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    keep an eye out for 308 at that kinda prices for me ****s expensive. I'm ready to buy a reloading setup as soon as I have the spare money. By the looks of it, it would pay itself back in maybe 3 trips to the range. I had that same thing happen though at Midway, multiple times. Get the email, click the link inside of the same minute that it shows them sending it, already sold out.

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    Economic collapse = Riots and Plundering
    Economic collapse + guns + politicians with no accountability for their actions = Mobs of Americans throwing a beating on Big Brother

    We keep printing money and we collapse the dollar; we stop printing money and we collapse the dollar. - Either way it's coming.
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    It's a shame that the ammo is being bought up and that they're gearing up for war. Funny thing is, I truly believe that when the orders are given (not IF, mind you), those who do the duty will remember the oath, not the orders. They'll be overthrowing themselves. Fingers crossed, anyway...

    My main source for ammo is still good ol' Walmart. I don't buy much, don't get to shoot much anyway, and will nab a box whenever I can find it. Still glad that I ditched my 9mm last year for the 45, cause atleast I can find that every now and again. I don't understand why .22 is gone, though. What possible need would the gov't have for .22??? And it looks like even basic shotgun target load is disappearing. Pathetic!!!


    Switching gears, but question for you guys. An AR is out of my price range, and I don't really want one anyway. I had thought about getting an AK, but they've all but disappeared now, too. I know a place that had 3 SKS's in stock a little while back, and they're small enough to probably still have them. What's the lowdown on 'em??? Same caliber as the AK, I know it won't be terribly easy to find ammo, but thought it might be worth snagging one if I can. They're Yugo, still covered in goooooo and have the bayonets attached - basically right out of the crate guns. The lady had 3 of 'em for $450 each, which I think is a pretty dang good price, all things considered these days. I wanted to make a "fancy" gun out of it - strip the wood furniture off and go modern with it. Thoughts on SKS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    Switching gears, but question for you guys. An AR is out of my price range, and I don't really want one anyway. I had thought about getting an AK, but they've all but disappeared now, too. I know a place that had 3 SKS's in stock a little while back, and they're small enough to probably still have them. What's the lowdown on 'em??? Same caliber as the AK, I know it won't be terribly easy to find ammo, but thought it might be worth snagging one if I can. They're Yugo, still covered in goooooo and have the bayonets attached - basically right out of the crate guns. The lady had 3 of 'em for $450 each, which I think is a pretty dang good price, all things considered these days. I wanted to make a "fancy" gun out of it - strip the wood furniture off and go modern with it. Thoughts on SKS?
    Well, they are the poor man's AK for reference sake, last time I bought an SKS I paid $130 and thought it was too much... They are fairly reliable, come apart easily to clean. Best bet if you choose to buy one is to get the manuals, thoroughly disassemble every part that can be disassembled, degrease it all then relube + put back together. I've known people who use them for hunting as its a big enough caliber for a deer, and its a pretty sturdy gun. Christ, I wonder what my MAK90 and the 100 round drums would be worth in your neck of the woods if SKSs are going for that much. I saw the 75 round crappier drums selling for $250 last gun show here. Its insane out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    Economic collapse = Riots and Plundering
    Economic collapse + guns + politicians with no accountability for their actions = Mobs of Americans throwing a beating on Big Brother

    We keep printing money and we collapse the dollar; we stop printing money and we collapse the dollar. - Either way it's coming.
    Exactly. I just shake my head when I hear people say, "That will never happen." They either don't understand economics or they're just a moron in general. Largely, the media has done its job for big brother by trying to keep them in the dark all together, or redirecting their focus. Gun control will always be at the top of their agenda. The know they can't truly get what they want until they disarm the people; which will never happen without a fight.

    The more the economy sucks, the more reliant people become on them for survival...which is exactly what they want. We simply cannot keep spending like we do and increasing our national debt at an exponential rate. Our dollar devalues by the day. When the dam finally breaks, all these people that were depending on the government to take care of them like children are going to wish they had prepared for what was clearly written on the wall; because they're gonna be on their own.

