BigVrunga/USPLabs - Get Ripped Or Die Tryin' - The NonHormonal Mega-Stack!
- 02-25-2006, 11:34 PM
I have a bottle of both sitting here and yeah, they are the same. The old Vapros had a deeper score that allowed them to break perfect every time and I swear they were stronger. Go with the less expensive, Biotek if I remember correctly.Recent log:http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/213350-lean-efx-refined.html
- 02-26-2006, 07:58 PM
I have a bottle of both sitting here and yeah, they are the same. The old Vapros had a deeper score that allowed them to break perfect every time and I swear they were stronger. Go with the less expensive, Biotek if I remember correctly.
Well, had planned a serious leg today BUT at 3:00pm I figured it was time for a nice nap. And at 7:45 (gym closes at 7!) I woke up somewhat guilty, but very refreshed Looks like Monday is leg day!!
Anyway, I think I am noticing a definitie increase in libido for he synergy/powerfull. My libidio is usually fine, but Im starting to feel like Im on a low dose of 4AD - just can't get it off my mind.
Also, I'm starting to get that 'all day pump' - which is interesting. The last time I stacked PowerFULL with CET and the pumps were just crazy, and when I used PF by itself I didnt notice too much at all. Now, running it with Synergy and Im definitely feeling more 'jacked' (not as much as the CET/PF combo yet, if I tried to quantify it Id say about 50% of that)
This is interesting because, if you check out my diet:
yesterday was a low calorie/low carb day:
and today, I havent got in that much food at all (although that's about to change real soon here)
Getting excited...I didnt expect to see any results within the first 3 days, honestly. Perhaps its just a placebo effect, but as this coming weeks unfolds Ill be sure. The rest of the stack will be here as well, looking very forward to that!
02-27-2006, 08:21 PM
looking good. im excited to see results!!!
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02-27-2006, 11:39 PM
FitDay Entry For Today:
Walking, 3.7mph, 30 min
Jerome Isma/Dee Productions (FriskyRadio Stream)
9pm, Weight Training
InFlames: Come Clairity
GodForbid: Constitution of Treason
135 x 15 (warm up)
225 x 15 (warm up)
325 x 10
335 x 10
355 x 9
405 x 5 (3/4 reps)
315 x 10
245 x 12
265 x 12
285 x 9
Smith Machine Lunges
135 x 12 (R) + 135 x 12 (L)
155 x 12 (L) + 155 x 12 (R)
175 x 10 (R) + 175 x 10 (L)
Standing Calf Press
(Stack + 140lbs) x 12
(Stack + 160lbs) x 10
(Stack + 160lbs) x 9
Leg Extensions + Leg Curl (superset)
140 x 15 + 140 x 15
150 x 15 + 150 x 15
150 x 15 + 150 x 15
10:15 pm, Cardio
Elliptical, 30 min
Jerome Isma/Dee Productions (FriskyRadio Stream)
Suprisingly, strength was up today, noticably. Usually, Ill do 315 x 12 for 3 sets on the squats and then go right to isolation training with lunges, single leg presses, etc. Today, when I loaded up 315 it felt...light. Real light! Since Ive cut down from 240, Ive lost some strength here and there, but most of my big lifts (except the bench, damn it!) have remained about the same...I may have lost a rep or two or the weight seems 'heavier', but I can still move it. Today, that squat bar felt as light as it did when i was 20+lbs heavier. 325,335,355 all just felt easy. At my strongest I could hit 405 for 5, and today just for the hell of it I loaded up 8 plates and did it for 3/4 reps just to see how it felt. It was heavy. But honestly if I started with it Im sure I could have got them for full reps. After the partial rep set, I dropped down to 315 and ~45 seconds later pumped out 11 reps with my feet ~shoulder width apart as fast and smooth as if it were 225!
Onto SLDLs. Im trying to ween myself off of straps on this exercise to increase grip strength. Usually, 265 will start slipping out of my hands around 8 reps. Today, that was 20lbs heavier.
