[bassgod272]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

hil-****in-larious. So the b6 would help combat prolactin while at the same time reducing the effectiveness of the androgen in the first place? that sucks.

haha, that is exactly what i said when i read that. "Dopamine serves as the major prolactin-inhibiting factor or brake on prolactin secretion. Dopamine is secreted into portal blood by hypothalamic neurons, binds to receptors on lactotrophs, and inhibits both the synthesis and secretion of prolactin. Agents and drugs that interfere with dopamine secretion or receptor binding lead to enhanced secretion of prolactin." That is a quote from:

http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks...prolactin.html

Oh and by the way, i'm good on the cabergoline. I'm looking for alternatives here. Also, i'm not even gonna ask where, but i cant find it for under 175 bucks.

[EctoPower]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

dopamine is definitely a "soft" prolactin inhibitor. what I mean is that it is effective if you start early as it will help stop the climb of prolactin. If you already have high prolactin and are starting to see sides, you are better off finding cabergoline. there are places around that i've seen it under $50.

I added superdrol to my cycle today, pondering starting IGF-2 or bulk powerfull/1-carboxy (I have all 3 here ) today as well for this purpose

Easy, you have all 3 on hand? NO WAY! I'm STUNNED! I never would have guessed that you, of all people, would have EXTRA supplements!

[EctoPower]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

hil-****in-larious. So the b6 would help combat prolactin while at the same time reducing the effectiveness of the androgen in the first place? that sucks.

OK, but unless I completely missed it, there was no mention of dosage where this effect was measured. If major side effects of B6 supplementation show up in the 2-5g range (which is a f*cking TON of B6, BTW), at what dosage do the prolactin benefits and/or androgen interference show up?

Ideally, if 100-200mg of B6 helps combat prolactin and is not enough to interfere with androgens, that would be perfect. 100mg per pill is a common B6 dosage.

Who's on this? Celc? Get researching man!

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by EctoPower

Easy, you have all 3 on hand? NO WAY! I'm STUNNED! I never would have guessed that you, of all people, would have EXTRA supplements!

I think i'll have some LG I-gh-1 soon too I think thats all the l-dopa I have. ah wait, lipotrophin am + pm both do, and so does somnidren.

l-dopa, i'm soaking in it!

[celc5]

Fellas, B6 and prolactin are on my agenda for some time this weekend. Also something to ponder, I believe the prolactin issue with phera is speculation with no concrete evidence (other than maybe 1 bizarre case that I've heard of) to support this connection.

Day 12

I might be noticing the first signs of side-effect today. The back had some mild cramps during deadlifts and BB rows. This is no where near what I felt on halo, but nonetheless, the writing is on the wall. I will add in calcium, potassium, and additonal 2 more grams of taurine in hopes of prevention. Water is already at 2 gallons and I can't possibly drink any more so F it... I can handle the pumps.

Strength increase was notable today with increased weight and some extra unexpected repetitions on all lifts. Libido, mood, and joints have all been pleasantly unaffected to this point.

[EasyEJL]

get any chest hair shedding on this or prior cycle? i'm not loosing any on my head, seem to be loosing some on my chest (not really a problem either )

[EctoPower]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

get any chest hair shedding on this or prior cycle? i'm not loosing any on my head, seem to be loosing some on my chest (not really a problem either )

This sounds good to me! I'm losing the hair on my head all by itself, but the rest of me is f*ckin BEAR! I could go for some chest shedding!

[bassgod272]

Originally Posted by pembroke3355

As long as you were not murdering people in your dreams but just pounding them than i say keep rocking bro

Not to sound crazy or anything, but what if you DID murder people in your dream? Last night i had this crazy weird dream and i did kill a few people in it. I'm currently a few weeks from the end of my epistane pulse cycle and i'm also taking bulk 1-carboxy before bed. I DEF. have never dreampth anything like this before. Any thoughts as to what's goin on? The dream seemed SCARY real too.

[EasyEJL]

on the b6/prolactin thing, it looks like b6 from p-5-p is the way to go. Regular b6 can cause toxicity issues of its own if dosed high, p-5-p ones dont. I have 300 25mg tabs on the way, to dose at somewhere between 100-200mg a day

[celc5]

Fellas, I don't believe there are DHT receptors around chest hair. You better check to see if you have some radio active material lying around causing that hair to fall out

Bassgod, yes, just about every sleep aid that I take makes me dream so violently that it wakes me up in a cold sweat/panic attack. This is particularly true with ZMA and usually forces me to drop ZMA from my supplement lineup. I have never tried powerful/bulk carboxyl because the drastically mixed reviews. Also, the fellas over at supplement boards just RAVE over lipotrophin pm, in an "underrated supplements" thread.

Day 14

Two Week Roundup

198.8 at 16.3%. I'm up 2.5 pounds this week, a total of 5 pounds, and minimal change in bodyfat. There is slight water retention in the belly area that I believe is skewing abdominal skinfolds. Chest and thigh skinfolds are slowly decreasing. I prefer 7 point skinfold for more accurately assess overall comp change but want to stay consistent with my measuring methods.

Libido has actually INCREASED over the past 2-3 days. Performance in the bedroom has been average to slightly enhanced. Although, I only got laid twice this week, which is a slow week for me. There is no indication of testicular atrophy.

The rest of the very mild sides are listed in post #2.

To this point, I am quite anxious for this second gear to kick in. I'm not disappointed with 2.5 pounds per week, so don't misinterpret my statement. However, I do believe that halo kicked in a bit faster for me by this point in the cycle. I've done some more research, and discussed dosage with 2 or 3 experienced phera users. Consensus leads me to believe that 40-60mg is the "sweet spot" for dosing. So, I'm ramping to 40mgs for week 3.

[pistonpump]

im late but great looking log. reps for that. Looks like its treating you well, told you so. This week is going to be the best of the cycle, watch.

[celc5]

Originally Posted by pistonpump

im late but great looking log. reps for that. Looks like its treating you well, told you so. This week is going to be the best of the cycle, watch.

He11 ya bro! You definately had some posts that got me psyched about phera! Wathca think about the dosage? It looks like it'll turn out to be 20/30/40/40/40

I don't have enough in my stash to run it any higher. Quite frankly, I think that 40, rather than 50 or 60mg, will make for a smoother post cycle recovery

[pistonpump]

Originally Posted by celc5

He11 ya bro! You definately had some posts that got me psyched about phera! Wathca think about the dosage? It looks like it'll turn out to be 20/30/40/40/40

I don't have enough in my stash to run it any higher. Quite frankly, I think that 40, rather than 50 or 60mg, will make for a smoother post cycle recovery

Honestly i probably have more exp. than you with cycles and im scared to go up to the 60mg range. Im on 35mg now and its the most ive ever done. Your dosages look good.

[Irish Cannon]

I wouldn't ever go above 40mg on a Phera-plex cycle. Beyond that, the side effects will far outweigh the benefits.

Everything looks good. Have fun with it.