POLICE STATE 2011: 6 year old girl groped then drug tested by TSA

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    have you ever been to jail?

    that pat-down was nothing...

    im not embarrased or mad, hes doing his job making sure *******s like me arent out getting high and terrorizing the public...


    people should feel blessed that our country is doing what it can to help keep its citizens safe...
    No never had been in prison but I know people. Im a law abiding citizen.

    Even with those prison pat-downs its amazing the arsenal of drugs that still get through anyways, isnt it?

    I feel blessed that my country (USA) is keeping us safe...but what I support is just good old fashioned police work.

    We should be supporting the police, pay them more, give them their resources, their funds, their benefits...and have good old fashioned police/detective work protecting us from crime/terrorism, not TSA and billionaires selling their toxic airport equipment. Sent the funds to the cops not rich people and TSA. The money is there, use it right.
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  2. I see nothing wrong with this at all. Im sure none of the TSA workers are "getting off" by patting a child down. Nobody has been caught using these precautions because the "terrorists" see what they are doing and have no way around it. Its a "damned if ya do, damned if ya dont" type deal. As stated above, if you dont like it, dont fly. People need to inform their children about current events and let them know about the times we are living in. I feel like these people are looking for an easy way to make some cash and this happens to be an easy target. I never knew they hire pedafiles in the TSA. Its news to me lol.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    No never had been in prison but I know people. Im a law abiding citizen.

    Even with those prison pat-downs its amazing the arsenal of drugs that still get through anyways, isnt it?

    I feel blessed that my country (USA) is keeping us safe...but what I support is just good old fashioned police work.

    We should be supporting the police, their resources, their funds, their benefits...and have good old fashioned police/detective work protecting us, not TSA and billionaires selling their toxic airport equipment. Sent the funds to the cops not rich people and TSA. The money is there, use it right.


    i agree with what your saying... there should probably be cops in the airport... WAIT... last time i was there there were dogs, ak47s men in army fatigue ect.... im pretty sure the govt is spending PLENTY of money preventing scum from ruining america any more....


    but i really could care less... if someone is making sure bombs arent getting on planes and killing innocent people/my family/anyone....im happy


    im the kind of person that would enjoy seeing people get all worked up over a pat down in an airport... thats entertainment...
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    i agree with what your saying... there should probably be cops in the airport... WAIT... last time i was there there were dogs, ak47s men in army fatigue ect.... im pretty sure the govt is spending PLENTY of money preventing scum from ruining america any more....


    but i really could care less... if someone is making sure bombs arent getting on planes and killing innocent people/my family/anyone....im happy


    im the kind of person that would enjoy seeing people get all worked up over a pat down in an airport... thats entertainment...
    1 question....do you have children?

    Quote Originally Posted by drinkyboy View Post
    I see nothing wrong with this at all. Im sure none of the TSA workers are "getting off" by patting a child down. Nobody has been caught using these precautions because the "terrorists" see what they are doing and have no way around it. Its a "damned if ya do, damned if ya dont" type deal. As stated above, if you dont like it, dont fly. People need to inform their children about current events and let them know about the times we are living in. I feel like these people are looking for an easy way to make some cash and this happens to be an easy target. I never knew they hire pedafiles in the TSA. Its news to me lol.
    TO be honest, I dont know if any are "getting off" however, the slightest chance that someone is tells me right away how wrong this is. Again, we have certain freedoms in this country, that to me should not be infringed upon. My personal, physical privacy is amongst them
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    Its a good quote, and bear in mind, our founding fathers revolted for what I might deem as less reprehensible crimes

  5. Quote Originally Posted by drinkyboy View Post
    I see nothing wrong with this at all. Im sure none of the TSA workers are "getting off" by patting a child down. Nobody has been caught using these precautions because the "terrorists" see what they are doing and have no way around it. Its a "damned if ya do, damned if ya dont" type deal. As stated above, if you dont like it, dont fly. People need to inform their children about current events and let them know about the times we are living in. I feel like these people are looking for an easy way to make some cash and this happens to be an easy target. I never knew they hire pedafiles in the TSA. Its news to me lol.
    Really? You are claiming that the full body scanners are a complete success after less than a year? I am PRETTY sure there was well over a year between 9-11 and the underwear bomber, so maybe it is a bit premature to call it a success. Any common idiot can sit down and find ways to penetrate that impenetrable security.

