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    All this shotgun talk has me looking at them now . Any experience with the mossberg 590? That would be at the high end for me I think. Is it that much better than a 500? They both read to better pretty solid and reliable is the 590 just the milspec version?


    As much as I am fighting it a 12 gauge does make sense as a first purchase home defense for a novice.


    Now I just need to submit for my firearms Id card. Only $5 to apply but damn it's a 5+ month wait to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolanrox View Post

    Now I just need to submit for my firearms Id card. Only $5 to apply but damn it's a 5+ month wait to get it.

    5 months? what state do you live in? man that is a long time, and i thought the 5(ish) days was long enough here in Nebraska.
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    Nj. Lucky you can still get a license here. Heard rumors at least online you may even need an ammo card or something to even buy ammo.
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    Ummm... License to own a firearm? No, man. Unconstitutional. If anything, you may be thinking of a permit to carry a concealed weapon. Those are different. NO state, not even NY or CA can tell you that you need a permit to buy a firearm. If your federal background check goes through, then you can buy one and keep one at home. The permit means that you can carry it out in public places under a shirt, jacket, etc., and sometimes extends to carry in a car in certain fashions.

    Here in PA, things are a bit more lax than NJ. We are an open carry state, which means that I can stroll down the sidewalk with a pistol on my hip for all to see. If I put a shirt on over it, or tuck it in my pants, THEN I need a permit. Goofy how that works, no? lol I can also carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle in plain sight, too.

    For a shotgun, unless you plan on buying the pistol grip model that I just did.... YES!! I HAVE IT!!! WOOOO!!!!!!... then it's gonna be really hard to conceal it. Double check me on the local laws, but I'm really pretty sure that you don't need a permit to buy your shottie and keep it in the house for home defense!!


    As for your 500 vs 590 question, so far as I know, the 590 usually has more shot capacity. 500 is a 5+1 and the 590 is a 7+1. But, not always. I bought a 500 Cruiser which comes in either the 6 or 8 shot. I got the 8 shot, of course! I think the 590 has a metal trigger guard or something else, too. Not really sure what's the big difference. Just a slightly fancier model, maybe. Honestly, though, I'd say either is just fine. The military has been using Mossbergs and the Remington 870, from what I'm told, for many years. Both are "proven". Moss's are cheaper from what I've seen, and I like the placement of the safety up top (more visible, more deliberate to change it to 'fire') and the action release position. All in all, it comes down to personal taste, IMO.

    I'll have to get a pic of mine up here. Nothing too special so far, but it's the one in the picture I posted on the last page - basically, that is, since mine was still in the box so I'm the only one to handle it outside the factory. (Virgin!!!) I already installed a Tac Star 6-shot side saddle on it, and it's loaded with Mil-spec 00 Buck. 2 3/4" rounds. Was going to put the ZMax ammo in the saddle, but the mil-spec ones were darker brass and OD green. They look more bad azz for now. On the way, next pay day at the end of the month, I'll ditch that silly pistol grip.

    Oh, and I totally brought the shottie home on the bike. YES!!!
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    i triple checked it. even remember it from when i was looking years back.

    you have to fill out the app at the police station when the officer who handles them is on duty.

    they you have to submit for a permit when you are ready to buy. I really wish i was making it up..

    http://www.njsp.org/faq.html

    http://chiplakenews.org/wscnjfpIDcard.html
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    i am figuring you can go wrong with either. I did some more digging last night and the 500 is set up for easier barrel changes, and the 590 is set up for easier cleaning and what not.. when terms like solid racking and action lock, never jammed on people after pumping countless number of loads of diffrent shot, slugs, brands are in just about every review I feel pretty safe in relying on either.

    For the extra $160 or so, if i am going to do it, might as well do it right If anything I would upgrade the safety (if at all) and maybe go with the heat shield. Already comes with the stock of choice (not sure if the price is diffrent though) from the factory. Most likely would go with the standard stock unless the adjustible felt more comfortable.

    The one i was looking at online had the normal stock 7+1 capacity, and ghost ring sights. Came in around $460. I know sights on a shot gun is a bit un needed (and some people said it slows down the natural aiming using them.) But i am not sure if their was much if any of a price diff to opt out of them.

