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    Alright! about to start a new cycle on T1 PRO


    What's up guys

    I plan on beginning a cycle soon as my T1 PRO order goes through... I've used prohormones before, I'm 22 years old now...

    before I used a combo of Androspray from Ergopharm and ONE from Avant Labs... worked pretty well for me; tho they were in beginner doses; with beginner results
    was doing ~100mg/day of ONE and bout 300mg/day of 4-AD

    gonna bump that up some

    My cycle will consist of T1 PRO for the first 3-4 weeks (depending on how the lethargy hits me, dosage was too low last time to make a big impact), and then to buy an additional bottle of T4 to add more 4-AD to combat the lethargy.

    Going to bump the dosage to 200mg/day of 1-test (corresponding 4-AD would be 100mg/day; Androspray didn't have as high of an absorption either)
    when I order the T4, I'll bump the 1-test dosage up to 250mg/day and probably have the 4-AD at 400-450mg/day.

    My diet will consist of 4-5 meals per day; one or two being Nlarge2 shakes with 3 cups of 2% milk; this allows 76g of protein in one serving. Right now I'm finishing off my Lean Matrix by Prolab... stuff tastes great btw.

    Going to keep details of my cycle here I'm a little guy; I weigh in around 150lbs now. Earlier in the year I got to 163lbs with creatine and couldn't gain any weight; even with plateau busters. So I'm here to push through that plateau... I would like to hit 170lbs in this cycle; but I'll be happy with 165

    Talk to ya later guys

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    Keep up updated................Good Luck

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    Eat more, less shakes
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    Looks good. One thing you may want ot do is break up  those 1-2 shakes into 2-4 so you are not getting so much protien at once. I think your body can only absorb 50g at a time but i coould be wrong.. Talk to ya...
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    just wondering...
    why don't you wanna use higher dosage of 4ad right from the beginning?
    100mg is really low? are you aiming for strictly lean gains? I mean if you add a high dosage right from the get go, your overall gains will be quite a bit higher, adn you can just go on a cut cycle after doing some post cycle therapy, and you will notice that you gain quite a bit more muscle than on a low dose of 4ad.

    The reason i say this, is because me and my friend started on PH cycel roughly at the same time.....
    i was using 400mg 4ad/day and he used 150 mg/day, i have put on about 5 extra lbs, and its on day 14.

    IMO, if you want to bulk, add a higher dose of 4ad right from the get go.
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    Originally posted by curt2go
    I think your body can only absorb 50g at a time but i coould be wrong..
    Nobody knows how much your body can handle at one time. There is more than 50 grams in a large steak..................I think it really depends on the person.

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    Originally posted by Bone


    Nobody knows how much your body can handle at one time. There is more than 50 grams in a large steak..................I think it really depends on the person.

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    50 g is the upper end for "most" people. It does depend on person to person, but 50g is near the upper end per meal.
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    Thats it Bone you undermine me and your cut off... hehehehe.  Good point... I wonder if anyone has some info on how much protein is too much at one time...
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    Originally posted by Kay


    50 g is the upper end for "most" people. It does depend on person to person, but 50g is near the upper end per meal.
    Wheres the reasearch done on this matter? I have yet to see a truth to this "you can only take in so much at one time" talk. I'll Ive seen is people saying you can take in this much,or that much.................WHERES THE PROOF?

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    you can eat as much as you want per meal, just to be sure, I know people eat about 70g protein per meal, just so that is not their deficiency. But they also end up eating close to 350g of protein per day.
    I mean it depends, and it takes a lot of years to find out what the optimal range is for yourself, but if you ask a nutritionist, 40 g can be efficiently absorbed, 50g - 60 g you are pushing it, anything above is just a waste.

    But hey, whatever works, and if you can afford that much food and supplements, there is nothing stopping you.
    Just make sure to take the liver tabs (just like YJ tells you to)
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    also,
    i think it would depend on how many carbs you are consuming with it as well, cause the digestive system can only handle so much.....

    I don't know about the research, but I took a few nutrition courses and 50g seems to be the upper end. Maybe YJ knows of some research on it, his input can be more valuable.
    But i am sure the limiting factor is probably the digestive enzymes, and they are probably similar for people with similar body weights.
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    Originally posted by Kay
    40 g can be efficiently absorbed, 50g - 60 g you are pushing it, anything above is just a waste.
    But HOW do you know this (or prove this) Im not trying to start a fight with you................I just want proof to all the talk. Can anybody help up out on this subject?