    Desperate people will lead to riots, looting, pillage, murder, etc. Guns/ammo/food/water will be worth more than anything at that point. I'm always reminded by my old boyscout motto: "Always be prepared."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    Economic collapse = Riots and Plundering
    Economic collapse + guns + politicians with no accountability for their actions = Mobs of Americans throwing a beating on Big Brother

    We keep printing money and we collapse the dollar; we stop printing money and we collapse the dollar. - Either way it's coming.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Exactly. I just shake my head when I hear people say, "That will never happen." They either don't understand economics or they're just a moron in general. Largely, the media has done its job for big brother by trying to keep them in the dark all together, or redirecting their focus. Gun control will always be at the top of their agenda. The know they can't truly get what they want until they disarm the people; which will never happen without a fight.

    The more the economy sucks, the more reliant people become on them for survival...which is exactly what they want. We simply cannot keep spending like we do and increasing our national debt at an exponential rate. Our dollar devalues by the day. When the dam finally breaks, all these people that were depending on the government to take care of them like children are going to wish they had prepared for what was clearly written on the wall; because they're gonna be on their own.

    Desperate people will lead to riots, looting, pillage, murder, etc. Guns/ammo/food/water will be worth more than anything at that point. I'm always reminded by my old boyscout motto: "Always be prepared."
    Exactly why Im glad to be a country boy.
    Got a nice track of land w/ lots of good food plots, lots of game, and plenty of water.
    working on building a cabin out there now-gonna make a smoke-n-cure shack too
    With as much as I like guns, and have ammo and reload supplies stocked and piled, im not relying on them. Unfortunately ammo is a finite luxury that cannot be sustained...no matter how much you have saved.
    I am very skilled with a bow-I have 2 Compounds with LOTS of arrows. I also know how, and have made my own recurves and long/flat bows.
    Theres a few other aces that I have up my sleeve but you have to be able to adapt and thrive...not just survive.
    Survival is terminal, Thriving is winning.

    Hank was right...A country boy can survive....

    btw...not that it means a whole lot...but Im an Eagle Scout...just sayin...
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    forgetting the last 2 items on the list as irrelevant really... this is far more dangerous to us as a country than North Korea or Iran but we're ignoring it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    forgetting the last 2 items on the list as irrelevant really... this is far more dangerous to us as a country than North Korea or Iran but we're ignoring it.
    Im not ignoring it!! lol
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    We need to decrease the surplus population anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur View Post
    Exactly why Im glad to be a country boy.
    Got a nice track of land w/ lots of good food plots, lots of game, and plenty of water.
    working on building a cabin out there now-gonna make a smoke-n-cure shack too
    With as much as I like guns, and have ammo and reload supplies stocked and piled, im not relying on them. Unfortunately ammo is a finite luxury that cannot be sustained...no matter how much you have saved.
    I am very skilled with a bow-I have 2 Compounds with LOTS of arrows. I also know how, and have made my own recurves and long/flat bows.
    Theres a few other aces that I have up my sleeve but you have to be able to adapt and thrive...not just survive.
    Survival is terminal, Thriving is winning.

    Hank was right...A country boy can survive....

    btw...not that it means a whole lot...but Im an Eagle Scout...just sayin...
    I wish I had land somewhere like Tennessee (I'm a Gator though and HATE the Vols with a passion!) to build on and eventually make a nice shooting rage/bug out location. I just need to convince the wife...ha!

    I never was much into bows until the last year or so. I bought a Barnett "Jackal" crossbow to play around with. I'm looking to get more involved in it this year, though. You're right, ammo will eventually run dry at times, so you always have to have an alternate option to hunt/self defense. I've become pretty good at knife/axe throwing though.