    One of these days I am going to stop at a shop on the way home and do some window shoppign and get a lowdown on the hoops i am going to need to jump through...
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    Sorry, one more question. was the side saddle much of an effort to install? Is it just a matter of screwing it on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolanrox View Post
    i triple checked it. even remember it from when i was looking years back.

    you have to fill out the app at the police station when the officer who handles them is on duty.

    they you have to submit for a permit when you are ready to buy. I really wish i was making it up..

    http://www.njsp.org/faq.html

    http://chiplakenews.org/wscnjfpIDcard.html
    Wow... That's just incredibly retarded!!!! I REALLY don't think that's legal to do!! Sad for you, bro. Move to PA!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bolanrox View Post
    i am figuring you can go wrong with either. I did some more digging last night and the 500 is set up for easier barrel changes, and the 590 is set up for easier cleaning and what not.. when terms like solid racking and action lock, never jammed on people after pumping countless number of loads of diffrent shot, slugs, brands are in just about every review I feel pretty safe in relying on either.

    For the extra $160 or so, if i am going to do it, might as well do it right If anything I would upgrade the safety (if at all) and maybe go with the heat shield. Already comes with the stock of choice (not sure if the price is diffrent though) from the factory. Most likely would go with the standard stock unless the adjustible felt more comfortable.

    The one i was looking at online had the normal stock 7+1 capacity, and ghost ring sights. Came in around $460. I know sights on a shot gun is a bit un needed (and some people said it slows down the natural aiming using them.) But i am not sure if their was much if any of a price diff to opt out of them.

    One of these days I am going to stop at a shop on the way home and do some window shoppign and get a lowdown on the hoops i am going to need to jump through...
    I hear ya on doing things right! With me, I wanted a solid base, and i got that. The only thing that mine doesn't have that I can't do without a barrel swap is have a breacher barrel. No choke on mine and can't have one. But it's not like I'm going to be blowing doors off anytime soon. It's just something that looked cool. I knew from the start that I was going to mod mine out. I have a tendency to do that to things I buy. Bike, cars, etc.. I spent minimum for what I needed, and I know for sure that I'll be throwing atleast the cost of the gun itself into the mods before I'm done! Stock - $80. Rail - $100. Saddle - $35. Flashlight & laser - $125+. Optics - $125+. That's just a few ideas off the top of my head.

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    Sorry, one more question. was the side saddle much of an effort to install? Is it just a matter of screwing it on?
    Dude, I SUCK at anything mechanical! If it's not pounding in a nail, I can mess it up, and I often mess up nails. This was really easy, though. Punch out the pin at the rear of the trigger mechanism, replace with a longer screw. Open action, remove screw right inside the chamber, replace with longer one. Screw/bolt on adapter plate. Place shell holder on plate, screw in 6 small screws, wham bam thank ya ma'am. The instructions on the package are easy, and when in doubt, YOUTUBE!!!! You wouldn't believe how many great tutorial vids there are on there!!!!

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    Seriously I want to get a license now before I can't later on. Still not sure if I need to get finger printed too, (from when i was looking to Substitute Teach back in college, i know that's at least $50)... Really I do not get how weird this state is, considering how lax it is in PA and NY. I could literally go to a garage sale in NY and buy a rifle or shotgun.

    I've (and my father for sure as well) done the get the cheapest thing that will get the job done route. and then end up spending as much money getting other things before I just cave and buy the expensive one anyways.

    Hogs are worse than guns or guitars or tools. Drop how ever much on the bike and then easily spend half of that or more chroming it. When my father got his, they had the "well that's already been chromed at the factory so tack that price onto the bill. Don't think any bikes in the stop were "bone stock" in that respect.


    Cool that it is that easy to put on! RE you tube, tell me about it. I learned to install a 2 switch light plate, and field strip a Glock in the same weekend thanks to it
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    what i should do is go out with my inlaws and do a little shooting at the shotgun range. I know they have at least 3?? and easily that many rifles. ony issue is a matter of how they were stored. I know all the rifles would need to be gone over fully before they were used. pretty sure at least one of the shotguns and good to go.

    need to ask them what model the pump is. Guessing either Mossy or Rem.. though i guess it could be a Winchester or Ithaca. I know they have had it for years..

    Fathers day trip to the Clay Pidgeon range could be nice. need to figure something out
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    Ummm... License to own a firearm? No, man. Unconstitutional. If anything, you may be thinking of a permit to carry a concealed weapon. Those are different. NO state, not even NY or CA can tell you that you need a permit to buy a firearm. If your federal background check goes through, then you can buy one and keep one at home. The permit means that you can carry it out in public places under a shirt, jacket, etc., and sometimes extends to carry in a car in certain fashions.