The rest of the workout went really well, I just had a lot of power and energy. My cardiovascular training is really coming along - with good tunes on the Mp3 player I can just keep going and going, which is great. Im actually starting to like cardio, and I thought I'd never, ever, EVER say that
If you look at my diet for the past few days, ive actually been too low in cals, especially carbs. I didnt do a refeed over the weekend, and still I have a nice strength boost today. Im thinking this points toward the PowerFULL/Symmetry but as its only been 4 days Im not going to attribute it to the supps just yet. If strength continues to improve this week while in a caloric deficit, well then I guess Im going to be heading over to SynergyMuscle.com and picking me up a few more bottles of this stuff before the sale ends!!
Last edited by BigVrunga; 02-28-2006 at 12:04 AM.
02-28-2006, 12:17 AM
Probably should track measurements too:
(Done with a Myotape)
26" (Still not as big as Greg Valentino's arms, unfortunately)
L: 16.5" , R: 16"
Since Ive been cutting, Ive lost about 1" on all the major muscle measurements, and a good 4" off my waist.
I remember reading somewhere (I think it was an old BigCat article at bb.com) that "If you want to get cut, you're going to have to cash in on a lot of mass".
02-28-2006, 12:52 AM
Ya but a little bit of shredded goes a long way over a lot of round!
02-28-2006, 01:23 AM
You aint kiddin'! It took me a few years to get over that 'the scale has a big number on it so I must be big' mentality.Ya but a little bit of shredded goes a long way over a lot of round!
Now, I just want to be pretty
02-28-2006, 01:42 AM
I feel pretty, oh so pretty.
Thanks, now that song is stuck in my friggin head.
02-28-2006, 02:52 AM
If you're sensitive to stims you might want to go for 5 mg of ephedrine 2 times per day then go up as your tolerance dictates. It still burns fat just fine...especially with that jungle's worth of herbs you're taking.
02-28-2006, 07:33 AM
02-28-2006, 07:40 AM
I find powerfull gives a me definate increase in endurance. Certainly helps with the cardio amongst other things.Originally Posted by BigVrunga
Keep it going BigV
03-01-2006, 12:16 AM
Well, I ended up working on a project until nearly 4am, and ended up with about 4 hours of sleep. I woke with that nauseating "I need sleep or Im gonna die feeling"
All day at work was pretty rough, but after taking the fat burner I had enough pep to run for 30 minutes.
Felt like ass but still made it to the gym to work on chest...it was a disaster
Got in 4 sets of bench, it was down about 10lbs. (no doubt due to the lack of sleep)
Incline DB was about the same, but I didnt have the energy to get a full 10 reps with 100lbs DB's.
Funny thing is, about 30 minutes after getting to the gym (and about 1hr after taking PowerFULL/Symmetry) I felt my strength starting to kick in. I still hit 12 dips with 90lbs as my last exercise, and actually felt like I could have gone a lot further, but my dumb gym closes at 11pm so I had to leave. Crapola
I noticed this same effect the last time I tried PowerFULL as well. If its anything Im guilty of, its not getting enough sleep and at least a couple nights a week I might only get 4-5 hours. (bad, I know). When using PowerFULL, while I didnt see the impressive results others have seen until I stacked it with Rebound/Cissus, I did always seem to be able to pull through on those nights when I just felt like I should have stayed home
I think Im due for a good nights sleep and a refeed
One cool thing, I went to the gym with a friend I hadnt seen in a few weeks and he commented that I was looking much leaner. That was swell
Last edited by BigVrunga; 03-01-2006 at 12:34 AM.
03-01-2006, 12:23 AM
Keep it up man. Now GO TO BED!
03-01-2006, 06:38 PM
Hey BV, whats up bro! Havent been by here in a while. Good to see that you are getting good results so far! That seems like a pretty sick stack you have going there. You will definatley get down to your goal of 8%, just keep going full steam ahead, as that last little bit is allways the hardest to go, and that is when I have allways had to dig down and grab my pair, and go a little harder, LOL! As for the Biotek of Vasopro, I don't know if there is really any difference, as it is synthetic, but for some reason I "crash" harder and faster on the Biotek stuff! Any one else ever experience this? By the way, by crashing I mean my energy levels just crashing to the point where I can fall assleep right then and there. Also by doing like Bpmrtyr said with the E, it should avoid this crash , i think. I usaually just junp into it @25 mgs 3-2x's a day. I think I will start out low and increase slowly next time I use it, and see if it will deminish this effect. Anywho, great work to get where you are allready, and good luck with the rest of your cutting ! I will be following your progress.Originally Posted by BigVrunga
03-01-2006, 07:14 PM
03-02-2006, 02:00 PM
Thanks for the kind words guys, much appreciated!!
