URSOL-XT

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by TheBGRigatoni View Post
    NICE!!!!!!!!! Did you both order from O or BIG
    O for me and id assume for jwa as well.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd
    Hey guys sorry for the delays in replies. We had all sorts of issues come up and we needed to fix them.

    Originally the plan was to complex the UA in cyclodextrin. We wanted to do this because it increases the solubility of UA 200 times. But we got bad news.

    We used a new manufacturer, who basically priced it as complexed. We thought we were good to go. By the time they completed and we had labels printed and we tested the final product we found all they did was blend our UA with cyclodextrins. They didn't actually complex it which is what really matters. At this point we went back to them but they want to charge a ridiculous amount for complexing the product. Egh

    So where does that leave us. The cyclo in the product doesn't actually improve solubility. So this is just plain ole UA.

    However the additions of piperine and forskolin still work well with UA. We are also continuing to pursue a manufacturer who can appropriately complex the cyclos.

    FRL sincerely apologizes for this error. But hopefully this provides some clarification.
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  3. Sooo I'm glad you his didn't leave this hidden and have fold assume they were getting a complexed cyclo product.... But I don't think I'll be picking until its released in that form...

    Really the differences will bee absurd between the 2 given the increased adsorption...
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  4. Sounds excititing......

    Im on this if it means gulping down less ursobolic pills (18per day)

    any idea when the first or improved batch will be avail in the UK ?

    does this have more promise than c20 ? (still unsure if this actually contains any UA)

    and do we know exactly how much actual UA is in each serving of 4 pills?
    or is the amount of UA per serving just 25% of the whole prop blend (not alot)

    In simple terms what was the prob with the first batch and how will the second be better?

    coleus forskolin (standardised) is known to boost t levels hence why label apparantly mentions drug testing

    Thanks

  5. I really hope you guys can bring out the complexed version soon. I was looking forward to this product.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by SynergyIre View Post
    Is this 600mg of 25% Ursolic Acid? I ask considering it says 1280mg serving for 4 caps, meaning 320mg per cap and the ingredient list says Ursolic Acid 25%.
    Exactly, 600mg of a 25% extract? That means 150mg of ursolic acid per serving(4 caps). That's equivalent to 3 ursobolic caps. I also wonder why piperine is dosed higher than forskolin and what extract the foskolin is.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Ev52 View Post
    Exactly, 600mg of a 25% extract? That means 150mg of ursolic acid per serving(4 caps). That's equivalent to 3 ursobolic caps. I also wonder why piperine is dosed higher than forskolin and what extract the foskolin is.
    Wondering why no one else is asking this... If it's only 150mg then not having something added absorption is kinda a big deal. Really a question of how much piperine helps, but the complex seems to be what they were really banking on.

    Didn't notice piperine above forskolin... Good question

  8. Quote Originally Posted by SynergyIre View Post
    Wondering why no one else is asking this... If it's only 150mg then not having something added absorption is kinda a big deal. Really a question of how much piperine helps, but the complex seems to be what they were really banking on.Didn't notice piperine above forskolin... Good question
    Hmm, I bought this based on the post below Royd's post saying 4 caps (FRL)= 12 caps (E-pharm)
    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    = to 12 caps of Urso...for those keeping track Outstanding FRL
    If this was not a correct statement someone should have clarified. I know it wasn't from Royd's mouth, but I may have just paid almost 2 times (compared to e-pharms) more for something that will last me 5 days at the dose I intended to run it. This would be awful. Not trying to bad mouth as i am a fan of FRL. But if this is true I really wish FRL would have clarified these questions. Please clarify ASAP Royd as I will deny shipment if this is true. Can't quite afford $138 for a months worth of ursolic acid

