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  1. Ya but a little bit of shredded goes a long way over a lot of round!
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  2. Ya but a little bit of shredded goes a long way over a lot of round!
    You aint kiddin'! It took me a few years to get over that 'the scale has a big number on it so I must be big' mentality.

    Now, I just want to be pretty


  3. I feel pretty, oh so pretty.

    Thanks, now that song is stuck in my friggin head.
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  4. If you're sensitive to stims you might want to go for 5 mg of ephedrine 2 times per day then go up as your tolerance dictates. It still burns fat just fine...especially with that jungle's worth of herbs you're taking.

  5. Everything looks really good BV. Keep up the good work.


  6. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    The rest of the workout went really well, I just had a lot of power and energy. My cardiovascular training is really coming along - with good tunes on the Mp3 player I can just keep going and going, which is great. Im actually starting to like cardio, and I thought I'd never, ever, EVER say that

    I find powerfull gives a me definate increase in endurance. Certainly helps with the cardio amongst other things.

    Keep it going BigV

  7. Well, I ended up working on a project until nearly 4am, and ended up with about 4 hours of sleep. I woke with that nauseating "I need sleep or Im gonna die feeling"

    All day at work was pretty rough, but after taking the fat burner I had enough pep to run for 30 minutes.

    Felt like ass but still made it to the gym to work on was a disaster

    Got in 4 sets of bench, it was down about 10lbs. (no doubt due to the lack of sleep)

    Incline DB was about the same, but I didnt have the energy to get a full 10 reps with 100lbs DB's.

    Funny thing is, about 30 minutes after getting to the gym (and about 1hr after taking PowerFULL/Symmetry) I felt my strength starting to kick in. I still hit 12 dips with 90lbs as my last exercise, and actually felt like I could have gone a lot further, but my dumb gym closes at 11pm so I had to leave. Crapola

    I noticed this same effect the last time I tried PowerFULL as well. If its anything Im guilty of, its not getting enough sleep and at least a couple nights a week I might only get 4-5 hours. (bad, I know). When using PowerFULL, while I didnt see the impressive results others have seen until I stacked it with Rebound/Cissus, I did always seem to be able to pull through on those nights when I just felt like I should have stayed home

    I think Im due for a good nights sleep and a refeed

    One cool thing, I went to the gym with a friend I hadnt seen in a few weeks and he commented that I was looking much leaner. That was swell

    Last edited by BigVrunga; 03-01-2006 at 12:34 AM.

  8. Keep it up man. Now GO TO BED!
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    Sweet, then Ill go with the Biotek!! Thanks for the info.

    Well, had planned a serious leg today BUT at 3:00pm I figured it was time for a nice nap. And at 7:45 (gym closes at 7!) I woke up somewhat guilty, but very refreshed Looks like Monday is leg day!!

    Anyway, I think I am noticing a definitie increase in libido for he synergy/powerfull. My libidio is usually fine, but Im starting to feel like Im on a low dose of 4AD - just can't get it off my mind.

    Also, I'm starting to get that 'all day pump' - which is interesting. The last time I stacked PowerFULL with CET and the pumps were just crazy, and when I used PF by itself I didnt notice too much at all. Now, running it with Synergy and Im definitely feeling more 'jacked' (not as much as the CET/PF combo yet, if I tried to quantify it Id say about 50% of that)

    This is interesting because, if you check out my diet:

    yesterday was a low calorie/low carb day:

    and today, I havent got in that much food at all (although that's about to change real soon here)

    Getting excited...I didnt expect to see any results within the first 3 days, honestly. Perhaps its just a placebo effect, but as this coming weeks unfolds Ill be sure. The rest of the stack will be here as well, looking very forward to that!

    Hey BV, whats up bro! Havent been by here in a while. Good to see that you are getting good results so far! That seems like a pretty sick stack you have going there. You will definatley get down to your goal of 8%, just keep going full steam ahead, as that last little bit is allways the hardest to go, and that is when I have allways had to dig down and grab my pair, and go a little harder, LOL! As for the Biotek of Vasopro, I don't know if there is really any difference, as it is synthetic, but for some reason I "crash" harder and faster on the Biotek stuff! Any one else ever experience this? By the way, by crashing I mean my energy levels just crashing to the point where I can fall assleep right then and there. Also by doing like Bpmrtyr said with the E, it should avoid this crash , i think. I usaually just junp into it @25 mgs 3-2x's a day. I think I will start out low and increase slowly next time I use it, and see if it will deminish this effect. Anywho, great work to get where you are allready, and good luck with the rest of your cutting ! I will be following your progress.