    Here in PA, things are a bit more lax than NJ. We are an open carry state, which means that I can stroll down the sidewalk with a pistol on my hip for all to see. If I put a shirt on over it, or tuck it in my pants, THEN I need a permit. Goofy how that works, no? lol I can also carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle in plain sight, too.

    For a shotgun, unless you plan on buying the pistol grip model that I just did.... YES!! I HAVE IT!!! WOOOO!!!!!!... then it's gonna be really hard to conceal it. Double check me on the local laws, but I'm really pretty sure that you don't need a permit to buy your shottie and keep it in the house for home defense!!

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    Brother your info is a little off.

    Illinois (Crap gun laws) We have to have a FOID card to buy guns, ammo, Powder, and primers (for the reloaders). And we have no CCW we are the last Fen state to have NO CCW. I hate this state. Glad I can carry out side of this state tho.

    Gun stores will not even allow you to handle a firearm with out a FOID card. It is not hard to get tho, 30 - 90 day wait and $15 to the state and you can then think about buying a firearm. (You even have to show the FOID card to get a BB gun at Walmart (I think the ones over 600FPS))
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    Quote Originally Posted by WarcraftJJS

    Brother you info is a little off.

    Illinois (Crap gun laws) We have to have a FOID card to buy guns, ammo, Powder, and primers (for the reloaders). And we have no CCW we are the last Fen state to have NO CCW. I hate this state. Glad I can carry out side of this state tho.

    Gun stores will not even allow you to handle a firearm with out a FOID card. It is not had to get tho 30 - 90 day wait and $15 to the state and you can then think about buying a firearm. (You even have to show the FOID card to get a BB gun at Walmart (I think the ones over 600FPS))
    this state blows.
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    a state than sucks more than jersey? unheard of! and while i consider myself pretty liberal. and not coming from a gun family, i really do not get it all, like any of it. hell you want a Ma deuce and can afford the ammo and pass the inspections and all that, have at it.


    It is like all of a sudden a 30 round mag, pistol grip, and flash suppressor will make a law abiding citizen public enemy #1.

    I'm pretty sure getting shot with a flintlock musket would leave you just as dead..

    i think i need to move to texas lol
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    Ohhhh and Don't even think of Suppressors, AOW, SBRs in Illinois. Can't have any of those fun toys too.
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    There are plenty of states with ****ty state gun laws. While they can't prevent you from owning a firearm (unless you're unlawful or a known felon), each individual state have specific gun laws and restrictions for their state. In the case of CCW permits, many states have reciprocity with each other and will observe your right to carry, however you still have to observe the specific state gun laws that are evident in the state in which you are lawfully carrying.

    There is a bill currently in the senate (which has already passed the house) that would allow a national reciprocity of a CCW permit holder in any of the 50 states; that means as a newly enacted federal law it would supersede state law forcing Illinois to comply. So hang tight guys, if this law passes it will get a little better in Illinois.

    At the current time, Illinois gun laws are absolutely awful. I don't blame you guys for hating the state. Pretty much most of the north east and California have some seriously bullsh*t gun laws/restrictions. The fact that some states won't allow hi-cap magazines, flash suppressors, or even adjustable stocks is just ridiculous. Thank god Florida is very lenient with their state gun laws and have very few (if any) restrictions. More and more states are now ratifying their own version of the "Castle Doctrine" and "Stand your Ground" laws that were first introduced here in Florida. I'm not going to get much into the whole Martin/Zimmerman case down here in Sanford, FL either. There is not a problem with the specific law that's in place, imo; problems however can arise in how it's interpreted combined with specific individual and situational factors. That's why we have a system of law though, so let them figure that all out in the court of law.

    Here's a good resource if you want to take a look at each individual state gun laws:

    http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-laws.aspx



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    Quote Originally Posted by WarcraftJJS View Post
    Ohhhh and Don't even think of Suppressors, AOW, SBRs in Illinois. Can't have any of those fun toys too.
    Yep, that is ridiculous. Down here we can either apply for a "trust" (which doesn't take long to get done) or apply for our "Class 3" firearms license to purchase suppressors or an automatic weapon. The truth is though, unless you're made of some serious cash, owning an automatic weapon is beyond pricey. The cost of blowing through all that ammo alone is astronomical.