    If anything, when **** finally does go bad my profession will really pay off. My wife and I are both nurses that have focused careers in emergency medicine. That type of profession/trade will be vital to a group and a huge bartering chip all around.

    Given the current direction of our country, I guess this is really what they meant when they said, "The south will rise again."

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    By the by, sharing here from FB... 2 of my "Operator" slings, single-point bungee. One in all black, one in multicam. The fabric covering the bungee is Kryptek Typhon 1000D cordura nylon. All plastic hardware is ITW Nexus, and an HK clip attachment point. If I've done my research right, and I think I have, this is the first "all paracord" single-point bungee sling out there. Nobody is using cord in the adjustable area, and if they are doing it, it isn't adjustable. Granted, it takes a wee bit more to adjust than webbing, but it's sturdy and won't budge once set. Novel? Yes. Practical? Yes. I'm having local SERT (Special Emergency Response Team) guys test it. (They're the same as SWAT.) Only complaint they had was the adjustment part, so I'll be doing a "hybrid" version in nylon webbing very soon for them. So far I've done 4 of them in the past 3 weeks. It takes about 8-10 hours to do one. I'm proud of my creation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    forgetting the last 2 items on the list as irrelevant really... this is far more dangerous to us as a country than North Korea or Iran but we're ignoring it.
    Kim Jong Fat has the worst haircut ever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    By the by, sharing here from FB... 2 of my "Operator" slings, single-point bungee. One in all black, one in multicam. The fabric covering the bungee is Kryptek Typhon 1000D cordura nylon. All plastic hardware is ITW Nexus, and an HK clip attachment point. If I've done my research right, and I think I have, this is the first "all paracord" single-point bungee sling out there. Nobody is using cord in the adjustable area, and if they are doing it, it isn't adjustable. Granted, it takes a wee bit more to adjust than webbing, but it's sturdy and won't budge once set. Novel? Yes. Practical? Yes. I'm having local SERT (Special Emergency Response Team) guys test it. (They're the same as SWAT.) Only complaint they had was the adjustment part, so I'll be doing a "hybrid" version in nylon webbing very soon for them. So far I've done 4 of them in the past 3 weeks. It takes about 8-10 hours to do one. I'm proud of my creation!

    Excellent work as always my friend. You've really made some nice stuff, Tim.

    Also, get an SKS if you can. That price is a little high ($350-400 is what I'd shoot for), but the market is nuts right now. They have been going up in price though over the last 5 years fairly consistently. They are fantastic guns that you can definitely modernize for a minimal cost. I'm doing that to the chinese SKS I own now; the Russian will stay in its stock condition, though. I'm using the Tapco Intrafuse stock that's cut-out for the bayonet with the Tapco 20 round mags. Pics to follow when it's done. They have a longer barrel and will be inherently more accurate than a run-of-the-mill AK-47.

    I may need a need a new paracord sling for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Excellent work as always my friend. You've really made some nice stuff, Tim.

    Also, get an SKS if you can. That price is a little high ($350-400 is what I'd shoot for), but the market is nuts right now. They have been going up in price though over the last 5 years fairly consistently. They are fantastic guns that you can definitely modernize for a minimal cost. I'm doing that to the chinese SKS I own now; the Russian will stay in its stock condition, though. I'm using the Tapco Intrafuse stock that's cut-out for the bayonet with the Tapco 20 round mags. Pics to follow when it's done. They have a longer barrel and will be inherently more accurate than a run-of-the-mill AK-47.