    As for who they hire... come on man. If you are a warm body they will hire you, I do believe you have gone through a security check point and see they are not the cream of society correct? It was just two weeks ago here in missouri that a grade school teacher was secretly video taping the young girls in he class from a low angle... unless you are implying they knowingly hire pedofiles!?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Its a good quote, and bear in mind, our founding fathers revolted for what I might deem as less reprehensible crimes
    I like it but then I think we all need to decide if getting on an airplane is an essential liberty. TSA, while not ideal, is not preventing the general population from flying. It's just not as convenient as it used to be. There are other forms of travel available that can take you anywhere on this planet. It just takes longer and is less convenient. So, no, air travel is NOT an essential liberty.

    Then, we move on to what is or is not reasonable in a search. Based on the methods we have seen employed by terrorists and the fact that no US planes have been succesfully bombed or hijacked since 911, that might be prima facie evidence that at least some of what we have TSA doing IS working.

    Pedophiles and TSA related crimes aside, when you consider the potential for disaster, I have no issue at all with what TSA does. Just ask the families of the Pan Am 103 Lockerbie bombing victims, flight 93 in PA, or the other flights involved in 911 what they might consider unreasonable now.

    Do a Google search. Over the past 5 years, more priests and others from the groups I listed above have been arrested for theft, child molestation, and worse than the TSA. Yet, no one is yelling about that. Let's disband the Boy Scouts of America, ban altar boys in church, eliminate teachers, et al and all the evil incompetent organizations that hire pedophiles.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    Then, we move on to what is or is not reasonable in a search. Based on the methods we have seen employed by terrorists and the fact that no US planes have been succesfully bombed or hijacked since 911, that might be prima facie evidence that at least some of what we have TSA doing IS working.
    That is a logical fallacy considering the TSA security points have been breached how many times? TSA has been beaten time and time again. Just that the people are either idiots in their plot, or the people stopped them.

    So then, how many time before 9-11 without all these unnecessary checks?

    Read some Bruce Schneier and then come back and tell me how the TSA is making us safer.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    That is a logical fallacy considering the TSA security points have been breached how many times? TSA has been beaten time and time again. Just that the people are either idiots in their plot, or the people stopped them.

    So then, how many time before 9-11 without all these unnecessary checks?

    Read some Bruce Schneier and then come back and tell me how the TSA is making us safer.
    That's why I qualified my statement with the word "some" of what TSA is doing. So, no, it's not a fallacy.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    That's why I qualified my statement with the word "some" of what TSA is doing. So, no, it's not a fallacy.
    Beyond Fear.. that was the book I was thinking of.. check it out.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Beyond Fear.. that was the book I was thinking of.. check it out.
    I'll add it to my reading list. Ironically, I buy a book to read every time I fly so I may read it on 1 of my 2 upcoming trips. And, one of these days, I'll take time to type up how I breeched TSA security last year
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    1 question....do you have children?


    no, but if i had kids, would you trust that i not strap a bomb to him to get back at the system????

    i have a few felony convictions... have u ever heard of people going for revenge after they got themselves fired at work???

    the purpose of having these "pat downs" is to prevent bad sht from going down...


    you can have pat downs, (which suck)

    or you can have people sh*t up, (which sucks wayyyy worse...)


    having someone pat you, or your kid down... is the lesser of the two evils


    thats not to say i wouldnt be mad if someone searched my kid....

    i once cursed off a police officer for searching my girls purse.... (that didnt turn out so well)
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    no, but if i had kids, would you trust that i not strap a bomb to him to get back at the system????

    i have a few felony convictions... have u ever heard of people going for revenge after they got themselves fired at work???

    the purpose of having these "pat downs" is to prevent bad sht from going down...


    you can have pat downs, (which suck)

    or you can have people sh*t up, (which sucks wayyyy worse...)


    having someone pat you, or your kid down... is the lesser of the two evils


    thats not to say i wouldnt be mad if someone searched my kid....

    i once cursed off a police officer for searching my girls purse.... (that didnt turn out so well)
    I do understand where you are coming from, but I respectfully disagree. At the end of the day, a pat down of a 6 year old (where her parents were advised that the TSA agent was going to use the back of her hand on her "sensitive parts") to me is over the top. As I said, my daughter is 8, and anyone going down that road, I assure you will lead to no good

    Outside of that, things with all of these TSA rules and regulations have proven to not be as effective as intended. With that said, it seems to make them a tad pointless imo.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I do understand where you are coming from, but I respectfully disagree. At the end of the day, a pat down of a 6 year old (where her parents were advised that the TSA agent was going to use the back of her hand on her "sensitive parts") to me is over the top. As I said, my daughter is 8, and anyone going down that road, I assure you will lead to no good

    Outside of that, things with all of these TSA rules and regulations have proven to not be as effective as intended. With that said, it seems to make them a tad pointless imo.
    As a father and increasingly frequent flyer, I have to respectfully disagree. ALL PEOPLE getting on a plane should be subject to the same searches. Those searches should be thorough enough to determine that there is no bomb strapped to anyone; 30 yo men, 97yo grandmothers, 3yo kids.....EVERYONE.

