Your opinion on HST training?
12-11-2004 09:38 PM
Your opinion on HST training?
What is your opinion on the 3 day HST training regiment?
I was goning to use it with my Superdrol cycle. Any others I should be looking at?
Here is the HST site: http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com.
12-12-2004 08:32 AM
I used to be on a 4 day schedule, with a "cycle" training, which was 4 week high volume high reps, 4 weeks lower reps, more rest, lower number of sets etc. In other word, I was on a training that was for the 2 different kind of hypertrophy.
It didn't work. I used to go to failure on too many sets, then overtraining my cns, so I wasn't able to load progressively, which what hst is about. I didnt gain ANYTHING in about 5-6 months of training.
Im not overtrain anymore (I dont feel tired all the time and irritable now), and I finally gain. My chest is much fuller, Im packing mass on those lagging legs, and Im finally over the 16 mark for the arms. Im so glad I found hst some months ago.
Before saying hst sucks, because their philosophy are different from many belief, try it. If diet is in order, you will grow. Progressive load and frequency are the keys.
12-23-2004 11:39 PM
Im surprised that more opinions havent been expressed in this thread.
Im nearing the end of my first HST cycle and so far, so good.
12-26-2004 02:19 AM
Sounds weird to me...I read through it and just can't bring myself to trying it...I may implement some of the principles and see if I see progress; from tehre I might give it a try...
12-26-2004 08:02 AM
My understanding of it is that it promotes size gains, but not strength. If thats true, then for me it worthless.
12-26-2004 10:14 AM
I didn't vote because I feel it has some really good ideas and some problems. I personally couldn't keep up with myself, but that may be because its damn near impossible to do 1-2 sets and move on to another body part. Psychological issue on my part. And if you DON'T do that, you overtrain. I guess I need to give it more strict consideration before I rule it out. For sure, however, it (or a modified version) can be successfully employed to change up/shock the system and bust a plateau from stagnation. Full body workouts are just not realistic except for this purpose IMO. I suggest everyone learn about it and give it a try if you are getting stuck or stale.
12-26-2004 01:21 PM
I would have to agree with Chunky.
I ended my first cycle two days ago. I kept the cycle real simple--12 weeks of test (transdermal) with some Dbol at the beginning. In the first 5 weeks, the size and strength gains came absurdly fast on my four day high volume split. However, with each passing week, the gains became slower and slower and almost to the point of complete stagnation. So, the last two weeks I decided to change it up. I pretty much did the standard HST 15 rep workout except I did a 6 day workout (upper/lower) instead of the standard three. I finished the 15's on the last day of my cycle and can honestly say that I saw some good size and strength gains in that little of time. I BLEW past all of my previous 15 RM's. Gained a total of 23 lbs. on thw whole cycle. Pretty awesome.
Now, I'll see how I can keep all these gains in the 10's and 5's. I don't expect to lose much of anything. My next 12 week cycle will be all HST, set-up like Jminis-should make some sick sick gains.
12-26-2004 01:49 PM
I love it, have done 2 cycles of it now. One was the traditional 8 week 15/10/5, the other a modified 16 week cycle with a test/EQ cycle. You have to get used to the limited amount of sets per bodypart per day, but once you get over any hang-ups you had from previous training styles, you realize this one works wonderfully and is based purely around science.
12-26-2004 09:07 PM
I want to try it out...but it just sounds so weird!!
How long have your workouts been using HST training, jweave??
12-26-2004 09:30 PM
about 45 - 60 minutes, no longer than that. I try for about 45 if possible
12-26-2004 10:43 PM
45-60 hauling ass, or is that like a "normal" pace??
12-27-2004 07:24 AM
Things to keep in mind:
HST is not the 15/10/5/negatives method, that's one implimentation of HST. HST is a set of principles with a good solid backing in science. One, load the muscle. Two, progressively increase the weight. Three, frequency, workout every 48 hours. Four, rest, or as it's known in HST Strategic Deconditioning.
As someone else said, HST is geared to size gains, not strength gains. Strength comes, not as fast as with principles dedicated to increasing strength specifically.
Also, almost all weight lifting programs adhere to some extent to all four of these principles. If you're comfortable with what you're doing and getting gains, changing makes no sense. But, if you want a change up try to modifiy your existing program to fit those four principles.
HST with AAS is different. There's plenty written on the subject on the HST boards, go read a bit over there. The stuff by the users Blade and Lars are particularly helpful, search for their posts.
The 15/10/5/negative rep scheme is just a one size fits all implimentation of HST. the reps don't really matter to be honest. They just provide a useful contruct for keeping track of volume and time under tension. You could as easily go with 12/8/5/negatives, or do a different number of reps every week. Doesn't really matter. You want steady or increasing volume and increasing weight over the course of the cycle. The greater the range of weight you can use from beginning to end of a cycle, the better the results, all else being equal. Don't be afraid to start lower than you'd think would be useful.
12-28-2004 05:12 PM
Great wrapup. My only comment is that one should rest muscle groups for 48 hours. So, you can do a six day split and work out every 24 hours, for example upper/lower split.
I've had good results on HST. It is said to be especially worthwhile while cutting.
01-20-2005 10:54 AM
I've done it before for a couple of hst cycles and it worked well. What I'm doing now seems to work better for me though. Either way my workouts are only 45 min or so.
So all in all, the science that it's based on seems to be sound, and produces results.
01-21-2005 11:14 PM
HST is great. for all the naysayers, you set up a self-fulfilling prophecy. as one wag said, WLing is 90% physical and 10% mental, but lets talk about that 10%.
seriously. it's based on very sound science, and it works. it is just so different from the BBing CW about "blasting a muscle" then letting it rest for days on end.
HST works. but if you come into it doubting it's effectiveness, you will sabotage it and get suboptimal gains
also should note that it is suboptimal for strength vs. hypertrophy but so are BBing programs IN GENERAL. people who want strength over size generally train differently than BBers for obvious reasons. HST is not a strength athlete protocol, although it might be nice as occasional adjunct training and to give the body a break from low rep abuse
01-22-2005 10:07 AM
Sound discussion. I am researching HST as I write this. There is another link that may be of interest.
It's written by a guy who apparently has put together an ebook on HST. The text seems dependable. I plan to start my first HST cycle shortly. It'd be of great help if you guys could share a sample routine or two (eight week cycle).
01-28-2005 11:36 PM
I think HST works great, it's kind of confusing at first when trying to set it up...But if you set it up right, it works great, my workout partner and I both saw pretty good strength and size increases on it. I have an excel program that simplifies it fairly well if anyone is interested..
02-01-2005 10:24 PM
I tried it once and didnt like it. I felt I actually lost strength. I might give it another go in the future, however.
02-02-2005 08:05 AM
Keep in mind it's not geared towards gaining strength. You may gain strength on it, you should gain strength steadily if you do a few cycles of it, and you really shouldn't lose any strength while on it. It's main focus however is hypertrophy.
Originally Posted by BigVrunga
02-02-2005 09:03 AM
Very true. Hypertrophy is its main focus. It's usually compared to strength training and PL, but HST serves a very different purpose - that of gaining size. If one is looking to gain strength with some size then PL would be a good start.
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