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    Yeh lets just get this figured out I am iterested in this as well.... Talk to ya...
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    Originally posted by Bone


    But HOW do you know this (or prove this) Im not trying to start a fight with you................I just want proof to all the talk. Can anybody help up out on this subject?

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    Oh.............I go bare knucles bro

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    kickass; I haven't been in a fight in a while I'm a mean little scrapper leg/hip strength goes a long way; especially with that right hook

    Chemo suggested I use the T1... I'm just worried about supplies running out too fast and too much water weight...(i like true mass that won't go away)
    Big on a budget; I'd rather spend less if i can

    Prolly gonna use 6-oxo once I come off; hope it helps with keeping the weight up.

    As far as protein per sitting; I could see my body react from going from 50g to 70g... might have been the carb increase...

    I do eat more the shakes enable me to do this because they expand my stomach to mammoth proportions (for my size anyway hehe)... i try to cram as much (decently healthy food) as I can...

    Last cycle I was prolly downing 4000cals a day on average... didn't gain any fat benefits of being an ectomorph

    thx for the input guys
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    i have a question about workout frequency

    my normal workouts have consisted of 3 workouts a week with one major muscle group focus on each day with compound exercises and finishing them off with isolation excersises...

    should I increase the frequency? I know I should continue to lift heavy with low reps; curious if i wanted to focus on chest, if I should do inclines one day and declines 4 days later (on the 3rd session of the week) or if I should combined both into one workout...

    i'm going for chest strength and size increase as well as arms (legs always increase in size, never had any problem with them; and my back always bristles when the rest of me is in full swing)

    was told that people on PHs and roids should increase their workout frequency since they have enhanced recovery time
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    Ok; got T1 PRO in instead of T1; but thats cool; i wanted to run a bit longer cycle anyway Just ordered some T4 (christmas bonus check kicks ass) and gonna use that too

    T1 Pro I'll be using 1.5 squirts 2x a day
    this yields ~250mg per day of 1-test and 125mg per day of 4-AD

    T4 I'll be using 1.5 squirts 2x a day
    this yields 300mg/day more of 4-AD;

    leaving me a total of 425mg/day of 4-AD

    this will last roughly 6 weeks

    Is this enough 4-AD? or should I increase it some?

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    Workout regimen; critique it for me guys; gonna have a warmup on each exercise of course

    Session 1
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    1)Flat barbell/Decline dumbells bench(when my set comes in) 3 sets, 6-8 reps, 4-6 reps, 2-4 reps
    2)Incline bench barbell/dumbells, 3 sets 6-8 reps, 4-6 reps, 2-4 reps, burnout set, isolation with flat flyes
    3)Behind-the-back wrist curls 2 sets, each till i can't stand the burning anymore
    4)Weighted crunches with 100deg leg angle, 3 sets to failure (less than 15 reps apiece)

    Session 2
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    1)Parallel Squats, 4sets, 8-10,6-8,4-6,2-4 reps on sets, burnout set, isolation with leg presses to failure before 12 reps
    2)Stiff-legged deadlifts, 4sets, same, burnout, isolation with hamstring curls to failure before 12 reps
    3)Calf raises, stripset of 5 up, 5 down with 30sec pause in between
    4)Reverse Incline situps, 4 sets to failure

    Session 3
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    1)Weighted Wide grip pullups, 3 sets, 8-10,6-8,4-6
    2)Weighted Bardips, 4 sets, 8-10,6-8,4-6,2-4; isolation exercise with tricep pushdown to failure before 12 reps
    3)Bent over rows (barbell or dumbells), 4 sets, same as 2, isolation exercise on latbar pulldowns to failure before 12 reps
    4)Barbell/ez-bar curls 4 supersets, barbell then reverse grip on ez-bar; then rest 3min inbetween sets; 6-8,4-6,2-4,1-2
    5)Same as session 1 crunches

    Do I need anything here guys? 2-3min rest between each set... this is my workout A... gonna switch things up i think when I go off my cycle; just to shock my body and keep it goin
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    Originally posted by Bean
    Ok; got T1 PRO in instead of T1; but thats cool; i wanted to run a bit longer cycle anyway Just ordered some T4 (christmas bonus check kicks ass) and gonna use that too

    T1 Pro I'll be using 1.5 squirts 2x a day
    this yields ~250mg per day of 1-test and 125mg per day of 4-AD

    T4 I'll be using 1.5 squirts 2x a day
    this yields 300mg/day more of 4-AD;

    leaving me a total of 425mg/day of 4-AD

    this will last roughly 6 weeks

    Is this enough 4-AD? or should I increase it some?