    I was looking at a fully automatic M14 at one point...but the $14,000 price tag made me say....nah, I'll stick with my M1A. I am going to submit the paperwork for a "Trust" though because I want to buy a few suppressors down the line. They are more affordable and practical in comparison, imo.




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    Quote Originally Posted by WarcraftJJS View Post
    Brother your info is a little off.

    Illinois (Crap gun laws) We have to have a FOID card to buy guns, ammo, Powder, and primers (for the reloaders). And we have no CCW we are the last Fen state to have NO CCW. I hate this state. Glad I can carry out side of this state tho.

    Gun stores will not even allow you to handle a firearm with out a FOID card. It is not hard to get tho, 30 - 90 day wait and $15 to the state and you can then think about buying a firearm. (You even have to show the FOID card to get a BB gun at Walmart (I think the ones over 600FPS))
    Are you serious?!?!? Dang, man! That's a whole load of shyt right there! It's the state making you register to buy arms. To me, that looks hella unconstitutional. We have a right to bear arms - buy, own, use. I can see the background checks being universal for the good of public safety, but to actually have to have a permit just to buy something? No sir, I don't like it.
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    John, when you speak of reciprocity, what exactly do you mean? Reason I ask is that sometimes on a ride, I pack a pistol in my bike bag. We don't go out of state much, but if I wanted to travel out with the gun, would I legally be allowed to cross the border with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    Are you serious?!?!? Dang, man! That's a whole load of shyt right there! It's the state making you register to buy arms. To me, that looks hella unconstitutional. We have a right to bear arms - buy, own, use. I can see the background checks being universal for the good of public safety, but to actually have to have a permit just to buy something? No sir, I don't like it.
    Technically they're not preventing you from owning one (unless you're a felon); but more or less making you jump through hoops in order to do so. It's the bullsh*t state laws that really suck. Not every state is completely ridiculous like that, though.

    Support the NRA, because they're the only ones looking out to preserve the second amendment at this point anymore. Our government seems to want us all disarmed and rely on them for "protection" these days...

    Fukc that! The whole premise of the second amendment is/was to prevent the presentation and oppression of a tyrannical government. Or in other words, BE FREE!




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    which all the hoops they have us jumping through its liekt hey want to weed out anyone who's not 100% serious.

    its one thing to walk into a store do the background check and walk out with a gun (or the 5 day wait or what ever) but you really have to be serious to apply for a permit (to say its ok to get a permit to buy ) wait 5 months, then have to apply for a permit to buy and how ever long that takes to get back and only have a few week window to buy one before it expires....
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    John, when you speak of reciprocity, what exactly do you mean? Reason I ask is that sometimes on a ride, I pack a pistol in my bike bag. We don't go out of state much, but if I wanted to travel out with the gun, would I legally be allowed to cross the border with it?
    It basically means that another state will observe your CCW permit as a right to lawfully carry within their state borders. Check out that link I posted above. You can click on your state and see where your CCW permit will be honored.

    It's a bit different if you're carrying on your person vs. in your car, so I would check out the state laws before venturing there to be 100% sure. I would absolutely invest in your CCW permit if you don't currently have one, Tim. It will save a lot of potential heartache in the end.

    Check out this CCW organization as well:

    https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/membership/



    They provide a lot of information on specific carry laws, as well as legal protection in the event you ever have to use deadly force.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolanrox View Post
    which all the hoops they have us jumping through its liekt hey want to weed out anyone who's not 100% serious.

    its one thing to walk into a store do the background check and walk out with a gun (or the 5 day wait or what ever) but you really have to be serious to apply for a permit (to say its ok to get a permit to buy ) wait 5 months, then have to apply for a permit to buy and how ever long that takes to get back and only have a few week window to buy one before it expires....

    Correct. Anyway they can make it harder is going to dissuade someone on the fence about purchasing or investing in a firearm. The anti-gun crowd and media love it...

    I would love to see all these "anti-gunners" though when the world goes to sh*t and they have nothing to defend themselves or their families with. It's amazing how bad it can get when "society" collapses and true human nature and survival take over.

    But wait, that's right...the government will always "protect" you.


