up. All it does is delay reaction time. It doesn't make you speed or drive like a maniac.

[MuscleGuyinNY]

Originally Posted by dsade

If anything, that would keep money flowing into the legal system. Making something legal does NOT imply that it's ok to consume it anywhere.

Beer is legal, but you also cannot go down to the store, then pop a beer in your car and drive away.

Driving under the influence of pot would have to be defined (HOW stoned are they?), but would then be able to be classified, and penalities assigned.

I like that idea. The highest BAC here in New York is .08. Anything above that, you get slapped with a DWI. I'm sure that law enforcement and the government could find some way to measure exactly how much marijuana someone has smoked, if they're caught driving while under the influence.

[Polynomial]

Originally Posted by MuscleGuyinNY

I like that idea. The highest BAC here in New York is .08. Anything above that, you get slapped with a DWI. I'm sure that law enforcement and the government could find some way to measure exactly how much marijuana someone has smoked, if they're caught driving while under the influence.

Munchie scale - you start off by offering oatmeal raisin cookies, and work your way to double chocolate chip. The more they can resist, the less stoned they are.

[manifesto]

Originally Posted by Polynomial

Munchie scale - you start off by offering oatmeal raising cookies, and work your way to double chocolate chip. The more they can resist, the less stoned they are.

[MuscleGuyinNY]

Originally Posted by Polynomial

Munchie scale - you start off by offering oatmeal raisin cookies, and work your way to double chocolate chip. The more they can resist, the less stoned they are.

That's fcuking hilarious!

[AM07]

The only problem with the DUI situation is, what kind of test do you have to determine how high a person is when they're on the road? I think that's another reason as to why it won