    I may need a need a new paracord sling for it.
    I'd probably go with an ATI stock on it if I do one. Toss up though. If I had the money, would I do an SKS with an ATI or the Nagant with the Archangel?!?!? Argh, so many decisions, so little funds!!! lol

    Oh, and you definitely need a few slings. Definitely. (so little funds... lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    Switching gears, but question for you guys. An AR is out of my price range, and I don't really want one anyway. I had thought about getting an AK, but they've all but disappeared now, too. I know a place that had 3 SKS's in stock a little while back, and they're small enough to probably still have them. What's the lowdown on 'em??? Same caliber as the AK, I know it won't be terribly easy to find ammo, but thought it might be worth snagging one if I can. They're Yugo, still covered in goooooo and have the bayonets attached - basically right out of the crate guns. The lady had 3 of 'em for $450 each, which I think is a pretty dang good price, all things considered these days. I wanted to make a "fancy" gun out of it - strip the wood furniture off and go modern with it. Thoughts on SKS?
    Hey Man SKS are fun guns ( I have two) also Mosin Nagants are a fun bolt action rifle and you can find surplus ammo for cheep. If you want to go the way of an AK look for a Saiga. Itís modern, and easy to trick out plus you can usually pick the caliber you want to fire. If you want to go the rout of an AR find a tactical store that does the 80% complete lowers and build one your self its super easy and it cuts a lot of the cost down. I built mine 5.54 spec for $600. If it was available to buy in a store now it is easy a $1500 retail gun. Now though since the assault rifle bill has been dropped by congress supply should start to even with demand on all levels. If you can wait 6 months you will probably save a bit of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post

    Exactly. I just shake my head when I hear people say, "That will never happen." They either don't understand economics or they're just a moron in general. Largely, the media has done its job for big brother by trying to keep them in the dark all together, or redirecting their focus. Gun control will always be at the top of their agenda. The know they can't truly get what they want until they disarm the people; which will never happen without a fight.

    The more the economy sucks, the more reliant people become on them for survival...which is exactly what they want. We simply cannot keep spending like we do and increasing our national debt at an exponential rate. Our dollar devalues by the day. When the dam finally breaks, all these people that were depending on the government to take care of them like children are going to wish they had prepared for what was clearly written on the wall; because they're gonna be on their own.

    Desperate people will lead to riots, looting, pillage, murder, etc. Guns/ammo/food/water will be worth more than anything at that point. I'm always reminded by my old boyscout motto: "Always be prepared."
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    So I was looking into more Nagant things last night, watched a slew of vids on YT, read a ton of stuff. I'm thinking that I can take a run of the mill Nagant, dump another $500 into it and have a $650 gun that will shoot as good as a $650 gun. BUT.... it'll be a $650 gun that looks like a sniper-ish rifle and shoots ammo that I can readily get at a cost of $100 for 440 rds instead of a more modern caliber at a cost of $25-$30 for 20 rds.

    John... Here's what I'm thinking...

    M91 (~$150)
    Timney trigger ($100)
    Archangel stock (~$150)
    Rock Solid Industries scope mount (~$100)
    Bent bolt ($30)
    Scope (nothing too fancy)
    Bipod

    I was watching the vids on the Promag site yesterday where they shoot it in the new stock. Looks like they were getting a bit more than MOA with the patterns using an old sniper nagant. I could handle that. Best part is, aside from drilling/tapping for the scope mount, I can do the rest of it myself!
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    If ya havent bought your nagant or sks yet, might want to look around for one of these:

    mossberg mvp 223 w/scope, freefloat barrel, uses AR mags
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadBlocK View Post
    If ya havent bought your nagant or sks yet, might want to look around for one of these:mossberg mvp 223 w/scope, freefloat barrel, uses AR mags
    Its a very nice rifle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    So I was looking into more Nagant things last night, watched a slew of vids on YT, read a ton of stuff. I'm thinking that I can take a run of the mill Nagant, dump another $500 into it and have a $650 gun that will shoot as good as a $650 gun. BUT.... it'll be a $650 gun that looks like a sniper-ish rifle and shoots ammo that I can readily get at a cost of $100 for 440 rds instead of a more modern caliber at a cost of $25-$30 for 20 rds.

    John... Here's what I'm thinking...