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    Workout regimen; critique it for me guys; gonna have a warmup on each exercise of course

    Session 1
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    1)Flat barbell/Decline dumbells bench(when my set comes in) 3 sets, 6-8 reps, 4-6 reps, 2-4 reps
    2)Incline bench barbell/dumbells, 3 sets 6-8 reps, 4-6 reps, 2-4 reps, burnout set, isolation with flat flyes
    3)Behind-the-back wrist curls 2 sets, each till i can't stand the burning anymore
    4)Weighted crunches with 100deg leg angle, 3 sets to failure (less than 15 reps apiece)

    Session 2
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    1)Parallel Squats, 4sets, 8-10,6-8,4-6,2-4 reps on sets, burnout set, isolation with leg presses to failure before 12 reps
    2)Stiff-legged deadlifts, 4sets, same, burnout, isolation with hamstring curls to failure before 12 reps
    3)Calf raises, stripset of 5 up, 5 down with 30sec pause in between
    4)Reverse Incline situps, 4 sets to failure

    Session 3
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    1)Weighted Wide grip pullups, 3 sets, 8-10,6-8,4-6
    2)Weighted Bardips, 4 sets, 8-10,6-8,4-6,2-4; isolation exercise with tricep pushdown to failure before 12 reps
    3)Bent over rows (barbell or dumbells), 4 sets, same as 2, isolation exercise on latbar pulldowns to failure before 12 reps
    4)Barbell/ez-bar curls 4 supersets, barbell then reverse grip on ez-bar; then rest 3min inbetween sets; 6-8,4-6,2-4,1-2
    5)Same as session 1 crunches

    Do I need anything here guys? 2-3min rest between each set... this is my workout A... gonna switch things up i think when I go off my cycle; just to shock my body and keep it goin

    425 mg of 4ad is fine ........

    I am a big advocate of higher volumes, especially on PH's. I go for 6 days/week no problems ..... and i ahve done that without PH's...

    Also, again this is only my opinion, but its a very educated one cause i have my AFLCA cert here and i have trained quite a few people at the gym i work at (you listening BRKonnan), but for hypertrophy, slightly higher number of reps (8-12) with low rest periods (60-90seconds) is more benificial!

    but if you see good results with low reps, stick to it...
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    Originally posted by Kay


    I am a big advocate of higher volumes, especially on PH's. I go for 6 days/week no problems ..... and i ahve done that without PH's...

    for hypertrophy, slightly higher number of reps (8-12) with low rest periods (60-90seconds) is more benificial!

    but if you see good results with low reps, stick to it...
    I totally agree on your take on training volume/frequency (on or off ph's). many believe one would overtrain if they workout hard more that4-5 days a week but im huge on the idea of
    listening to your body. If it says take it easy, then take a day or two off. If its telling you, that you good to go, workout man.
    Also, i think i read your thoughts on reps for the most benificial for hypertrophy, but i still stay firm on a bit lower range of 6 to 8-9 reps.
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    Originally posted by Bean 
    "Do I need anything here guys? 2-3min rest between each set... this is my workout A... gonna switch things up i think when I go off my cycle; just to shock my body and keep it goin <IMG alt="" src="http://www.bdcnutrition.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" border=0>"&nbsp;
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    This would be a better workout during your post-cycle, rather than on-cycle. An increased frequency, increased volume would be better on cycle. The workout listed post-cycle would be great, because you could lower volume and frequency, but keep weights high, which is a key component of maintaing gains.


    Originally posted by Kay


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    I am a big advocate of higher volumes, especially on PH's. I go for 6 days/week no problems ..... and i ahve done that without PH's...

    Also, again this is only my opinion, but its a very educated one cause i have my AFLCA cert here and i have trained quite a few people at the gym i work at (you listening BRKonnan), but for hypertrophy, slightly higher number of reps (8-12) with low rest periods (60-90seconds) is more benificial!

    but if you see good results with low reps, stick to it...