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    for a laugh:

    if you remember a few years back Rosie O'Donnell was attacking Tom Selic on his stance on guns... basically how he was the devil or something for supporting the NRA...

    then low and behold a few weeks ago her bodyguard applies for a Concelled carry permit.

    now she is saying that she doesnt like guns personally but she is ok with her bodyguards having them.. or something to that effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolanrox View Post
    for a laugh:

    if you remember a few years back Rosie O'Donnell was attacking Tom Selic on his stance on guns... basically how he was the devil or something for supporting the NRA...

    then low and behold a few weeks ago her bodyguard applies for a Concelled carry permit.

    now she is saying that she doesnt like guns personally but she is ok with her bodyguards having them.. or something to that effect.

    I can't stand her to begin with.

    What a hypocrite...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Correct. Anyway they can make it harder is going to dissuade someone on the fence about purchasing or investing in a firearm. The anti-gun crowd and media love it...

    I would love to see all these "anti-gunners" though when the world goes to sh*t and they have nothing to defend themselves or their families with. It's amazing how bad it can get when "society" collapses and true human nature and survival take over.

    But wait, that's right...the government will always "protect" you.


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    it is a terrible example but whoever said: you might be anti gun but when you are getting tied up with a telephone cord you change your tune pretty quick.


    I hope to never use it on anything living, hunting or otherwise... but push come to shove my family or some burgler you know who wins....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    I can't stand her to begin with.

    What a hypocrite...

    yup.. i find her to be an idiot in most things, but that really took the cake.
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    I also get a kick out of everyone who blasts the "zombie craze" that's infiltrated parts of society and the gun market over the last few years. I think it's been a very good way to demonstrate and engage the need for preparedness in the event of any type of disaster. Even the CDC bit on the market and used it to help disseminate the message to the general public.

    If it's that type of market that has helped some people wake up and begin to prepare just a little, than it's been a success. We've already witnessed many times in the recent past how unprepared this country has been during specific disasters...

    And...if it turns out that zombies do eventually take over the world, we'll hot damn!


    Has anybody read World War Z yet? I'm just interested to hear your opinions on it. I finished reading it last week and to be honest I wasn't nearly as impressed as I thought I would be.



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    The great thing is most states with a CCW Law in affect have also Reciprocity with other states. So you can carry in said other states as long as your issuing CCW state has a reciprocity with the other state you travel to. Being a resident in illinois I can't carry in my own state but I currently have a Utah and Florida CCW premit so I can carry in 31+ states.

    With the different websites already quoted most of use can get info on what laws we have to follow in different states.

    Here is one I use to get info too:
    http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_ca...city_maps.html


    The National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill (H.R. 882) will work to make all the different laws each state has alot easier to know by making all states that have a CCW law in affect all the same across the board. No state will have different laws concerning IE: how to carry your firearm in a car, bike, where you can carry, etc.

    Bad problem with the Bill it only works if the state has a CCW law. Will not work to the benefit of Illinois.

    Here is a little more info:
    http://www.usacarry.com/national-rig...ced-us-senate/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolanrox View Post
    it is a terrible example but whoever said: you might be anti gun but when you are getting tied up with a telephone cord you change your tune pretty quick.


    I hope to never use it on anything living, hunting or otherwise... but push come to shove my family or some burgler you know who wins....

    It's true, though.

    I hope to god that I'm never put in that situation myself, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to do everything I can to protect my family from unknown dangers. I'd rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.

    I think "The Walking Dead" does a damn good job in demonstrating how things quickly change when there is no rule of law anymore. Humanity isn't as nice as most people like to think; especially when desperation sets in.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    It's true, though.

    I hope to god that I'm never put in that situation myself, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to do everything I can to protect my family from unknown dangers. I'd rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.

    I think "The Walking Dead" does a damn good job in demonstrating how things quickly change when there is no rule of law anymore. Humanity isn't as nice as most people like to think; especially when desperation sets in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarcraftJJS View Post
    The great thing is most states with a CCW Law in affect have also Reciprocity with other states. So you can carry in said other states as long as your issuing CCW state has a reciprocity with the other state you travel to. Being a resident in illinois I can't carry in my own state but I currently have a Utah and Florida CCW premit so I can carry in 31+ states.

    With the different websites already quoted most of use can get info on what laws we have to follow in different states.

    Here is one I use to get info too:
    http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_ca...city_maps.html


    The National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill (H.R. 882) will work to make all the different laws each state has alot easier to know by making all states that have a CCW law in affect all the same across the board. No state will have different laws concerning IE: how to carry your firearm in a car, bike, where you can carry, etc.