    M91 (~$150)
    Timney trigger ($100)
    Archangel stock (~$150)
    Rock Solid Industries scope mount (~$100)
    Bent bolt ($30)
    Scope (nothing too fancy)
    Bipod

    I was watching the vids on the Promag site yesterday where they shoot it in the new stock. Looks like they were getting a bit more than MOA with the patterns using an old sniper nagant. I could handle that. Best part is, aside from drilling/tapping for the scope mount, I can do the rest of it myself!

    Are you talking about their new Nagant stock they have coming? or the old one?

    This is the new one with a mags.

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    This ginger about getting a new AR built....can't decide what caliber but Im thinking either. .458 socom or 50 beowulf

    And that's a sick set up. What are you planning on competing in??
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    3 gun eventually. waiting on that AR308 lower to get out of coating + delivered already. I was looking at the 458 socom for the next one, found the uppers pretty inexpensively. more likely i'll go with 300 aac though
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    3 gun eventually. waiting on that AR308 lower to get out of coating + delivered already. I was looking at the 458 socom for the next one, found the uppers pretty inexpensively. more likely i'll go with 300 aac though
    Why the 300??
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    because in florida I can get a silencer easy enough and the 300 seems nicer for that. I'm not really sure I like the 458 socom on top of a regular ar15 lower. if it was going on the dpms LR308 lower i'd feel better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    because in florida I can get a silencer easy enough and the 300 seems nicer for that. I'm not really sure I like the 458 socom on top of a regular ar15 lower. if it was going on the dpms LR308 lower i'd feel better.
    Gotcha. Yeah i shot an AR set up on a regular platform like that. I shot the 458 and the 50 beowulf right after the other and man...they're both soooo sweet and they just make your balls bigger lol. I lived both of then and can't make up my mind.

    Florida's gun laws are pretty nice. They're not quite as liberal as ms, la, or tx but there only about a half step behind. I think that's prolly cause you got places like Miami and Orlando that are full of ppl that ha e more money than sense
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    I still might just order one of the RRA 458 socom complete uppers, at least its not expensive. buying the ammo + reloading supplies would be though. I guess thats another plus of the 300
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I still might just order one of the RRA 458 socom complete uppers, at least its not expensive. buying the ammo + reloading supplies would be though. I guess thats another plus of the 300
    How much are .30 bullet going for now??
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    ok guys...so this next weekend im getting a new pistol...

    Im going with an xD or pxStorm of some sorts...shot both of them in 9, .40s&w, and .45...

    I cant make up my mind because theyre both soooo sweet and smooth...like there is nothing wrong with any of them in any aspect that i can find for a packing/plinking gun.

    obviously i would add after market sights and prolly a trigger job down the road but theyre both pretty sweet out of the box.


    soo whats yalls opinions?

    What caliber and what model and why??
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    Well, you gonna be shooting often? Practice, recreation or keeping it in a box?!?! .40 is gonna have a bit more snap cause of the dense gun powder and this can make for sloppy accuracy and stopping power. Personally, I'd spring the extra cash and bump up to a .45 cal and be more at ease with the specs you otherwise can't get with the .40z
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    .40 or .45, if you miss the boom should help take the fight out of 'em. If you don't miss, they won't have much left to fight with.

    If it were me, I'd look for something that can run +p ammo (i think th xd can). Cor-bon DPX is my fav. It's environmentally friendly
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    Im really leaning toward the .45 cause it seems like .45 ammo is still fairly easy to come by. i have a .40 and love it but its getting a pain to go out and shoot because you cant find target ammo anywhere. Sure i can go out and buy a box of doubletap JHPs, but im not about to go plink with that. lol

    accuracy and recoil arent an issue with me. a 9 feels just the same as a .44 mag in my hands. Thats something that ive never struggled with because like alot of yall i started shooting way young (prolly too young by most standards )

    I do like the idea of the extra stopping power that a .45 brings to the game though. Also I dont think .45s always have the colateral damage that can be problematic with the 9s and in some cases the .40s.

