Your opinion on HST training?
02-02-2005 02:13 PM
Hmmm...When I tried HST I had only been training a little over a year, so I really didnt have half the knowledge I do now. Ive been training for strength for a while, maybe its worth another shot.
02-02-2005 03:14 PM
Depends on your goals bro. If you want size it's hard to beat short and long term. If you want strength and size any other routine you respond well to will do.
Originally Posted by BigVrunga
02-13-2005 10:01 AM
Im gonna be starting HST today...but i was wonderin if someone can skip the 15 range and go to the 10?
And also how is HST with AAS different?
02-13-2005 04:12 PM
If you've been lifting for a while you can skip the 15s. They're basically to strengthen connective tissues. However, if you're skipping the 15s use that as an opportunity to start with a lower weight at the begining of the tens. The range of weight you use from the begining to the end of the cycle is a big determining factor in the effectiveness of the cycle. SD for a week or two before you start.
Originally Posted by Renton405
There's a variety of ways AAS will effect how an HST cycle is implimented. My advice is to go to the HST site and read through the forums, the subject has been addressed at length.
02-16-2005 11:23 PM
I think HST is best suited toward athletes like wrestlers, boxers and mma practioners. The 15s help with muscle endurance/fatigue and the relatively few number of workouts per week leaves adequate time for training in another sport. I wouldn't skip the 15 but rather drop it to 12/10 8 and 4/5 reps schemes.
02-28-2005 02:02 AM
I could get into the specifics, however there is one circumstance in which HST is the best training method hands down. Before you start your flames, allow me to explain: read New Approaches to PCT: Part III Training, In Mind & Muscle #23. As far as a year-round training approach, for one, it's boring, secondly, it's only worth it if you are a hardgainer (as we all are during PCT)
02-28-2005 02:28 AM
You call it boring, I call it structured
Originally Posted by Viator
I dont understand the second part of your comment though. If your a hardgainer its good, but if you gain muscle easily its not? What do you think is better?
02-28-2005 03:05 AM
I just didn't feel like retyping my entire article on PCT training that I did for Mind & Muscle.
The basic premise is, HST is hands-down the best approach for gaining mass, hardgainer or not. It just works that much better if you're a hardgainer. Post androgen cycle, even Ronnie Coleman is a hardgainer.
And although it is structured, full body splits can get boring. And constant change is one of the keys to continual goals. I'm not sure If I'm allowed to reprint the article as it belongs to Par Deus, INC now. Read it and you'll know exactly what I'm tallking about. I put a *permanent* 25 lbs on my frame using HST principles, and UD 2.0 for cutting, which is basically a tweaked version of HST.
Read the article. If you like it, post how much you liked it, I could sure use the positive feedback after I was basically banned from writing articles for BulkNuts, "The bull" because a few feeble minded individuals couldn't appreciate the immersion of fiction and bodybuilding. See: "The Absinthe Diet and Insanity Program," issue #2 or #3 (not sure) of "The Bull."
Originally Posted by Andrew69
02-28-2005 06:11 AM
Ill check it out as soon as I get a chance..most of it will probably go over my head, but Ill check it out none the less
02-28-2005 06:56 AM
IMO the bottom line is HST works for me, Ive been using a modifyed version of it for over a year now and it suits me fine. Strength comes but it is slower, you cant lift heavy weights all the time anyway. Dont skip the high rep segment, a little lower than 15 is ok, just my thoughts it works
02-28-2005 08:17 AM
There are several modified versions available that have been tried and worked. Some are similar to the basic routine, some have major modifications. The high rep work is good for strengthening connective tissue, but skipping the fifteens really isn't a big deal for most when it comes to hypertrophy. The range of weight used over the cycle is what really counts.
Originally Posted by Knowbull
02-28-2005 07:57 PM
Thanks CDB I appreciate your input!
03-10-2005 11:07 AM
I put I dunno but I like it. I think it's good for some people and not good for others. It really depends on ones goals and body type.
03-16-2005 06:36 PM
Originally Posted by Viator
What does UD 2.0 consist of? Where can I find info?
03-16-2005 07:56 PM
I tried HST a few years ago with a loss in strength over the course of the program (which in retrospect, I guess I should have expected.) That said, when I returned to my regular workout routine my strength and size went through the roof within 2-3 weeks with no significant change in diet.
I guess I would just keep this information in mind while doing your HST cycle. Switching it up is always a good thing!
03-17-2005 01:02 AM
Here is the AAS/PH FAQ on HST training from the site, in case any of you had trouble finding it
03-19-2005 01:21 AM
It's an updated version of Bodyopus. The book is available: bodyrecomposition.com
Originally Posted by JonesersRX7
03-19-2005 08:51 AM
I've done bodyopus before and it works really well for me. Anyone mind giving some more details about UD 2?
What's different from body opus and is it really better?
03-28-2005 03:05 PM
HST is for size, and right now I feel like I want strength. I'm putting on mass without strength gains, and yea sure I feel good when I look at myself, but I'm still putting up the same weight I was on most exercises 6 months ago.
so what would you guys recommend for strength?
03-28-2005 04:07 PM
Max OT or Westside Barbell routines work well for strength.
Originally Posted by cable626
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