    (Hehe, I'm not gonna try to take over another thread with ya Kay....)

    Just adding in that I completely agree, increased frequency is very important. Muscles, while repairing their microtrauma, can be re-torn, and produce better growth then if they fully recuperated and then were torn down again. Attacking a group more often is better, just make sure you don't out-train your CNS. But, you said strength training is of importance as well, so go with a reasonable volume... test for reps that work (theres plenty of articles on how to do this) when you're natural&nbsp;and increase for PH supplementation, and up that frequency! (Basically whats been said already, just giving it all another plug )

    If you solely were interested in hypertrophy, it would be another matter entirely, but Kay has given good suggestions for a balance of strength and hypertrophy, as you said you wanted
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    so do more sets or more reps or both?
    and i'll try and increase the workouts to 5 times a week and see how i do

    i want maximum weight and strength gain here
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    Originally posted by Bean
    so do more sets or more reps or both?
    and i'll try and increase the workouts to 5 times a week and see how i do

    i want maximum weight and strength gain here
    training for strength is slightly different that training for hypertrophy, although they are not completely exclusive there are slight differences.
    For hypertrophy you wanna increase volume and lower your rest periods, while keeping your reps at 8-12. For sets, the volume may be decreased, and the rest should be long enough to allow for full recovers between sets (2-5 minutes) and the reps should be lower (2-6).

    So pick one, and go for it !

    Training Volume = # of reps X # of sets X training intensity (weight lifted)

    You can increase training volume per session by chaning one or all three of those factors.
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    Worked out today and yesterday; began taking T1 PRO on Thurs 12/5

    Thurs did incline and flat bench; each 3 sets with 4-6 reps, bench has gone down to around 145lbs max on flat in these 3 weeks off (OUCH)
    also did behind the back wrist curls with 2 sets to failure, and flat flyes with 3 sets all to failure before 8 reps... pretty good workout; saw how my strength had decresed...

    On Fri I did Wide-grip pullups, standing upright rows, standing bent-over rows, weighted bar dips, and supersets of curls...
    wore myself the **** out
    then to top it off I had to go unload the truck where I work; some nice heavy work moving 32-65" TVs and other heavy stuff around...

    As for effectiveness; heh... Didn't notice much of anything on Thursday; very understandable... but I wasn't expecting to see anything on Friday... pumps are DEFINITELY up now... my arms were just frigging huge lol...
    and my girlfriend started pointing out that I'm already more aggressive... i'm getting pissed off easy; and i can tell its not normal...
    doubt its placebo... but we'll see...

    just took my late-night protein and vit C
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    I'm doing a new workout by suggestion of people on this thread and some info from some articles

    its gonna be a 4 session week instead of 3... and I'm doing more volume with more exercises

    about to go work legs; T4 came in today

    talk to you guys later
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    wow; this stuff works great

    sunday I was at 153lbs

    today I was at 156lbs

    thats about 11lbs in 5 days; some from muscle memory... i can't wait to work out again tomorrow (today was off day)
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    Originally posted by Bean
    wow; this stuff works great

    sunday I was at 153lbs

    today I was at 156lbs

    thats about 11lbs in 5 days; some from muscle memory... i can't wait to work out again tomorrow (today was off day)
    eleven lbs in 5 days my friend??!!!? thats ridiculous. that might be the best weight gain ive seen thus far on this board for a week or less time frame. t1pro of course helps but im imagining your calories are out of this world (compared to pre-transdermal use)? good stuff kid, keep that up.
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    Originally posted by Bean
    wow; this stuff works great

    sunday I was at 153lbs

    today I was at 156lbs

    thats about 11lbs in 5 days; some from muscle memory... i can't wait to work out again tomorrow (today was off day)
    i am no math wiz, but that's 3 lbs, 156 - 153 = 3 ......

    how the heck do you get 11??? are you using imaginary numbers again?
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    i started at 145 last wednesday

    for some reason today; the application sites are burning hasn't bothered me before at all
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    i almost scared myself today in the mirror...

    i always look at myself in the mirror to judge size changes; i'm pretty good at noticing slight changes in myself (as most people should be when bbing)

    i've seen how big i looked back when i first started lifting; like when you flex all major muscles in the body... i thought i was big...

    i get back from doing back workouts and a little DE benching... all the back exercises worked my biceps a tad too; so it had a decent pump; as well as everything else just from a typical workout....