    I'm sorry but it seems like people just can't get over the pedophile angle here. A few bad apples in the barrel does not mean that the TSA is 100% ineffective.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    I'm sorry but it seems like people just can't get over the pedophile angle here. A few bad apples in the barrel does not mean that the TSA is 100% ineffective.
    No, their history of missing things going through their "Checkpoints" is what shows they are ineffective.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    No, their history of missing things going through their "Checkpoints" is what shows they are ineffective.
    100% ineffective?
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    As a father and increasingly frequent flyer, I have to respectfully disagree. ALL PEOPLE getting on a plane should be subject to the same searches. Those searches should be thorough enough to determine that there is no bomb strapped to anyone; 30 yo men, 97yo grandmothers, 3yo kids.....EVERYONE.

    I'm sorry but it seems like people just can't get over the pedophile angle here. A few bad apples in the barrel does not mean that the TSA is 100% ineffective.
    I understand, but I will say I think the pedophilia issue is just a part. You yourself said that you have beaten TSA screening before, thus proving a sense of ineffectiveness.

    Again, my biggest issue is that once again we continue to lose freedoms. I am not talking about flying (I agree with your previous post on this) but I do have the freedom to my personal physical space

  17. What the hell happened to those machines that blew a wind on you that were supposed to detect explosives? I remember back on 05 I went though one of those. Dont know their safety data...but I was not ethically offended at least.

    On another note...Israel doesnt subject their passengers to offensive pat downs and naked body checks and they get terrorism all the time. Havent seen any issues on their airplanes either.

    They do interview techniques.

    In China...even they dont make me go through unreasonable pat-downs or naked body scanners, and they pretty much are a police state.
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  18. Ron Paul to TSA: Enough is Enough!

    Ron Paul is the man...he says it just the way it is. I like how he brings up how the pilot has a gun in the cokpit, but the TSA still has to put their hands down their underwear. Besides, all the pilot has to do is turn the steering wheel.

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    Ron Paul introduced legislation to protect Americans from physical and emotional abuse by federal Transportation Security Administration (TSA) employees conducting screenings at the nation's airports.
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  19. Be careful how much "Safety" we demand from our government or allow it to impose on us. Complete freedom is anarchy, but complete control is totalitarianism. In the middle somewhere is the balance where we maintain our personal freedoms in relative safety. I for one, am willing to risk a little of the safety aspect not to risk my personal freedoms related to privacy. Once we lose or give up our freedom in the name of safety and security, we will not get it back.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Really? You are claiming that the full body scanners are a complete success after less than a year? I am PRETTY sure there was well over a year between 9-11 and the underwear bomber, so maybe it is a bit premature to call it a success. Any common idiot can sit down and find ways to penetrate that impenetrable security.

    As for who they hire... come on man. If you are a warm body they will hire you, I do believe you have gone through a security check point and see they are not the cream of society correct? It was just two weeks ago here in missouri that a grade school teacher was secretly video taping the young girls in he class from a low angle... unless you are implying they knowingly hire pedofiles!?
    First of all, he boarded the plane in Amsterdam. They dont just hire anybody...there are all kinds of background checks and im sure if they had some kind of sexual offense against a child on their recoed, they wouldnt hire them. Somebody posted that they ARE pedofiles so that was geared more towards THAT person. There is NO way of predicting someones future actions PERIOD! So for those saying there rights are being violated, what do you suggest they do? Let people come and go as they please? So they quit doing these security checks and the moment something goes wrong, everyone acts surprised. What do you expect? I am almost positive that ANY COMMON IDIOT CANNOT FIND A WAY TO PENETRATE THAT IMPENETRATABLE SECURITY! Nice try though. I too enjoy my freedom, thats why I WILL let them grab me wherever they please, as long as I get from point A to point B in one piece.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by drinkyboy View Post
    First of all, he boarded the plane in Amsterdam. They dont just hire anybody...there are all kinds of background checks and im sure if they had some kind of sexual offense against a child on their recoed, they wouldnt hire them. Somebody posted that they ARE pedofiles so that was geared more towards THAT person. There is NO way of predicting someones future actions PERIOD! So for those saying there rights are being violated, what do you suggest they do? Let people come and go as they please? So they quit doing these security checks and the moment something goes wrong, everyone acts surprised. What do you expect? I am almost positive that ANY COMMON IDIOT CANNOT FIND A WAY TO PENETRATE THAT IMPENETRATABLE SECURITY! Nice try though. I too enjoy my freedom, thats why I WILL let them grab me wherever they please, as long as I get from point A to point B in one piece.
    There you go... you just found a way to penetrate that security... board in another country, TSA just became useless and you weren't even thinking about it, thanks for making my point for me.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by hackos123 View Post
    Be careful how much "Safety" we demand from our government or allow it to impose on us. Complete freedom is anarchy, but complete control is totalitarianism. In the middle somewhere is the balance where we maintain our personal freedoms in relative safety. I for one, am willing to risk a little of the safety aspect not to risk my personal freedoms related to privacy. Once we lose or give up our freedom in the name of safety and security, we will not get it back.
    Take it somewhere else, that logic doesn't seem to sit well here.

