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    Anyone here either own or have fired a Nagant revolver?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    I put my new C&R FFL to good use. Here's a great deal for you Mosin Nagant fans.

    http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...ne&groupid=254



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    Sad thing was about 2 years ago you could pull the Nagants for around $69-$79. Didn't have the C&R yet.

    Want a interesting rifle look into the Steyr Hungarian M95 8X56R rifles. They are a dream to shoot and yet a hella big bang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Anyone here either own or have fired a Nagant revolver?



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    Nope but really have been looking at getting one because of the price on them. I think Cabela is having a sale on them right now around me. The ammo isn't cheap tho and i'm not sure if it is reloadable.
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    What's the difference between some of the Nagants and ones that are "arsenally refinished"? Usually see those a bit cheaper. John, what would be best for my needs? (bastardizing it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by WarcraftJJS View Post
    Sad thing was about 2 years ago you could pull the Nagants for around $69-$79. Didn't have the C&R yet.

    Want a interesting rifle look into the Steyr Hungarian M95 8X56R rifles. They are a dream to shoot and yet a hella big bang.
    You can still find really good deals on Mosins, but they've definitely increased in price; especially the M38 and M44 carbines. AIM Surplus has them for $89.95 right now.

    I was looking at they Steyr M95's a few days ago. J&G sales has a good deal on them right now:

    http://www.jgsales.com/steyr-95-stut...t.-p-5795.html

    For $100 I just may have to jump on that. Have you found any place that has a good price and supply of the 8x56R ammo?



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    Quote Originally Posted by WarcraftJJS View Post
    Nope but really have been looking at getting one because of the price on them. I think Cabela is having a sale on them right now around me. The ammo isn't cheap tho and i'm not sure if it is reloadable.
    The price is great on them, but I've heard that anything but the surplus ammo for them is garbage and underpowered. I haven't seen anything on reloading for it, but I imagine you could. I'll have to research that.

    The ammo definitely isn't cheap; even for surplus. It's a pretty cool little revolver with a good history to it, though.



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    Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    What's the difference between some of the Nagants and ones that are "arsenally refinished"? Usually see those a bit cheaper. John, what would be best for my needs? (bastardizing it)
    Almost every one that you buy has been arsenally refinished to some degree. They are usually marked with a cartouche on the stock to signify that it has been. Sometimes they fixed or changed out the stocks; replaced parts and force matched the serial numbers; etc. Every once in a while you'll find one that wasn't. My Mosin Nagant M44 wasn't, and you can tell. It literally looks like a battlefield pick up (which I think it probably was), and then somehow emerged into the market as such. I'll have to post a pic of it. I absolutely LOVE the thing in the current condition. It shoots like a freakin' dream, too. When these were imported there is also an importer stamp that was usually applied to either the barrel or receiver of the rifle.

    I have some Mosin's that I play with gunsmithing and such; and others that I won't touch. It all depends really on the person and the history of the rifle to be honest. I have a book that I can look through to identify certain markings on the rifle. Some of them are more rare and unique, and those I keep as is to retain and respect the history. I have a few though that are very basic with no significant markings on them, so I decided to refinish and modify them a bit.

    Ultimately, it all comes down to what gives you the most enjoyment. There are some guys that will rip you for refinishing or modifying a Mosin, but in the end it's your rifle and you can do what you want with it. You can refinish these guns back to very good condition and still keep them original.

    You can't go wrong with a $100 rifle like the Mosin, Tim. They are fun as hell to shoot and the ammo is still very cheap. It's a great way to get into rifles as well and learn about the whole bolt action system. The most common variants are the M91/30, M44, M38, and the M91/59.

    The M91/30 was the standard infantry rifle in full size. The rifles that noted superb accuracy were marked (depending on the arsenal that made them) and became sniper rifles.

    The M38 is a carbine (meaning smaller version of the gun) that was issued to transporters, tankers, and artillery units.

    The M44 is also a carbine version, but it has an attached folding bayonet. They are freakin' awesome little guns. They were made after the battle of Stalingrad when the Russian's learned that they needed a smaller gun with a bayonet capability during the house to house fighting.

    You need a Mosin my friend.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1

    You can still find really good deals on Mosins, but they've definitely increased in price; especially the M38 and M44 carbines. AIM Surplus has them for $89.95 right now.