  9. Quote Originally Posted by johnfaceman View Post
    Hmm, I bought this based on the post below Royd's post saying 4 caps (FRL)= 12 caps (E-pharm) If this was not a correct statement someone should have clarified. I know it wasn't from Royd's mouth, but I may have just paid almost 2 times (compared to e-pharms) more for something that will last me 5 days at the dose I intended to run it. This would be awful. Not trying to bad mouth as i am a fan of FRL. But if this is true I really wish FRL would have clarified these questions. Please clarify ASAP Royd as I will deny shipment if this is true. Can't quite afford $138 for a months worth of ursolic acid
    That post would be from schizm who's a rep for SNS. This question was brought up in a different way on page 7, where if it was 25% Ursolic Acid, if the whole formula was 25% UA, since the full dose of 4 caps is 1280mg the MAXIMUM dose possible would be 320mg of pure ursolic acid, and again that assumes there's nothing else in the formula. I'm sure piperine increased the absorption of the UA, the question is still by how much.

    Hopefully Royd can speak to this a bit. I would hope that they wouldn't put out the product if they didn't think it would perform at this amount. Would be nice to have a response to this from someone more involved in the formulation.

  10. Yea unfortunately I'm holding off til the formula is corrected n we get some numbers.. Gonna finish off my 3 remaining bottles of urso and hopefully by then things here will be settled up
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  11. Doubt its 25% of the total formula as UA is very commonly standardized to 25%. I can't be certain but i would assume the 25% is simply the extract percentage. I really hope someone can clear up these speculations.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Yea unfortunately I'm holding off til the formula is corrected n we get some numbers.. Gonna finish off my 3 remaining bottles of urso and hopefully by then things here will be settled up
    Yeah, I truely hope I'm wrong, just more worried about the silence on the matter...

  13. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Yea unfortunately I'm holding off til the formula is corrected n we get some numbers.. Gonna finish off my 3 remaining bottles of urso and hopefully by then things here will be settled up
    Now I really wish I did the same. I'm just praying I'm not stuck with 2 bottles that will only last me 10 days total. Does anyone know if BRSupps has a return policy?

  14. Seeing as how the product was pitched one way when this thread started and then all the sudden the delivery system is a bust I would not buy it. I do applaud the admission of the problem, but I still wouldn't purchase it. As far as I can tell the pricing etc was done with the delivery system in mind and then it's useless and the price stays the same. I don't know maybe I'm seeing it wrong, but with so much confusion over what this product is and isn't I will be staying away from it most likely.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by johnfaceman View Post
    Now I really wish I did the same. I'm just praying I'm not stuck with 2 bottles that will only last me 10 days total. Does anyone know if BRSupps has a return policy?
    If it comes down to UA being underdosed, just pick up some Ursobolic and dose along side the 4 caps a day of Ursol-XT. That way you get benefit of the piperine not to mention the forskolin which should be an awesome stack anyways, which for the money might still work out to be a decent deal at the price.

    There are still ways to make this supplement workable either way, would just be nice to know all the facts

  16. Yea the forskolin is the biggest draw IMO.. Maybe just add it alongside urso.. I'm gonna be taking something soon with it anyway so.. Well see how it works out

  17. unfortunately I'll be waiting until the next batch..

    I'll probably just add some piperine with my current ursobolic and see if it does anything.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by dlucks
    unfortunately I'll be waiting until the next batch..

    I'll probably just add some piperine with my current ursobolic and see if it does anything.
    I wouldn't expect it to by much given its more likely absorbed predominantly through the lymphatic system, not the liver.... Thus the suggestion to take with fats...

    Had it actually been complexed with the cyclo then we would have a whole different animal on our hands...

    I think it would be worth the costs to do that just cause of the increased adsorption alone.... Mg:mg there would be way more value in cyclo complexed ursobolic then standard...