  10. BV you look sick bro, good job keep it up!!!

  11. Thanks for the kind words guys, much appreciated!!

    Yesterday, I took the day off. It was day 3 with 4-5 hours of sleep and I just couldnt take it anymore So I went to bed at ~9:30 pm, slept hard until about 8:00am. Amazing how different i feel after a good night's rest I am literally ready to tear **** up but I have to sit at my desk for another our or two before I can go run

    I also barely made 2000 cals before I went to bed, but I suppose one low day isnt going ot hurt.

    So this morning, I wake up and look in the mirror, and damn if I dont see some definite results at the end of my first week! My muscles do look 'fuller', and there has been some definite fat loss. Down to ~215lbs. I definitely think Ive made more progress toward my goals since starting the Herbal Bonanaza stack, although keep in mind Im also upping the cardio by 5 minutes per session ever week.

    Also worth of mentioning, after 2 C2 Im not getting the 'rush' that I would when I'd take it sporadically. Obviously, my system is getting used to the continuous daily dosage. I may up it to 3 caps each morning starting next week.

    CreEthylThunder, CissusRX, and Camphobolic all arrived yesterday. Ephedrine will be here today.

    At then end of this month Ill be going on vacation for ~5 days, but as soon as I return Ill be right back at it. I should be less than 10% by then, I hope.


  12. Fitday Entry for 3/2/2006:

    30 minutes cardio
    jogging @ 5.7mph

    None! My f*cking batteries were dead!

    Training (10:30PM)

    Military Press
    145 x 12
    150 x 12
    160 x 9

    Lateral Raise
    25s x 12
    30s x 12
    35s x 10
    30s x 10

    Reverese Pec Dec:
    110 x 12
    110 x 12
    120 x 10

    Hanging Leg Raise + Cable Crunch
    20 + 15
    18 + 12
    15 + 12

    Hanging Twisted Leg Raise
    12R, 12L
    12R, 12L
    12R, 12L


    A project I was working on last night ran overtime, and i only had 30 minutes to workout. So I did Shoulders/Abs, and this will give me more time for Back today and Arms on Saturday.

    Although seemlingly weak and paltry, the military press is actually up ~10 lbs from two weeks ago. Ive probably whined about it on the forum before, but I came down with a nasty case of shoulder impingement a while back and I just starting doing seated military presses again after about a 2 year layoff. As long as I warm up and stretch my shoulders, the workouts have been going great! I just cant work into the 'pain zone' without my rotator cuffs starting to burn, in a not-so-good way. So its all relatively high reps for delts, but they seem to be coming along OK. I wouldnt doubt if weak front delts are what's holding back my flat BB bench press.

    Anyway, everythng's here now and I started the Ephedrine this morning, dosed 12.5mg with 2 caps of C2. Woah. I think I will be taking bioman's advice and going with 1/4 of a pill 2x per day. Ive also started Hawthorn berry in a preemptive strike against any BP woes from the stims. Granted, PowerFULL usually drops my BP ~10mm/HG but with all the stuff Im taking you never know. Ill be checking it every other day while Im using the ephedrine. Right now, sitting at my desk RHR is at 60BPM, which is right about normal.

    Also, last night was also a 5-hour sleeper. Bad,bad,bad. My problem is that when I do get 8-10 hours of sleep, Im so full of energy that I just CANT go to sleep. Then Ill crash over the next 2-3 days sleeping 4-6 hours a night, and then have to make it up with a big nap on the weekend. Im getting a lot of sh*t done, but I just really need my sleep damnit!


  13. Cardio
    Jogging - ~6.0mph, 34min

    As I Lay Dying - Shadows Are Security

    I took 3 caps of the new cutter and 1/4 tab of Ephedrine, along with 24g of WheyProtien (in water) about an hour before heading down to the gym to run. Despite the lack of sleep, I felt like a machine. Just kept plugging away, even after 3 miles I didnt even feel tired, just invigorated. 6mg of Ephedrine is definitely the dose to start with! Thanks bioman

    The fat is really dropping - there was no one down there so I took the opportunity to have a little pose down in front of all the mirrors Serratus are becoming visible, as well as the 'fingers' in the deltoids. Still have a good bit of chunk around the middle, but the love handles have gone down noticably. Im pretty tired, if I can't make it to the gym tonight Ill have to do arms/back/cardio tomorrow which will be ok, as its saturday. Either way, putting me at ~4 hrs of high-intensity weight training and ~3 hours of mid-intensity cardio for the week.