    How long exactly before 911? And what type of "Security" controls were there back then?

    But yeah... we are much safer now.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by drinkyboy View Post
    First of all, he boarded the plane in Amsterdam. They dont just hire anybody...there are all kinds of background checks and im sure if they had some kind of sexual offense against a child on their recoed, they wouldnt hire them. Somebody posted that they ARE pedofiles so that was geared more towards THAT person. There is NO way of predicting someones future actions PERIOD! So for those saying there rights are being violated, what do you suggest they do? Let people come and go as they please? So they quit doing these security checks and the moment something goes wrong, everyone acts surprised. What do you expect? I am almost positive that ANY COMMON IDIOT CANNOT FIND A WAY TO PENETRATE THAT IMPENETRATABLE SECURITY! Nice try though. I too enjoy my freedom, thats why I WILL let them grab me wherever they please, as long as I get from point A to point B in one piece.
    no one is saying come and go willy nilly. Quite the contrary. The issue at hand is with an offensive pat down of a 6 year old. The TSA has been shown ineffective, these are just gratuitous and unnecessary.

  24. I understand what your saying but they DO use children for this stuff and just because someone has a child does not mean that they play the role of a parent. Some people have their kids hold there stash or whatever they are trying to hide. And to DAdams...but we are safe arent we? No one was hurt. You guys do realize that there is NOTHING anyone can say on this board that will be an "end all" solution to this right? When I was in the military, I was flying back to Korea in uniform and they pulled me aside to search me. I wasnt mad because I know the person you would least expect is the person that has something to hide.

  25. I will say that everyone on here has a valid point. Im not hating on anyone for their views....just to be clear.

  26. Also, TSA and Homeland Security are both scrutinized for profiling. So, for every search of a person fitting "the profile" of a terrorist, they have to search kids, little old ladies, and even men and women in uniform.
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by drinkyboy View Post
    And to DAdams...but we are safe arent we? No one was hurt.
    If your are referring to the underwear bomber, then again, the TSA did NOTHING to avert that attack. My point was that the TSA is a corporate private money grab from the Federal government that doesn't protect us anymore than prior to 911 attack. Every last security measure we have instituted has been a knee jerk reaction to something had happened.

    As I stated earlier, we do not look at people, we scan bodies and touch clothes, until we have trained officers looking people in the eyes, we are just waiting for the next attack, no more, no less. Take a look at isreals air port security, they don't violate personal space for flyers, yet are very successful in stopping terrorism even though they have 10x more attempts than here in the US.

    There is no reason to reinvent the wheel when the process has been tried and true out there.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    Also, TSA and Homeland Security are both scrutinized for profiling. So, for every search of a person fitting "the profile" of a terrorist, they have to search kids, little old ladies, and even men and women in uniform.
    Profiling has proven not to work, Bruce hits that one hard. You profile muslims, the goal post will be moved.

    http://www.schneier.com/essay-076.html
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Profiling has proven not to work, Bruce hits that one hard. You profile muslims, the goal post will be moved.

    http://www.schneier.com/essay-076.html
    That still does not change the fact that they do in fact vary their "random" searches across all lines to avoid even the appearance of profiling or any form of discrimination.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    That still does not change the fact that they do in fact vary their "random" searches across all lines to avoid even the appearance of profiling or any form of discrimination.
    Did you not read what I just posted?

    I just stated profiling does not work in the native way of thinking. No use in profiling.
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