    I was looking at they Steyr M95's a few days ago. J&G sales has a good deal on them right now:

    http://www.jgsales.com/steyr-95-stut...t.-p-5795.html

    For $100 I just may have to jump on that. Have you found any place that has a good price and supply of the 8x56R ammo?

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    Aimsurplus.com has a good deal on New manufactured 8x56r ammo. Pivi brass.

    I got my steyr from www.southernohiogun.com. The M95 Steyr looked great. They only sell to Dealers and C&R Dealers. You will have to send your CR to them and they will make a login for you to see the prices.

    You can still get surplus ammo (corrosive) for the M95. It's around $20 for 10.

    And the new stuff is $20 for 20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-AD
    What's the difference between some of the Nagants and ones that are "arsenally refinished"? Usually see those a bit cheaper. John, what would be best for my needs? (bastardizing it)
    I know John answered you. But also you can really get any Nagant with a strait bolt and change it into a "turn bolt" with a kit, the kit also has a scope mount with the kit. So you can have a "Sniper M44" for cheaper then the real one. Plus you can do it your self.

    I know they also make new stocks for them too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WarcraftJJS View Post
    Aimsurplus.com has a good deal on New manufactured 8x56r ammo. Pivi brass.

    I got my steyr from www.southernohiogun.com. The M95 Steyr looked great. They only sell to Dealers and C&R Dealers. You will have to send your CR to them and they will make a login for you to see the prices.

    You can still get surplus ammo (corrosive) for the M95. It's around $20 for 10.

    And the new stuff is $20 for 20.
    I think I'm gonna pull the trigger on one of these. I like the straight pull on the bolt. Pretty cool it uses and enbloc clip as well. I guess when I finally get into reloading I can utilize it for the steyr as well. I love little carbines that are freakin' cannons, haha!

    This C&R is gonna get me in a lot of trouble with the wife...



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    Quote Originally Posted by WarcraftJJS View Post
    I know John answered you. But also you can really get any Nagant with a strait bolt and change it into a "turn bolt" with a kit, the kit also has a scope mount with the kit. So you can have a "Sniper M44" for cheaper then the real one. Plus you can do it your self.

    I know they also make new stocks for them too.
    There's a few different guys on ebay that will convert your bolt to the standard sniper length and angle. One guy will do it all weld, and they both have an option to drill, tap, steel epoxy, and drive a pin through it for extra strength. I've had work done by both of them and they came out awesome. I want to say it's about 25-30 bucks with shipping to get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    I think I'm gonna pull the trigger on one of these. I like the straight pull on the bolt. Pretty cool it uses and enbloc clip as well. I guess when I finally get into reloading I can utilize it for the steyr as well. I love little carbines that are freakin' cannons, haha!

    This C&R is gonna get me in a lot of trouble with the wife...



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    You can find the enbloc clips on Ebay too. Be sure to keep all your brass. If you do end up reloading you will be happier down the road. If not you can always sell the brass on different websites.

    I've bought 9mm Winchester one shot brass for 30/k shipped.

    Don't even know what the specialty brass would go for like the 8x56r, and the reloadable Russian brass.

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    Will have to look into the ebay guys to work on a turn bolt for a Mosin for me.

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    Tho my next CR gun will prob be a Walther P1/P38. I have always wanted one of those pistols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarcraftJJS View Post
    I know John answered you. But also you can really get any Nagant with a strait bolt and change it into a "turn bolt" with a kit, the kit also has a scope mount with the kit. So you can have a "Sniper M44" for cheaper then the real one. Plus you can do it your self.

    I know they also make new stocks for them too.
    Exactly what I plan to do with it. ATI makes stocks and the bolt kit for it. I'd probably opt to have someone do the bolt for me since I screw things up, but otherwise I just want to scope it, bipod, stock, and make a modern gun out of it. Sniper rifle on a budget!

    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    There's a few different guys on ebay that will convert your bolt to the standard sniper length and angle. One guy will do it all weld, and they both have an option to drill, tap, steel epoxy, and drive a pin through it for extra strength. I've had work done by both of them and they came out awesome. I want to say it's about 25-30 bucks with shipping to get it done.
    I'll definitely go this route and have someone else do it. I've seen a few guys already that do.