    Thats nearly double my normal activity level. Along with the meticulous care to diet (check out those fitday graphs!!). So its no wonder Im dropping fat at an increased rate. I really do think the supplements are helping though...only negative I can see is that they seem to really be pulling the water out of me. Ive upped my intake to 2+ gallons starting today.


    Last edited by BigVrunga; 03-03-2006 at 06:49 PM.

  14. BV you must be very sensitive to stims, I spit on 6 mg of eph. no but for real I which my receptors would go back to the days of Xenadrine RFA-1 when 6 caps a day made me drop 60lbs of fat...

  15. BV you must be very sensitive to stims, I spit on 6 mg of eph. no but for real I which my receptors would go back to the days of Xenadrine RFA-1 when 6 caps a day made me drop 60lbs of fat...
    I really am. I do love my coffee, but 2-3 cups a day is more than enough. I also like to take breaks and cut the caffiene cold turkey for a few weeks at a time, just to let my CNS return to normal every so often.


  16. Quote Originally Posted by Apowerz6
    BV you must be very sensitive to stims, I spit on 6 mg of eph. no but for real I which my receptors would go back to the days of Xenadrine RFA-1 when 6 caps a day made me drop 60lbs of fat...
    Yeah I'm with you there brotha!! Ahhh, the good old days when I was still fresh...LOL!!!

  17. Fitday Entry for today:

    Back And Arms

    Bent Over BB Row
    225 x 10
    235 x 10
    245 x 8
    225 x 9

    Wide Grip Chins
    (BW + 35lbs) x 8
    BW x 12
    BW x 10
    BW x 10

    Standing EZ Bar Curls
    135 x 10
    140 x 8
    140 x 7 + 115 x 9 + 35lb DB's x 8 (drop set)

    Hammer Curl
    55s x 10
    55s x 10
    55s x 10

    One DB Extensions (behind the head)
    100 x 12
    110 x 10
    110 x 9

    V-bar press down (machine)
    8 x 12
    9 x 12
    10 x 10
    10 x 8 + 6 x 8 (drop set)

    Reverse Curl
    85 x 12
    85 x 12
    85 x 12

    10 min elliptical (ran out of time!)

    As I Lay Dying - Shadows Are Security <--One awesome ****ing album!!


    Weights werent up on the bicep exercises, but I did the rows and chins before hand so that's understandable. They werent down, either. The Bent over BB rows felt smooth and relatively easy at the weights I used, and on my 2nd day of CET the pumps are starting to take off. The 110DB dumbell on the extensions went smooth as well, all in all a great workout with some great pumps, the best yet! Im sure that, with the addition of the CET, the workouts will really take off this coming week.

    A bit of cheat day for me as well, as the lady and I hit the Chinese Buffet up the street I didnt overly splurge on anything, stuck mainly to veggies and lean meats but I did throw a few pieces of General Tso's on there. How could I not?

    My impressions of the PowerFULL/Symmetry only week are that its definitely effective, and that I can definitely feel an anabolic 'presence', albeit mild. Its only been about 9 days on the stack so far and Im progressing as I expected. Impressed, but not blown away at this point. The effects are about on par with the PF/Cissus/CET/Rebound stack I ran before, perhaps a bit stronger at 9 days in.

    Im running ~15 miles a week, eating 500 cals below maitenence, and Im losing fat and strength is creeping up...this herbal cornocopia of anabolic pleansantries is definitely working.

    Im leaving the 22nd of this month for a 5 day vacation, and Im not going to bring my supplement cabinet with me, I should have about a week left by then so Ill pick it up when I return.

    Im also throwing around the idea of training for 2-3 weeks with just an EC stack and Cissus, and then running the DS NHA stack to see how it compares with this.

    Last edited by BigVrunga; 03-04-2006 at 10:28 PM.

  18. 2 things...dropping the stims over the weekend made me hungry as hell!! (hungry as normal, anyway.

    and 2...

    Woke up Sunday morning to see some nipple puffiness which was none too pleasant. Ive upped the ReboundXT to 50mg/day. Interestingly, its not an itchyness/soreness that would normally accompany an estrogen issue. They just look a little puffy but the nipple itself looks slightly bigger and 'erect' (man thats too graphic). I remember SuperSoldier reporting a rise in Prolactin with PowerFULL use, I wonder if this is the cause.


  19. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    ...this herbal cornocopia of anabolic pleansantries is definitely working.

  20. well, at least I know something is going on..same thing happened with PowerFULL, I was hoping 25mg ATD was enough to stave it off - obviously isnt.

  21. 5pm - Cardio
    30 min - jogging @ ~6.3mph

    As I Lay Dying - Shadows Are Security

    Cardio endurance is up significantly. The last ~8 minutes or so I was plugging along at 7mph without a hitch, and it felt like I could have gone another 20 minutes without a problem. Im upping the mid-day cardio to 35 minutes this week, just made it down to the gym a little late so I had to cut it short today.

