[celc5]

Piston, it sure sounds like an occasional paranoia lapse. That's why I haven't mentioned gyno until you asked.

I hear ya on not wanting to come off. I feel FANTASTIC on phera. Thundergod's feedback with the TD form/trione combo certainly gives me something to look forward to after my phera stash runs dry.

Poopy, a few of my logs got in the upwards of 15 pages, which made it very difficult to find the technical information. So updating the first 2 posts helps to sort things out. It wouldn't be "stealing" if you did that too... more like sharing ideas as I'm sure I got that from somewhere else as well

Regarding the dosage, I think it's VERY relative to where you were in pre-cycle in terms of training and diet. My opinion is that the closer you are to a plateau, the higher dosages required to illicit gains above your current pace.

thundergod, too bad the old school 4-OH-T isn't still available... or is there still some floating around???

[poopypants]

true with the dosage, not to mention if youve run a compound before it tends to be less effective the next time if run close... but ive noticed when i wait and switch compound each cycle that i tend to closer to the same as i did the first time rather then running SD and then SD again 4 months later.

[pistonpump]

Originally Posted by poopypants

true with the dosage, not to mention if youve run a compound before it tends to be less effective the next time if run close... but ive noticed when i wait and switch compound each cycle that i tend to closer to the same as i did the first time rather then running superdrol and then SD again 4 months later.

yeah that seems true for me as well

[EasyEJL]

I think that is even more true if one is a class 1 and the other is a class 2, but thats just a guess. then it gives the alternate receptors a longer break.

[thundergod]

celc5--- I've been trying for hours now to find some old 4-oh-t, but alas, to no avail. I 've been googling my glutes off trying to help you out, but nothing. I've even tried to find individuals with unopened bottles for sale, but came up short. SORRY!! But, you still have the TD trione/form to look forward to after your phera cycle. Have fun!!!

[celc5]

Easy, Poopy, and Piston, I agree with all of your comments regarding dosage. I have more personal feelings regarding dosage that I'd like to save for the final review. I want to see if this week 4/5 causes some drastic changes of opinion before I delve more into this topic.

Thundergod, I appreciate the search my friend. We'll get in touch regarding that issue after this cycle. I'm trying to focus on one thing at a time. So gettin my swell on with phera is top priority right now

Week 3 Summary

Strength is up. I'm not blazing into new territory. But, if powerlifting were still a priority, I'm sure the bar would be bending frequently. Phera is quite nice for strength to this point.

Worklout drive is DEFINATELY the most pronounced benefit that I've noticed from phera. Occasionally, I feel the urge to get back to the gym about 2 hours after finishing a marathon workout. I had to increase my workout time by about 20 minutes per session and superset/dropset just about everything in order to satisfy that drive.

Mood and libido are unaffected or slightly enhanced. Honestly fellas, this is a BIG surprise and I'm happy with that. I expected the opposite.

Lethargy is a mild issue and I'm just trying to be a man about it. Occasionally, first thing in the morning, I'll use just a bit of stims. But phera is causing sleep issues so the stim intake must be very cautious. Eratic sleep patterns are the most prominet side effect to this point from phera.

Back pumps continue to be mild. I notice them when the pace at work is fast and during deadlifts/BO rows. Otherwise, they're a non issue. TheBigT says to think of them as "growing pains." I love the way that man thinks

As discussed with pistonpump, my mind is tryign to convince me that I have some nipple activity occuring. I'm pretty sure this is just placebo paranoia.

Finally, I've had some trouble concentrating a few times over the past week I've also noticed that I've been a bit clumsy. This is VERY unlike me. It's not significant enough to cause alarm, but I will be aware of these symptoms over the next few days.

Diet has been as good, if not better than it's ever been. I'm taking in 325-375g protein per day, 225-275g carbs, and 50-70g fat. My opinion is that phera is NOT a wet compound. However, if you have a "wet" diet (see stuffering your face like a hog with carbs) you will certainly look wet.

My opinion to this point is that phera is very mild with minimal side effects. At the week 3 juncture, I prefer the ON feeling from halo and believe the gains were more pronounced from halo to this point. I will continue to compare these 2 compounds, obviously because they are my only 2 experiences with hormonal products

[poopypants]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

I think that is even more true if one is a class 1 and the other is a class 2, but thats just a guess. then it gives the alternate receptors a longer break.

Easy you mind helping me break down the differences between class one and class 2's? Is this in specific reference to different types of receptors we have or reference to the compound itself? Does this mean ones that bind to the AR and ones that mostly dont bind to inact theyre effect? or is this purely another way of saying more androgenic or anabolic... im not sure what this means obviously.