    Also, been doing a little thinking lately beyond the Nagant. I looked at an AR and didn't like it. I held a WASR 2 weeks ago and didn't really like it either. Maybe I'll skip that idea for now, but am toying with the idea of a .45. I know something pricey is out, as much as I'd like a Kimber or something. What other recommendations do you guys have? Springfield XD guns? Looking along those lines, me thinkst. Opinions welcome!
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    the xd .45 looks great like the best of Herr Glock and Mr Browning's ideas in one package

    an 870 question for you guys: assuming it is the standard mag size, are all 870's barrels replaceable from say a field length to a HD 18.5?

    They didnt make any crazy model changes over the years did they? fingers crossed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolanrox View Post
    the xd .45 looks great like the best of Herr Glock and Mr Browning's ideas in one package

    an 870 question for you guys: assuming it is the standard mag size, are all 870's barrels replaceable from say a field length to a HD 18.5?

    They didnt make any crazy model changes over the years did they? fingers crossed
    Not sure, but I think so. I remember looking around the gun shop a few weeks ago and laughing at a Rem870 barrell that was made by Mossberg! Definitely a good idea, though! The more purposes you can get out of one gun, the more justification to get said gun!



    As for the XD's, been reading up a bit. Definitely think I found one I like! http://www.the-m-factor.com/html/specs_8.html

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    Honestly - legality aside..all i have to do is ask and I am pretty sure my inlaws would just give me either the 870 or an Ithica 20 guage 37 Featherlight. Have to assume it is a short barrel because my Father in Law says he fires it one handed.. Great argument for my wife.. they are her family airlooms after all, they have to be passed down

    Need to read up on how one sells / transfers in NJ.. Some how I doubt I can get away with no crazy fee to the state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolanrox View Post
    Honestly - legality aside..all i have to do is ask and I am pretty sure my inlaws would just give me either the 870 or an Ithica 20 guage 37 Featherlight. Have to assume it is a short barrel because my Father in Law says he fires it one handed.. Great argument for my wife.. they are her family airlooms after all, they have to be passed down

    Need to read up on how one sells / transfers in NJ.. Some how I doubt I can get away with no crazy fee to the state.
    Which is funny because I was just talking to a buddy from Ohio on Saturday night about gun fees and whatnot. Apparently in OH, they don't register the guns. You just buy one, they don't track the numbers, and that's it from what I understood. Getting a carry permit, on the other hand, is the hard part. In PA, they do the fed check on you before you buy anything. All sales or trades done at a FFL dealer. The permit, as I said before, is as easy as walking into the local sheriff's office, filling out a form, and having a seat while they take your picture. It may be different from county to county, but where I'm at now, it's $30 for the first 5 years, then $20 renewal. Walk in, picture, walk out with photo ID carry permit card. Reminds me... gotta get mine renewed!
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    can i play along

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    Why hello there gentlemen.

    I am relatively new.... but picked up a Springfield XD 9mm subcompact for CC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruvian View Post
    Why hello there gentlemen.

    I am relatively new.... but picked up a Springfield XD 9mm subcompact for CC.

    Love this thing.
    great guns, what holster are going going to CCW with? if you ahvent picked one out look at CrossBreed holsters, ive got one for my FS 1911 and the wifes Glock30, the gun just disapers when i carry eather one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruvian View Post
    Why hello there gentlemen.

    I am relatively new.... but picked up a Springfield XD 9mm subcompact for CC.

    Love this thing.
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    any of you guys do the 2 gun or 3 gun comps?

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    Oh great... roid heads with firearms..

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    skeet / trap shooting seems like it will actually happen this fall finally..

    Next need a pistol so I can go target shooting with my inlaws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolanrox
    skeet / trap shooting seems like it will actually happen this fall finally..

    Next need a pistol so I can go inlaw shooting with my targets.
    Dude.. they cant be that bad. Skeets fun as hell. I should have my entire fall off so im sure ill end up busting some clays
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    nah quite the opposite actually. They are my best bet at getting my wife to say ok to the idea of a gun in the house ironically
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    Skeet should be a good deal over all, i its $10 for 25 rounds (gun rental included in the price), $6 for 25 targets and tip the machine guy. Fun way to spend the afternoon i think
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolanrox
    nah quite the opposite actually. They are my best bet at getting my wife to say ok to the idea of a gun in the house ironically
    Keep 'em! Lol. That doesn't seem bad to rent a shotgun and shoot clays. I think i pay around 7$ a round for skeet and i dont rent
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    honestly if i was going to go out and buy 25 target 12 gauge rounds (assuming i even could in this state with no firearms ID card) it would cost more than 10 bucks..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolanrox
    honestly if i was going to go out and buy 25 target 12 gauge rounds (assuming i even could in this state with no firearms ID card) it would cost more than 10 bucks..
    Jersey? I think it was 20-25 a pretty case (100) in ny. However i could be way off since i confuse numbers and memories since im constantly moving
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    reposting the same question for the new crowd.