Yesterday, I took the day off. It was day 3 with 4-5 hours of sleep and I just couldnt take it anymore So I went to bed at ~9:30 pm, slept hard until about 8:00am. Amazing how different i feel after a good night's rest I am literally ready to tear **** up but I have to sit at my desk for another our or two before I can go run
I also barely made 2000 cals before I went to bed, but I suppose one low day isnt going ot hurt.
So this morning, I wake up and look in the mirror, and damn if I dont see some definite results at the end of my first week! My muscles do look 'fuller', and there has been some definite fat loss. Down to ~215lbs. I definitely think Ive made more progress toward my goals since starting the Herbal Bonanaza stack, although keep in mind Im also upping the cardio by 5 minutes per session ever week.
Also worth of mentioning, after 2 C2 Im not getting the 'rush' that I would when I'd take it sporadically. Obviously, my system is getting used to the continuous daily dosage. I may up it to 3 caps each morning starting next week.
CreEthylThunder, CissusRX, and Camphobolic all arrived yesterday. Ephedrine will be here today.
At then end of this month Ill be going on vacation for ~5 days, but as soon as I return Ill be right back at it. I should be less than 10% by then, I hope.
03-03-2006, 02:03 PM
Fitday Entry for 3/2/2006:
30 minutes cardio
jogging @ 5.7mph
None! My f*cking batteries were dead!
145 x 12
150 x 12
160 x 9
25s x 12
30s x 12
35s x 10
30s x 10
Reverese Pec Dec:
110 x 12
110 x 12
120 x 10
Hanging Leg Raise + Cable Crunch
20 + 15
18 + 12
15 + 12
Hanging Twisted Leg Raise
A project I was working on last night ran overtime, and i only had 30 minutes to workout. So I did Shoulders/Abs, and this will give me more time for Back today and Arms on Saturday.
Although seemlingly weak and paltry, the military press is actually up ~10 lbs from two weeks ago. Ive probably whined about it on the forum before, but I came down with a nasty case of shoulder impingement a while back and I just starting doing seated military presses again after about a 2 year layoff. As long as I warm up and stretch my shoulders, the workouts have been going great! I just cant work into the 'pain zone' without my rotator cuffs starting to burn, in a not-so-good way. So its all relatively high reps for delts, but they seem to be coming along OK. I wouldnt doubt if weak front delts are what's holding back my flat BB bench press.
Anyway, everythng's here now and I started the Ephedrine this morning, dosed 12.5mg with 2 caps of C2. Woah. I think I will be taking bioman's advice and going with 1/4 of a pill 2x per day. Ive also started Hawthorn berry in a preemptive strike against any BP woes from the stims. Granted, PowerFULL usually drops my BP ~10mm/HG but with all the stuff Im taking you never know. Ill be checking it every other day while Im using the ephedrine. Right now, sitting at my desk RHR is at 60BPM, which is right about normal.
Also, last night was also a 5-hour sleeper. Bad,bad,bad. My problem is that when I do get 8-10 hours of sleep, Im so full of energy that I just CANT go to sleep. Then Ill crash over the next 2-3 days sleeping 4-6 hours a night, and then have to make it up with a big nap on the weekend. Im getting a lot of sh*t done, but I just really need my sleep damnit!
03-03-2006, 06:05 PM
Jogging - ~6.0mph, 34min
As I Lay Dying - Shadows Are Security
I took 3 caps of the new cutter and 1/4 tab of Ephedrine, along with 24g of WheyProtien (in water) about an hour before heading down to the gym to run. Despite the lack of sleep, I felt like a machine. Just kept plugging away, even after 3 miles I didnt even feel tired, just invigorated. 6mg of Ephedrine is definitely the dose to start with! Thanks bioman
The fat is really dropping - there was no one down there so I took the opportunity to have a little pose down in front of all the mirrors Serratus are becoming visible, as well as the 'fingers' in the deltoids. Still have a good bit of chunk around the middle, but the love handles have gone down noticably. Im pretty tired, if I can't make it to the gym tonight Ill have to do arms/back/cardio tomorrow which will be ok, as its saturday. Either way, putting me at ~4 hrs of high-intensity weight training and ~3 hours of mid-intensity cardio for the week.
