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  1. I could get into the specifics, however there is one circumstance in which HST is the best training method hands down. Before you start your flames, allow me to explain: read New Approaches to PCT: Part III Training, In Mind & Muscle #23. As far as a year-round training approach, for one, it's boring, secondly, it's only worth it if you are a hardgainer (as we all are during PCT)


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Viator
    As far as a year-round training approach, for one, it's boring, secondly, it's only worth it if you are a hardgainer (as we all are during PCT)
    You call it boring, I call it structured
    I dont understand the second part of your comment though. If your a hardgainer its good, but if you gain muscle easily its not? What do you think is better?
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  3. Further explanation...


    I just didn't feel like retyping my entire article on PCT training that I did for Mind & Muscle.

    The basic premise is, HST is hands-down the best approach for gaining mass, hardgainer or not. It just works that much better if you're a hardgainer. Post androgen cycle, even Ronnie Coleman is a hardgainer.

    And although it is structured, full body splits can get boring. And constant change is one of the keys to continual goals. I'm not sure If I'm allowed to reprint the article as it belongs to Par Deus, INC now. Read it and you'll know exactly what I'm tallking about. I put a *permanent* 25 lbs on my frame using HST principles, and UD 2.0 for cutting, which is basically a tweaked version of HST.

    Read the article. If you like it, post how much you liked it, I could sure use the positive feedback after I was basically banned from writing articles for BulkNuts, "The bull" because a few feeble minded individuals couldn't appreciate the immersion of fiction and bodybuilding. See: "The Absinthe Diet and Insanity Program," issue #2 or #3 (not sure) of "The Bull."

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew69
    You call it boring, I call it structured
    I dont understand the second part of your comment though. If your a hardgainer its good, but if you gain muscle easily its not? What do you think is better?

  4. Ill check it out as soon as I get a chance..most of it will probably go over my head, but Ill check it out none the less

  5. IMO the bottom line is HST works for me, Ive been using a modifyed version of it for over a year now and it suits me fine. Strength comes but it is slower, you cant lift heavy weights all the time anyway. Dont skip the high rep segment, a little lower than 15 is ok, just my thoughts it works
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Knowbull
    IMO the bottom line is HST works for me, Ive been using a modifyed version of it for over a year now and it suits me fine. Strength comes but it is slower, you cant lift heavy weights all the time anyway. Dont skip the high rep segment, a little lower than 15 is ok, just my thoughts it works
    There are several modified versions available that have been tried and worked. Some are similar to the basic routine, some have major modifications. The high rep work is good for strengthening connective tissue, but skipping the fifteens really isn't a big deal for most when it comes to hypertrophy. The range of weight used over the cycle is what really counts.

  7. Thanks CDB I appreciate your input!

  8. I put I dunno but I like it. I think it's good for some people and not good for others. It really depends on ones goals and body type.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Viator
    I put a *permanent* 25 lbs on my frame using HST principles, and UD 2.0 for cutting, which is basically a tweaked version of HST.

    Read the article.

    What does UD 2.0 consist of? Where can I find info?

    Thanks,

    - Jonesie

  10. I tried HST a few years ago with a loss in strength over the course of the program (which in retrospect, I guess I should have expected.) That said, when I returned to my regular workout routine my strength and size went through the roof within 2-3 weeks with no significant change in diet.

    I guess I would just keep this information in mind while doing your HST cycle. Switching it up is always a good thing!

  11. Here is the AAS/PH FAQ on HST training from the site, in case any of you had trouble finding it

    AAS/PH FAQ
  12. UD2.0


    It's an updated version of Bodyopus. The book is available: bodyrecomposition.com
    worth it.

    Quote Originally Posted by JonesersRX7
    What does UD 2.0 consist of? Where can I find info?

    Thanks,

    - Jonesie

  13. I've done bodyopus before and it works really well for me. Anyone mind giving some more details about UD 2?

    What's different from body opus and is it really better?

  14. HST is for size, and right now I feel like I want strength. I'm putting on mass without strength gains, and yea sure I feel good when I look at myself, but I'm still putting up the same weight I was on most exercises 6 months ago.

    so what would you guys recommend for strength?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by cable626
    HST is for size, and right now I feel like I want strength. I'm putting on mass without strength gains, and yea sure I feel good when I look at myself, but I'm still putting up the same weight I was on most exercises 6 months ago.

    so what would you guys recommend for strength?
    Max OT or Westside Barbell routines work well for strength.

  16. WSB for strength, definately. Will add mass to you, too.

  17. I'm getting bigger and I train WSB style

  18. i truly believe you can put on size with nearly all of these types of programs (HIT, max-ot, WSB, DC, HST) .. varying up training and MOST IMPORTANTLY diet are both key ... they type of workout is important but i think in the end they will all result in growth .. that said i don't like HST at all really

  19. Quote Originally Posted by exnihilo
    I'm getting bigger and I train WSB style
    Word on that stud

  20. Quote Originally Posted by exnihilo
    I'm getting bigger and I train WSB style
    Don't lie, toothpick....I've seen your avatar and your girly limbs :P

    Okay, okay...so I'm kidding

    Haven't heard too much good on HST lately. Never ended up trying it b/c it never did make sense to me. I ended up droping the volume, therefore increasing my rest and recovery time and I'm thanking myself now good stuff.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by glenihan
    i truly believe you can put on size with nearly all of these types of programs (HIT, max-ot, WSB, DC, HST) .. varying up training and MOST IMPORTANTLY diet are both key ... they type of workout is important but i think in the end they will all result in growth .. that said i don't like HST at all really
    Well said. We can tell that some here prefer strength and PL type routines, which is fine, but IMO in reality just about ANY program that is based in science and incorporates basic resistance training concepts will yield results in size and strength gains. The discussion here seems to be which is "best" in each department, whether or not that was the original intent. I am also making size and strength gains while on HST, so

  22. No matter what, I think it is a good idea to variate aspects of training in order to provide fresh growth and adaptation. One of the benefits of this is; it provides injury free training which is imperative to consistent growth.
  23. Bastardized HST


    Is great for keeping gains during PCT. you may even make some sleight gains depending on what compounds you used and the duration of the cycle.

    But as we all (should) know, variation is key in lifting. Sure I love HST, but I only do maybe 2, 8 week courses of it a year.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by jweave23
    Well said. We can tell that some here prefer strength and PL type routines, which is fine, but IMO in reality just about ANY program that is based in science and incorporates basic resistance training concepts will yield results in size and strength gains. The discussion here seems to be which is "best" in each department, whether or not that was the original intent. I am also making size and strength gains while on HST, so
    I agree. There is no best one. As long as you have a decent ECC/CON time frame you will grow. I usually start everyone on the programs that the majority will respond to but it sure doens't cover everyone. Some response to lower CON times with increased ECC times (DC training..I still laugh at the thought that he named it after himself). Some respond to lower ECC times but higher volume and some just like a normal CON/ECC ratio with low volume.

    You just have to tinker around and find what works for you and you don't to change routines completely to keep the body guessing. Just a change in rep time is sufficient enough.
    For answers to board issues, read the Suggestion and News forum at the bottom of the main page.

  25. for variety's sake, and when properly implimented I think it has merit. I have never done a full length (6 weeks) cycle of HST, or a "pure" HST cycle, however. The variety of it, however, helped.
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