    I dunno...options, options options...

    basically im just gonna have to try and figure out what feels best inside my waist band or under my shoulder.
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    A well placed shot with a 9mm is just as effective for stopping power IMO.
    I just snagged 500 rounds of blasters for mine for under $150 thanks to Gunbot and I've even seen it trickling back into the local stores.
    I won't shoot anything that costs more than .75/round lol but that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    A well placed shot with a 9mm is just as effective for stopping power IMO.
    I just snagged 500 rounds of blasters for mine for under $150 thanks to Gunbot and I've even seen it trickling back into the local stores.
    I won't shoot anything that costs more than .75/round lol but that's just me.
    I couldnt agree more with that...but the problem is depending on the situation, that extra weight behind a .45 can go a looooong ways in bringing a situation to a hault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur View Post
    Im really leaning toward the .45 cause it seems like .45 ammo is still fairly easy to come by. i have a .40 and love it but its getting a pain to go out and shoot because you cant find target ammo anywhere. Sure i can go out and buy a box of doubletap JHPs, but im not about to go plink with that. lol

    accuracy and recoil arent an issue with me. a 9 feels just the same as a .44 mag in my hands. Thats something that ive never struggled with because like alot of yall i started shooting way young (prolly too young by most standards )

    I do like the idea of the extra stopping power that a .45 brings to the game though. Also I dont think .45s always have the colateral damage that can be problematic with the 9s and in some cases the .40s.

    I dunno...options, options options...

    basically im just gonna have to try and figure out what feels best inside my waist band or under my shoulder.
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    i'd go 45 or 10mm personally
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    The G20 10mm is next on my purchase list. The sled patrol in Greenland carries them to protect against polar bears.

    Only real drawback is the cost of ammo, but for personal defense, I don't mind giving someone $2-$3 worth of lead.
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    Go with the .45 hands-down. I had a PX4 Storm in .45 that I sold a few months ago to my dad. Great gun, but I needed the money to fund other gun projects. The PX4 is well balanced overall; on the negative, the magazines are pricey. The xD guns are very nice as well, so you really can't go wrong either way.

    I like the .40 cal round, but in all honesty, i'm not a huge fan of the "snappy" recoil it offers. If you look at all the ballistic reports reported by the police over the years, there really isn't a huge difference in the stopping power of the 9mm vs. .40 vs. .45. Personally, i don't buy into that data very much. There are just way too many variables that aren't being accounted for. There is no doubt in my mind that the .45 round has a vastly larger impact effect on vital organs and underlying vasculature.

    I've been an ER nurse for 12 years and have personally seen the effects of different calibers on the human body more times than I would have liked to. There is no comparison in terms of the damage the .45 cal round demonstrates on vital functions and compensatory mechanisms in my experience.

    Now having said that, I really want a .500 Smith and Wesson Magnum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Go with the .45 hands-down. I had a PX4 Storm in .45 that I sold a few months ago to my dad. Great gun, but I needed the money to fund other gun projects. The PX4 is well balanced overall; on the negative, the magazines are pricey. The xD guns are very nice as well, so you really can't go wrong either way.

    I like the .40 cal round, but in all honesty, i'm not a huge fan of the "snappy" recoil it offers. If you look at all the ballistic reports reported by the police over the years, there really isn't a huge difference in the stopping power of the 9mm vs. .40 vs. .45. Personally, i don't buy into that data very much. There are just way too many variables that aren't being accounted for. There is no doubt in my mind that the .45 round has a vastly larger impact effect on vital organs and underlying vasculature.

    I've been an ER nurse for 12 years and have personally seen the effects of different calibers on the human body more times than I would have liked to. There is no comparison in terms of the damage the .45 cal round demonstrates on vital functions and compensatory mechanisms in my experience.

    Now having said that, I really want a .500 Smith and Wesson Magnum.

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