    Tonight - chest and MORE CARDIO!! Woohoo!!

    Looking in the mirrors, it looks like Ive lost more fat since friday. Could be other 25mg of ATD drying me out too though - but definitely notice slightly better definition. The lower abs are still covered, however. FatTrak2 calipers are reading in between 10.5 and 11.2%, Im assuming I'm in the high 10's by the looks of it.

    I did legs last monday, but Im moving them to Friday so I dont have to suffer through my first 10 minutes of cardio for the next 5 days, Ill do some light squat sets tonight just to keep them stimulated.

    Also - moving the ATD up to 50mg/day Im going to run out before the cycle is over. Im thinking of maybe using 600mg/6-OXO perday instead...I hate how Rebound slays my libidio.


  22. Damn nice log man, keep up the good work!

  23. Thanks brutha!! Slow but sure, slow but sure

    Fitday Entry:

    35 min - jogging @ 6.5mph

    All That Remains - This Darkened Heart

    9:30 PM
    Training - Chest

    Flat BB Bench Press
    135 x 15 (wu)
    225 x 12
    245 x 9
    275 x 3
    300 x 1 + 225 x 6 + 185 x 7 + 155 x 10 (drop set)

    Incline DB Press
    90s x 11
    95s x 8
    100s x 5

    Weighted Dips
    (Bodyweight) x 20
    (BW + 90) x 12
    (BW + 90) x 8
    (BW + 45) x 12

    Pec Dec Flyes
    110 x 12
    120 x 10
    130 x 8
    120 x 8

    Elliptical - 10 minutes


    Strength was up slightly, but endurance was up considerably. I worked out with a friend last night, and by the time we got to incline DB's he pretty tired but I was feeling like I was just getting started. I was impressed that the big dropset at the end of the flat bench didnt sabotage my incline presses and weighted dips...the incline DB's were actually up 2-3 reps from last week. I was also able to handle the 100's on the final set, make it a solid 5lb gain.

    Chest is so frustrating for me, as my strength fluctuated wildly compared to other muscle groups. When I was at my heaviest, I could bench 300 x 6 and then go hit a set of 110's x 7 on the incline press. Now I struggle to get 300 up for one or two and after 100's x 7 would be possible on a good day. I'm keeping my rep ranges around 12 10 8 or 10 8 6 to focus on hypertrophy and stave off injury now, when I get all this fat off Ill start strength training again. Hopefully Ill get my bench back and be nice and cut.

    Oh, here's an amusing tale for you:

    I usually train solo, as many of you know sometimes its tough to stay motivated week after week with no one to push you. I have devised the Nemesis System to help alleviate some of the monotony of solo training. Allow me to explain:

    I look for someone in the gym I dont know who is about my size or bigger, who is there consistently at the same time I am. This person becomes my Nemesis. As he trains harder, I train harder - trying to outlift him in my mind...just for extra motivation. I usually dont make an effort to make any contact with the Nemesis, because if he turns out to be a cool guy then Im up a friend and out a Nemesis and training late in the day, a good Nemesis is hard to find.

    So anyway, a couple months ago I find the perfect Nemesis. A couple inches taller than me, lower bodyfat, bigger, etc. Last night we both happened to be working chest and I was out lifting him on every set thinking "muhahaha! Take that Nemesis!" in the back of my mind.

    Well, The Nemesis ends up asking my friend for a spot and we all end up chatting for a bit...turns out not only to be a really nice guy but also the brother of a girl I used to work with at my previous job! And he went to highschool with my fiancee!

    So, while happy to make another friend in the gym, today I am somewhat forlorn that, just as I was surpassing The Nemesis on all lifts, he has become my Nemesis no longer. Victory is bittersweet I tell you, f*cking bittersweet.


    Here's a pic from last night, You can see more definition in the abdominals compared to the pics on page 1 of this thread:
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    Last edited by BigVrunga; 03-08-2006 at 05:39 PM.

  24. Fitday Entry for Today:

    30 min - jogging @ ~6.2mph

    Fat is definitely dropping, but slowly. I was starting to get frustrated and contemplated dropping to 2400 cals/day - but then I reread some of Burn The Fat, Feed The Muscle and realized Im right at where I should be. I guess these last few% are just going to be a real beeatch, but Im ready for it. I think, since Ive started up my cardio extravaganza ~4 weeks ago Im down about .5%BF - which is pretty good I guess. I keep focusing on the lower abdominal area and that's where its going to come off last, so sometimes I dont notice that my back/things/chest etc are quite a bit leaner than they were a month ago.

