how many sets per exercise and workout?
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02-22-2012 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rodja
He also has nothing else in his life but eating and training. As with anything a pro BB'er says, take it with a grain of salt because they are not only genetically gifted, but also have "assistance."
Ofcourse. That was my point when saying how he doesn't do the typical 6 meals a day an stuff. All he has to do daily/nightly is eat, train and relax
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02-22-2012 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by
Rodja
He also has nothing else in his life but eating and training. As with anything a pro BB'er says, take it with a grain of salt because they are not only genetically gifted, but also have "assistance."
Not too mention the typical pro bodybuilding program is highly metabolic filled with few heavy compound movements (i.e.: bodybuilders are not squatting, deadlifting or cleaning 2-3 times a week such as a power lifter or olympic lifter)
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02-22-2012 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ZiR RED
Not too mention the typical pro bodybuilding program is highly metabolic filled with few heavy compound movements (i.e.: bodybuilders are not squatting, deadlifting or cleaning 2-3 times a week such as a power lifter or olympic lifter)
I beg to differ. Just cuz a pro bodybuilder isn't trying to bench 1000lbs or whatever doesn't mean they don't do compound movements. Alot of pro bodybuilders squat, deadlift, bench.. No cleans but whatever. But yeah deff not 3 times a week I'll give you that. That's cuz a powerlifters main focuses are just the compound movements.
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02-22-2012 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by
VS91588
I beg to differ. Just cuz a pro bodybuilder isn't trying to bench 1000lbs or whatever doesn't mean they don't do compound movements. Alot of pro bodybuilders squat, deadlift, bench.. No cleans but whatever. But yeah deff not 3 times a week I'll give you that. That's cuz a powerlifters main focuses are just the compound movements.
Exactly, the neural component of many bodybuilding programs, especially those done by pro's (at least, what I've seen published and on their videos) is not compound lift driven. Nor is the absolute intensity (% of the 1 RM) very high). This factor, in conjunction with what has already been mentioned allows for 4 + hours of weight lifting per day.
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02-22-2012 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by
VS91588
I beg to differ. Just cuz a pro bodybuilder isn't trying to bench 1000lbs or whatever doesn't mean they don't do compound movements. Alot of pro bodybuilders squat, deadlift, bench.. No cleans but whatever. But yeah deff not 3 times a week I'll give you that. That's cuz a powerlifters main focuses are just the compound movements.
The percentages are also not comparable. BB'ers do not train at 90% and beyond.
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02-22-2012 04:59 PM
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A bodybuilder doesn't worry about how much he lifts but a bodybuilder will always take his muscles to 100% failure
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02-22-2012 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by
VS91588
A bodybuilder doesn't worry about how much he lifts but a bodybuilder will always take his muscles to 100% failure
Training a muscle to failure does not have the CNS load that ME training does.
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02-23-2012 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by
Rodja
The older I get, the more I think that for the first 3-4 years, lifters should focus on strength and technique. There is no reason why anyone that is 160 lbs should be doing leg extensions and cable crossovers. Focusing on the compound lifts has started to slowly subside and I rarely see people doing lots of dips, pullups, deadlifts, standing overhead press, BB rows, etc.
1000% agreed.
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02-23-2012 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by VS91588
A bodybuilder doesn't worry about how much he lifts but a bodybuilder will always take his muscles to 100% failure
I would agree with that in most instances, but 8X Mr. O Ronnie Coleman showed the world he could deadlift 800 pounds for two reps five weeks out of the Mr. Olympia contest. That is a lot of weight for anybody.
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02-23-2012 10:16 AM
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and franco could deadlift even more
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02-23-2012 10:23 AM
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Ronnie and Franco are exceptions to bodybuilding. But b4 Ronnie Deadlift 800 for about 4 reps he previously did other sets of 15, 12, 10 reps. A bodybuilder can mix hypertrophy training and strength training together. Pyramiding the weight up
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02-23-2012 03:27 PM
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Yes certainly. I just wanted to shed light on the 'no bodybuilder does low reps with high weight' stigma lol. And you gotta love Franco!
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02-23-2012 03:34 PM
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Just thought I would add that Ronnie also put himself outta the game by hurting himself. Once he hurt his back he was never able to recover. All those insane lifts take a toll for sure.
He is still one my favorites but I think health wise he really made some stupid choices buts that just my opinion.
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02-23-2012 04:06 PM
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Yeah it deff takes a toll on your body. I personally like deadlifting w/ dumbbells lately. I been reading up on FST-7; 7 sets with 30-40 second rest periods. After my back workout I grab 100-110lb dumbbells and perform that. It's really hard and you get more of a squeeze on the way up cuz you are not limited by a barbell.
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02-23-2012 04:17 PM
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That's cool I noticed a lot of pro bbs do deads last or toward the end of there workouts to prevent injury n focus of perfect form more that the weight.
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02-23-2012 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by VS91588
Yeah it deff takes a toll on your body. I personally like deadlifting w/ dumbbells lately. I been reading up on FST-7; 7 sets with 30-40 second rest periods. After my back workout I grab 100-110lb dumbbells and perform that. It's really hard and you get more of a squeeze on the way up cuz you are not limited by a barbell.
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02-23-2012 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AaronJP1
Always full of knowledge.
Thanks dude I appreciate it. I just notice alot of ppl keep their exercises so barbaric. The basic movements are great but change up the variations, change up the intensity. Trying new things keeps your body guessing, keeps your body changing.
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02-23-2012 06:11 PM
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Doing deads last is definitely a double-edged sword though. Having fatigued upper back muscles and, even more problematic, core muscles is a recipe for disaster if you're not careful. It's night and day different between athletes (not to say BBers aren't) and BBers though, so I do understand.
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02-23-2012 07:48 PM
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i do deads every other back workout. spinal erectors take a while to fully heal, so if your doin squats and barbell rows you dont need deadlifts every back.
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02-23-2012 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by
SuperMachoMan
i do deads every other back workout. spinal erectors take a while to fully heal, so if your doin squats and barbell rows you dont need deadlifts every back.
Why would rows take a toll on the erectors? I train the erectors 2-3x/week and it has made my back stronger than ever with much less pain.
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