    Bad problem with the Bill it only works if the state has a CCW law. Will not work to the benefit of Illinois.

    Here is a little more info:
    http://www.usacarry.com/national-rig...ced-us-senate/

    Ahh, I overlooked the part about already having a CCW permit law already in place. That's crap.

    It will not set a universal federal standard for the 49 states that officially have their own state laws in regard to their CCW laws, though. All specific state laws would remain uninfringed. So if you did carry in a different state you'll still have to observed their specific state laws that are in effect.

    http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/166059...t-to-carry-law

    I have a feeling though if it does pass that the next step would be to pressure Illinois into compliance with the rest of the country. If anything, I would expect the NRA to back that fight.

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    Oh I was under the impression that it would set a universal federal standard for all CCW states. Illinois just missed CCW law last year by I think it was 7 votes. I'm hoping this year is the year.
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    WANTED: Place to buy ammo online, preferably discounted or surplus.


    John-John - Any particular types of ammo to avoid? I see a lot of import stuff out there that's a lot cheaper in price than the typical Hornady, Winchester, Remington, Federal, et al. How about brands like Fiocchi, Wolf, etc? Low on 9mm rounds, but am currently looking to stock up for the shottie.


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    Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    WANTED: Place to buy ammo online, preferably discounted or surplus.


    John-John - Any particular types of ammo to avoid? I see a lot of import stuff out there that's a lot cheaper in price than the typical Hornady, Winchester, Remington, Federal, et al. How about brands like Fiocchi, Wolf, etc? Low on 9mm rounds, but am currently looking to stock up for the shottie.


    For others, a few links for some stuffs:

    www.cheaperthandirt.com - ammo, guns, gear, and just about anything/everything.
    www.sportsmansguide.com - decent selection of all stuff, decent prices, some mil surplus.
    www.gunbroker.com - Ebay style auction site
    www.armslist.com - Craigslist style gun site

    Also, for anyone who has friended either John or myself on FB, there's a ton of pages on our "like" list for shooting sports info, products, etc..
    This is actually a very good topic to discuss, Tim. Different types of ammo and the main differences/arguments between brass vs. steel casings.

    I'll post up some good info on this when I get back home later my man.




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    in terms of range time how do you guys feel about the Remington Gun Club 12 gauge shells? They are marketed as a lower price round which would be great when at the range? (priced i think at around $6.20 for 25 rounds) Any issues with jams or fail to fires from them?

    I would go for a better round for at home (which seem to be more like $10 for a few rounds), but no sense wasting unneeded money on something better for hitting clay pigeons or targets if it could be helped
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    I don't see any problem with it, but maybe someone else might for whatever reason. Remington is reputable, never had problems with their ammo before. Price looks decent, too. $6.99 @ midwayusa.com for 25 isn't bad at all. Much better than the "bargain" Mil-Spec buckshot I bought. $5 on sale for 5 rds.
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    when i first saw the Hornady rounds going for $12 for 5 my jaw nearly hit the floor. didnt think they were all THAT expensive.
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    I ama Taurus guy, seeing as I own 4 of them. Haven't had any trouble. If a guy in a gun shop bashes on them, go somewhere else. I have a 327 federal magnum snubbie, a mil pro PT145, a 24/7 OSS 9mm, and a Taurus TCP. 380. I had to send the tcp back for a problem loading, but a 10 day door to door trip fixed it up. Their CS has gotten much better. And if anyone busts on you for owning a Taurus, if they never owned one or s'not one, tell them to pound sand.

    Check out Taurusarmed.net to learn about their true quality.

    I would rather own multiple quality guns that are affordable, then sink my savings into one. The most I payed is$350. And add a Bersa thunder 22 to my list. Bought that for my wife.

    Btw, the same goes for those that bash on keltec. They are good affordable guns. Ask George Zimmerman how he liked his keltec 9mm. His is a verified 1 shot stopper.
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    I was on the fence about going after work, but it turns out I have to stop at some outdoors stores tonight anyways for a hand pump, so I will be checking out the local selections and at the very least get an idea of price.
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    they might even let me hold one. though i am not sure if they can becuase i do not yet have a card that says i can then am allowed to apply for a permit to you know actually buy something...


    they should make getting a drivers licence this hard...
  

  
 

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