    i grimaced and looked hard in the mirror; raised my arms and flexed everything... my veins started popping out everywhere! my vascularity has increased dramatically; especially on the main veins running up my forearms...

    i saw more progress just by looking in the mirror today and messing around than ever before i'm glad that a lot of this hardwork as paid off over this year... if other things hadn't sidetracked me i'd prolly be close to 200lbs by now... but sadly not everything goes according to plan (or anywhere near it)

    but today is the day i realized hard work does pay off; because i've got these old pictures of what i used to look like this past January... and i see what i've become and the confidence and improved attitude i've received... and i'm glad i started doing this

    i am going to hit 200lbs before april though; with 10% bodyfat or better... mark my words...

    didn't mean for this thread to become so soft... but i hope its motivational somewhat

    i certainly got my attitude boosted today; and i'm only now approaching 160lbs... i hope 175lbs is doable after 6 weeks guys... what do you think?
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    GOod luck bean.


    Haha bean is telling the truth guys. I know him from another board and he was able to put on 8 lbs of lbm naturally with only creatine in his firt week. Now that he is closer to that original weight weight comes on fast again with some aid


    Hey bean i just ordered some fina hehehe. HOpefully they won't ask for cow receipts. That stuff is so damn expensive and all so i only ordered enough for 3 weeks worth(4 grams) and im gonna put 8 grams of 4-AD in it too. What im gonna do is take week off then im gonna start ONE+ for aweek to get the weight back i lost from the 1 week break and also to et the 4-AD and stuff in my system. Then im gonna start the fina transdermal with the PH gel from herre with the DMSO added. Im going for ABOUT 175 mg of fina transdermally with 40 percent absorption that will be around 70mg of fina which is a very good amount.
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    wow... wearing a t-shirt i haven't worn in two weeks... i'm almost too big for it (fits very tight, girlfriend likes it tho)

    getting stupid crazy libido increases... girlfriend likes that too

    weight is hovering around 157-158lbs... getting close to the magic number of 160... i think 175 is doable in 5 more weeks
    this is just the first week lol
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    eating like a mofo and a half!
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    heh; weighed myself this morning

    160lbs
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    wow; this two compound exercise thing per bodypart is KILLER... but it works on this stuff i think i'd be dead without it

    my shoulder, tri, and lat focus has paid off some... i had stopped working out completely for 3.5 weeks... and my bench had dropped from a 170max to around 135max...

    last monday it had bumped up to around 145 or so... and now by the calculators its gone up to 165... and my sticking point is not 2 inches off my chest anymore; its about 6 inches off my chest... which i'm assuming is delts... still catching those up; i rarely worked them before anyway (i know, shame shame)

    anyway; my curls have gone up about 10lbs over what i was maxxing at before in my previous cycle (mainly because of this new workout)
    i'm doing two supersets for biceps hehe; utterly destroying them; in fact its hard to lift the glass to drink the grape juice and quick digesting protein

    anyway; workout was killer today; i wonder how fast i can cycle off of it with 6-oxo to be ready for more? couple threads i've read have told me 4-6 weeks and i'm golden... so i dunno; i'll have to see...

    no side effects thus far except mild acne and burning/iritation when i apply within 5 min of showering (skin is really hot i guess)
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    If you only do a 4 or 5 week cycle( i recommend 4 with 1-test usually) then with 6-OXO at high dosages for a few days then moderate for AT LEAST 2 1/2 more weeks youll have your test production almost 100 percent in 4-5 weeks total. It probably takes a while even with 6-OXO for awhile to be 100 percent but youll be close enough.
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    ROOOAAARRR!!!

    Shoulder presses have gone up a whopping 45lbs max (at least that anyway) that just goes to show how much I DIDN'T work them before.

    i don't think i've really had a strength increase like that in such a short time...

    back on my last cycle, on the few times i did shoulder presses, my max was around 85lbs with about 2-3 reps...

    just did 3 sets at 115 at average of 8-9 reps per set... WOW
    yes i know its weak as hell; but i never worked em before and remember i'm a little dude at 160lbs at 6'2

    though i couldn't do my dips after that; so i'm switching up triceps exercises to occur in Session 3 and back exercises to occur in session 4... (back and shoulders prolly go together better anyways)
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    grrr

    weight has been going up and down all week

    peaked at 162lbs... sitting at 160lbs right now
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