[poopypants]

Originally Posted by celc5

Easy, Poopy, and Piston, I agree with all of your comments regarding dosage. I have more personal feelings regarding dosage that I'd like to save for the final review. I want to see if this week 4/5 causes some drastic changes of opinion before I delve more into this topic.

Thundergod, I appreciate the search my friend. We'll get in touch regarding that issue after this cycle. I'm trying to focus on one thing at a time. So gettin my swell on with phera is top priority right now

Week 3 Summary

Strength is up. I'm not blazing into new territory. But, if powerlifting were still a priority, I'm sure the bar would be bending frequently. Phera is quite nice for strength to this point.

Worklout drive is DEFINATELY the most pronounced benefit that I've noticed from phera. Occasionally, I feel the urge to get back to the gym about 2 hours after finishing a marathon workout. I had to increase my workout time by about 20 minutes per session and superset/dropset just about everything in order to satisfy that drive.

Mood and libido are unaffected or slightly enhanced. Honestly fellas, this is a BIG surprise and I'm happy with that. I expected the opposite.

Lethargy is a mild issue and I'm just trying to be a man about it. Occasionally, first thing in the morning, I'll use just a bit of stims. But phera is causing sleep issues so the stim intake must be very cautious. Eratic sleep patterns are the most prominet side effect to this point from phera.

Back pumps continue to be mild. I notice them when the pace at work is fast and during deadlifts/BO rows. Otherwise, they're a non issue. TheBigT says to think of them as "growing pains." I love the way that man thinks

As discussed with pistonpump, my mind is tryign to convince me that I have some nipple activity occuring. I'm pretty sure this is just placebo paranoia.

Finally, I've had some trouble concentrating a few times over the past week I've also noticed that I've been a bit clumsy. This is VERY unlike me. It's not significant enough to cause alarm, but I will be aware of these symptoms over the next few days.

Diet has been as good, if not better than it's ever been. I'm taking in 325-375g protein per day, 225-275g carbs, and 50-70g fat. My opinion is that phera is NOT a wet compound. However, if you have a "wet" diet (see stuffering your face like a hog with carbs) you will certainly look wet.

My opinion to this point is that phera is very mild with minimal side effects. At the week 3 juncture, I prefer the ON feeling from halo and believe the gains were more pronounced from halo to this point. I will continue to compare these 2 compounds, obviously because they are my only 2 experiences with hormonal products

THIS is the most apparent effect to me with phera, even when I can lift heavier weight normally or on a compound it seems i can lift it BUT it still feels heavy.... this was not the case with phera, It just felt EASY, moving up in weight was fast and didnt feel a bit heavier then the lower weight the week before... it really is a crazy nice compound, being so damn anabolic (one of the highest anabolic profiles out there) all the while still providing typically androgenic benifits with very little of the sides.

[poopypants]

Originally Posted by celc5

My opinion to this point is that phera is very mild with minimal side effects. At the week 3 juncture, I prefer the ON feeling from halo and believe the gains were more pronounced from halo to this point. I will continue to compare these 2 compounds, obviously because they are my only 2 experiences with hormonal products

I have to say your assesment may very well be factual, Ive never ran Halodrol (had the original and was foolish enough to sell it) but you do ned to remember with your assesment/comparison that Halo was your first compound ever and thus typically you can get some insane efects from it if everything else is in order (diet/routine) wich is apparent you do. Just a thought i wanted to throw out there.... maybe if you had the chance to run halo again after this then you cuold get the best comparison possible... but still nice to hear what your feelings are on this as Im still looking to pick up some Hdrol while its still around to run sometime far off in the future...

does anyone know wich clone it is thats supposed to be an exact replica as the first Hdrol 50 complete with DMT and everything? I heard there was one but i cant remember wich for the life of me.

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by poopypants

Easy you mind helping me break down the differences between class one and class 2's? Is this in specific reference to different types of receptors we have or reference to the compound itself? Does this mean ones that bind to the AR and ones that mostly dont bind to inact theyre effect? or is this purely another way of saying more androgenic or anabolic... im not sure what this means obviously.

There are 2 classes based on receptors i believe. the class Is have strong affinity + bind directly to the androgen receptor, the class IIs come from non-androgen receptor effects. most of our current orals are class II.

Originally Posted by Bill Roberts

If one prefers, Class I steroids may be defined as those binding well to the androgen receptor, while Class II steroids are those which do not, yet have good anabolic effect.

[poopypants]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

There are 2 classes based on receptors i believe. the class Is have strong affinity + bind directly to the androgen receptor, the class IIs come from non-androgen receptor effects. most of our current orals are class II.

thats good to know.... Epi is def a class one then... means its probably a great stack with most others... gotta love it.

any idea what phera is?

[EasyEJL]

Ori