    Assuming i do go for it - given my budget it will either be a Springfield XM .45 or a Baretta 92FS 9mm

    In terms of reliabilty they both seem to be pretty much the same. Mag capacity is close enough give or take 1 round i think?

    9mm would be cheaper ammo wise but for HD cheap doesnt really factor in. and I personaly like the Grip and trigger safety.

    So the question is for HD would 9mm be good enough? I know the big thing would be which fits better in the hand and which you would be more comfortable shooting. I know it would not be the same comparison to using Birdshot vs 00 buck for HD, but I am still on the fence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolanrox View Post
    reposting the same question for the new crowd.

    Assuming i do go for it - given my budget it will either be a Springfield XM .45 or a Baretta 92FS 9mm

    In terms of reliabilty they both seem to be pretty much the same. Mag capacity is close enough give or take 1 round i think?

    9mm would be cheaper ammo wise but for HD cheap doesnt really factor in. and I personaly like the Grip and trigger safety.

    So the question is for HD would 9mm be good enough? I know the big thing would be which fits better in the hand and which you would be more comfortable shooting. I know it would not be the same comparison to using Birdshot vs 00 buck for HD, but I am still on the fence.
    You may want to take a look at the SIG P250. (I use one for my bed room gun (Page 14)) They make the firearm so it is modular as in you can move the whole trigger control system into a different body and have your choice of a Fullsize, midsize, or compact size. And never sign for a new gun. Plus you can use the same trigger system for any size ammo. ei. 9mm, .357sig, .40, .45.

    (This Firearm is only shoot in DA, may be wierd the first time shot.)

    Because the only thing that has the serial number is the trigger control system. Not the frame of the firearm.

    P250-2SUM-detail-firecont.jpg

    This is a kit they sell with both the Full size and compact size. (Only one trigger control system)

    P250-2SUM-detail-Hero.jpg

    Here is the P250 Caliber X-Change Kits from SIG:
    http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/hig...e-kit-334.aspx

    Some more SIG P250 Picture Pron

    P250-FS-N-detail-hero.jpg
    P250-FS-N-detail-bty.jpg
    P250C-DP-detail-HERO.jpg
    250C-TB-Detail-Hero.jpg

    Company listing:
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    damn you, more choices now!

    What is the price point for a full size? is it in the same ballpark?
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    and unless i move out of state i doubt i would ever get a CCL so it would be for HD or target shooting max.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolanrox View Post
    damn you, more choices now!

    What is the price point for a full size? is it in the same ballpark?
    I bought mine at $360 out the door. But some are to the point of $450. Just depends on your gun store. Most of the time the price is the same for any caliber across the board.

    Here is the P250 Caliber X-Change Kits from SIG:
    http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/hig...e-kit-334.aspx

    Prob should have put that up sooner.
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    damn not bad at all thats a really good price to be sure!
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    [QUOTE=T-AD;3568434]Nice li'l collection there! Definitely diggin' the Kimber.


    Update on my shottie:

    Since business with Z-Cord has been booming lately, and there's a nice li'l sale going on at a local sporting goods store, I am FINALLY putting a sight on that Mossberg. It won't be a reflex like I had planned, but I think this will work out just as good if not better. TruGlo dual color red dot for $39.99. I'm heading down there tomorrow to get it. And sadly, I STILL have not shot that bastard!!! I think come hell or high water, I'm going to shoot it this weekend. I may have to strap it on and ride the bike somewhere, but I'll do it, dang it!!!


    thanks, but b4 you buy that trueglow checkout primaryarms.com and look at thier sights.....i had an aimpoint micro clone on my AK for about 6 months and its handled a class with about 1500rnds and another 3000rnds after that, it was about $70ish delivered
  

  
 

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