Thats nearly double my normal activity level. Along with the meticulous care to diet (check out those fitday graphs!!). So its no wonder Im dropping fat at an increased rate. I really do think the supplements are helping though...only negative I can see is that they seem to really be pulling the water out of me. Ive upped my intake to 2+ gallons starting today.
Last edited by BigVrunga; 03-03-2006 at 06:49 PM.
03-03-2006, 06:27 PM
BV you must be very sensitive to stims, I spit on 6 mg of eph. no but for real I which my receptors would go back to the days of Xenadrine RFA-1 when 6 caps a day made me drop 60lbs of fat...
03-03-2006, 06:52 PM
I really am. I do love my coffee, but 2-3 cups a day is more than enough. I also like to take breaks and cut the caffiene cold turkey for a few weeks at a time, just to let my CNS return to normal every so often.BV you must be very sensitive to stims, I spit on 6 mg of eph. no but for real I which my receptors would go back to the days of Xenadrine RFA-1 when 6 caps a day made me drop 60lbs of fat...
03-03-2006, 10:25 PM
Yeah I'm with you there brotha!! Ahhh, the good old days when I was still fresh...LOL!!!Originally Posted by Apowerz6
03-04-2006, 10:01 PM
Fitday Entry for today:
Back And Arms
Bent Over BB Row
225 x 10
235 x 10
245 x 8
225 x 9
Wide Grip Chins
(BW + 35lbs) x 8
BW x 12
BW x 10
BW x 10
Standing EZ Bar Curls
135 x 10
140 x 8
140 x 7 + 115 x 9 + 35lb DB's x 8 (drop set)
55s x 10
55s x 10
55s x 10
One DB Extensions (behind the head)
100 x 12
110 x 10
110 x 9
V-bar press down (machine)
8 x 12
9 x 12
10 x 10
10 x 8 + 6 x 8 (drop set)
85 x 12
85 x 12
85 x 12
10 min elliptical (ran out of time!)
As I Lay Dying - Shadows Are Security <--One awesome ****ing album!!
Weights werent up on the bicep exercises, but I did the rows and chins before hand so that's understandable. They werent down, either. The Bent over BB rows felt smooth and relatively easy at the weights I used, and on my 2nd day of CET the pumps are starting to take off. The 110DB dumbell on the extensions went smooth as well, all in all a great workout with some great pumps, the best yet! Im sure that, with the addition of the CET, the workouts will really take off this coming week.
A bit of cheat day for me as well, as the lady and I hit the Chinese Buffet up the street I didnt overly splurge on anything, stuck mainly to veggies and lean meats but I did throw a few pieces of General Tso's on there. How could I not?
My impressions of the PowerFULL/Symmetry only week are that its definitely effective, and that I can definitely feel an anabolic 'presence', albeit mild. Its only been about 9 days on the stack so far and Im progressing as I expected. Impressed, but not blown away at this point. The effects are about on par with the PF/Cissus/CET/Rebound stack I ran before, perhaps a bit stronger at 9 days in.
Im running ~15 miles a week, eating 500 cals below maitenence, and Im losing fat and strength is creeping up...this herbal cornocopia of anabolic pleansantries is definitely working.
Im leaving the 22nd of this month for a 5 day vacation, and Im not going to bring my supplement cabinet with me, I should have about a week left by then so Ill pick it up when I return.
Im also throwing around the idea of training for 2-3 weeks with just an EC stack and Cissus, and then running the DS NHA stack to see how it compares with this.
Last edited by BigVrunga; 03-04-2006 at 10:28 PM.
03-06-2006, 02:30 PM
2 things...dropping the stims over the weekend made me hungry as hell!! (hungry as normal, anyway.
Woke up Sunday morning to see some nipple puffiness which was none too pleasant. Ive upped the ReboundXT to 50mg/day. Interestingly, its not an itchyness/soreness that would normally accompany an estrogen issue. They just look a little puffy but the nipple itself looks slightly bigger and 'erect' (man thats too graphic). I remember SuperSoldier reporting a rise in Prolactin with PowerFULL use, I wonder if this is the cause.
03-06-2006, 02:52 PM
03-06-2006, 02:53 PM
well, at least I know something is going on..same thing happened with PowerFULL, I was hoping 25mg ATD was enough to stave it off - obviously isnt.
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