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  1. Quote Originally Posted by taman6886 View Post
    Seriously. I love how all of these people who drop this crap provide no proof of the details of their sordid tales and then act as if the have no culpability in starting or keeping this rumor alive. Kind of like me saying I heard my neighbor is a pedophile. I am not saying he is, it is just what I have heard. Oh, no, no, I do not have any proof, I am just saying what I was told and trying to be honest about it. Don't expect me to be held accountable for this, because I did not say it was true, I am simply telling you what I heard. BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

    If you are worried about "honestly" or "culpability" (or even freaking decency for that matter) keep you mouth shut until you have something to back it up. But do not come in here playing all innocent with "I'm not saying, I'm just saying" and not expect to be accountable. What a damn cop out! At this point, I don't even care all that much about what the "truth" of the matter is, the SLIME BALL manner in which this rumor has been disseminated and the weasel like manner that those who have done it try to deny their own guilt in the issue sickens me. I was raised and honor that your word is your bond and have raised my children the same way, promise or no. If I told you I will perform it, I will perform it. If I don't KNOW something to be true, I do not repeat it. Even if it is true, I still may not repeat it if it will not be beneficial to anyone. Too bad for some people it seems that code of honor does not exist.
    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    I think if the shoe were on the other foot (Taurus or some other company claiming your products were inaccurate) you might believe otherwise about the need for proof.Without proof reps and owners can just go around all day talking about the fact that competitors products don't have in them what they say they have.

    I don't have a dog in this fight, and none of it effects my bottom line at all. But you're literally telling other people that the Taurus product is not what they say it is and then saying you haven't seen the test results....doesn't seem very fair to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
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    dude dont make a claim like that and not back it up....this isnt BB.com. If you are going to make a claim have some evidence to prove it rather than just hearsay or stories.
    Quote Originally Posted by T50 View Post
    Where is the lab report proving this?
    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    Ours contains what it says it does.
    sums it all up. disgusting really.
    I have used PA's products (testforce2) and have recommended it to many people even though our company sells a competing product but the way
    this has been handled here and on other boards has been disgusting and certainly changed my opinion on a few people in the industry.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Craigmatthew View Post
    sums it all up. disgusting really.
    I have used PA's products (testforce2) and have recommended it to many people even though our company sells a competing product but the way
    this has been handled here and on other boards has been disgusting and certainly changed my opinion on a few people in the industry.
    I'm glad you like our products. I'm sorry you feel this has been handled badly, but tbh the reaction from a Taurus rep is always likely to be negative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taurus Big K View Post
    Patrick I just wanted to inform you that you will be getting a letter and lawsuit from Taurus

    Big K
    Taurus Nutrition.
    I think that is the wrong way to handle the situation too. So there we are.

    Like I've said earlier in the thread, why don't we let our bosses sort it out between themselves.
    Antus Labs rep
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  3. Customer Service [email protected] via gateway11.websitewelcome.com
    show details 4:43 PM (1 hour ago)



    For any of you following the controversy, it does appear that there is a very small amount of 5a-androstanediol in our 7-KE product (roughly 3% of the active ingredient). Even though we feel that this is probably a normal situation where our supplier did give us one of the materials with less than 95% purity, we still feel like the right thing to do is advise our customers and offer a refund. We strongly feel that this trace amount isn't enough to cause ANY physiological effect, but it's the right thing to do. Please discard your unused portion.

    To answer every critic on the boards this stuff happens when you rely on Chinese suppliers and has happened to many companies in the past. I hope you treat Taurus the same way you've treated them. It's regrettable, but this stuff happens and we will in act even tougher testing protocols to ensure that this doesn't happen again.
    If you wish to get a refund, please email:
    Please form an orderly queue to issue apologies.
    Antus Labs rep

  4. Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    Please form an orderly queue to issue apologies.
    Although my primary issue was the manner in which this matter was handled, rather than stating "No way this is true" or what have you, I am humble enough to acknowledge your post Henry as well as the verification that of a sort that I had hoped one would have waited for before publicizing those reports. None the less, what is done is done and it appears I need to swallow a bit of humble pie and acknowledge that I did in fact "back the wrong horse".
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by taman6886 View Post
    Although my primary issue was the manner in which this matter was handled, rather than stating "No way this is true" or what have you, I am humble enough to acknowledge your post Henry as well as the verification that of a sort that I had hoped one would have waited for before publicizing those reports. None the less, what is done is done and it appears I need to swallow a bit of humble pie and acknowledge that I did in fact "back the wrong horse".
    I don't know if there is a right way to handle this stuff. Should I have ignored that I knew the 7KE contained androgens? Not mentioned it when questioned? Surely that would have been - to use judojosh's words from page 1 - disengenuous.
    Taurus threatened PA with a lawsuit for even suggesting that it contained controlled substances (even though it wasn't him that posted his results), which they've since admitted that it did.
    Just about every Taurus rep chimed in here, questioning PA's ethics, suggesting that it was a ruse to sway customers in our favour.

    I didn't need verification from Taurus. I knew PA had tested it, and I knew the results. I handled the situation the best I could. PA did the same, while limiting his liability for litigation. I would suggest that it was Taurus and their reps that handled the situation badly. You're welcome to disagree.

    I understand customers being skeptical of a company's motives. I applaud it. We do have ulterior motives. We do want to sell you stuff. Buy Ursobolic.
    Antus Labs rep

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  7. The initial response may have sparked a lot of hostility, but as angry as people want to get about it, it is true. Lesson learned for Taurus Nutrition: from now on, pay a 3rd party (such as PA) to test your raw material. Taurus had the integrity to offer refunds and admit to the error and I'm sure no harm was done, so maybe those who want to apologize can do so and let's nip this at the bud and move on.
  

  
 

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