    Please make this happen guys, I'm sure it will wind up being something special...
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by SynergyIre View Post
    Yeah, I truely hope I'm wrong, just more worried about the silence on the matter...

    x2 waiting to see how much actual ua is in a 4 cap serving
    also have 3 bottles of ursobolic to use

  20. Hey guys sorry to bring up such an uproar my bad But like Royd said it was a mnf/label issue that i posted incorrect about mg/per caps...etc.. I was doing some research and all that multitasking got me screwed up.. so i apologize for any wrong info that i posted.. I honest did not mean that by any wrong doing. We stand behind our products 100% with any or all actives we provide. As for any more questions you might have, i will be sure to pass along to Royd as the hopes he can answer asap. This is why FRL was big on Alpha Mass sales by providing high quality products at lowest possible price. When we sold out AM within months of retailers getting, thats telling me our fans/customers are TRULY THE BEST OF THE BEST. We can't wait for all of you to see our entire line to come out to be all of you happy. Ok so as far as me, i'm old and decrepit was trying to do to much at one time. So again, i apologize on my behalf and hope for continued support from Anabolic Minds posse.. PLEASE again we will be more happy to get back asap with any questions...ok im going back to bed as the flu has kick my elder ass
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by dlucks View Post
    unfortunately I'll be waiting until the next batch..
    Same here. Hopefully the current batch is a small batch and would run out quickly.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by fadi View Post
    Same here. Hopefully the current batch is a small batch and would run out quickly.
    It should go quick pre orders are moving
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by TheBGRigatoni View Post
    It should go quick pre orders are moving
    Any answers to the previous questions?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Ev52 View Post
    Any answers to the previous questions?
    What he said. Need to know if I should cancel my order before it's shipped.

  25. Ok so I think the major question here was the dose of actual UA? If so rig's info was correct. It has the 600mg's at 25% (or 150mg's of UA per serving). Obviously it was dosed at that level assuming it was an actual cyclo complex. The first batch was really small...so I'm hoping we can move it out and find someone who can actually complex the stuff for us.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Ok so I think the major question here was the dose of actual UA? If so rig's info was correct. It has the 600mg's at 25% (or 150mg's of UA per serving). Obviously it was dosed at that level assuming it was an actual cyclo complex. The first batch was really small...so I'm hoping we can move it out and find someone who can actually complex the stuff for us.

    OK, sorry, but I'm super confused. Just to clarify

    1 cap has 150mg of URSOLIC ACID (derived from 600mg of total extract) so the 4 caps will give a total of 600mg of URSOLIC ACID (aka the same amount as 12 caps of Ursobolic)?

    or is it 1 cap has 150mg of total extract so 4 caps gives only 150mg of URSOLIC ACID?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by jwa254 View Post
    OK, sorry, but I'm super confused. Just to clarify

    1 cap has 150mg of URSOLIC ACID (derived from 600mg of total extract) so the 4 caps will give a total of 600mg of URSOLIC ACID (aka the same amount as 12 caps of Ursobolic)?

    or is it 1 cap has 150mg of total extract so 4 caps gives only 150mg of URSOLIC ACID?
    1 cap has 150mg's of total extract so 4 caps has 150mg's of UA.
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  28. Thanks for the clarification. Please keep us up to date on production of the new Ursol-xt. Can't wait for it Royd!!

  29. 4 CAPS gives 150mg of actual UA (if so how can 150mg do anything)
    or 600mg of actual UA
    want to compare 4 caps vs 4 caps of ursobolic
    Cheers

  30. Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    4 CAPS gives 150mg of actual UA (if so how can 150mg do anything)
    or 600mg of actual UA
    want to compare 4 caps vs 4 caps of ursobolic
    Cheers
    They obviously formulated it with intentions of the product being complexed. It didn't get complexed, therefore (unfortunately) they are left with a product that only gives 150mg of actual UA. I feel bad for FRL for this but it's something that happens.

    Perhaps the recommended dose of 4/day will do something with the forskolin being included, but if you want to get the amount of UA in 9 caps of URSOBOLIC, you'd need to take 12 caps of Ursol-XT meaning each bottle would last 10 days instead of 30 (I believe this is correct, it's early morning and my math may be off). However, 12 caps of Ursol-XT also means a ton of forskolin so I wouldn't advise dosing that high from the start as your stomach would hate you.
  

  
 

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