    Right now, Im at about the same BF% that I was when I started lifting seriously 5 years ago. Im 214lbs now, and when I was 25 I was 170. Considering my lowest BF% ever was probably my senior year of highschool at around 9.5% (also at 170lbs - a little too much partying in college), no wonder why this is going to be an uphill battle! I've never been at 8% bodyfat! Ill be damned if that's going to stop me now


  25. 9:45 pm
    Training - Back

    225 x 12 (warmup)
    315 x 12 (warmup)
    415 x 9
    415 x 8
    425 x 7

    Wide Grip Chins (real wide)
    10 (+10lbs)

    Bench Rows (upper grip)
    70lbs - 2-1-4 count
    70lbs - 2-1-4 count
    70lbs - 2-1-4 count

    Bent Over Lateral Raises
    30s x 12
    30s x 12
    30s x 10

    Seated Calf Raise
    150 x 12
    150 x 12
    150 x 12

    Elliptical 20 min

    InFlames,Still Remains, As I Lay Dying


    I didnt have the feeling of unending energy that I had yesterday. No change in strength, starting to feel the nice pumps from the CET. I have so much going on right now, that today it was tough to focus - especially earlier this afternoon on the treadmill. I went down during my lunch break, and for the first 10-15 minutes I just couldnt stop thinking about work, pending projects, etc. The techno mix I put on my Mp3 player is really mellow, and it wasnt cutting it. I couldnt get into it until the death metal came roaring through the headphones, and the stresses of the day were vaporized from my mind with every chugging power riff

    Im about 2 weeks into the herbal cycle now. Im dieting, so its hard to compare it as far as anabolic effectiveness goes...Im not losing any strength and most workouts strength and energy are actually up, so that's very good. Im definitely burning fat, but not as fast as I'd like, and Im running my freakin' ass off Im getting used to the fat burners so Ill be upping the dose of the C2 and ephedra soon. Im assuming its probably going to take me at least another 8-10 weeks to get to my goal of 8%


  26. Keep it up bro. This summer the girls jaws will be droppin!
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  27. Girlfriend commented on my abs this morning Couple people at work said "Damn man you're really getting leaner" I guess I'm just freaking on myself...funny how last year I would have heard 'man you're getting thinner!' and nearly had a nervous breakdown while trying to stuff in 4500 cals a day Ah, body dysmorphia.

    I traded a jug of Arginine and Lysine with Arternitatis for two canisters of Neurostim+C, which I fortified with some ALCAR and K-R-Ala that I had in my supplement cabinet.

    I mixed up a big jug of it and Im drinking a cup every couple of hours:P Ive also dropped my morning coffee to make up for the caffeine difference. (dont want to overdo it)

    Also upped the ephedrine to 1/2 tablet 2x per day.

    For the past couple of days Ive been hovering at ~2400 cals which is a little low, Ill be bringing that back up to 2600 and also hitting a 3100 calorie refeed this weekend.

    Last edited by BigVrunga; 03-09-2006 at 10:20 PM.

  28. Fitday for today

    30 minutes - jogging @ ~6.0 mph
    5 minutes - walking @ 3.8 mph

    Off day, but hit a little delts, bi's and tri's for the heck of it:

    Lateral Raise + Rope PressDown + High Pulley Conc. Curl
    Giant Set
    slow reps
    25s x 12 + 120 x 10 + 60 x 12
    25s x 12 + 110 x 10 + 60 x 10
    25s x 12 + 110 x dropset + 60 x dropset


    As I Lay Dying , Still Remains


    Today Im absolutely exhausted. Lack of sleep + too many low calorie days in a row is a bad combination!! Ill make up for it tonight though - naking a nap in a minute and then going to bed before midnight.

    Upping the Ephedrine and starting the Neurostim in the same day may have been a bit premature...I was a bit overstimulated today. That jittery "im gonna loose it!" feeling I get from too much caffiene and being too tired.

    Cardio went well, but I didnt get a 2nd wind until I was almost 20 minutes in. Starting to notice some vascularity in my arms which is huge, as Im unfortunately the most un-vascular person I know

    Last edited by BigVrunga; 03-09-2006 at 11:01 PM.
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    GREAT structure and Great Info, you should teach a lesson in logging:}

  30. Blood Pressure

    Blood pressure ~midway through the cycle:

    Took 4 readings:

    1.) 110/60
    2.) 154/54 (flexed my arm a bit by accident)
    3.) 119/59
    4.) 120/59

    Normally my BP reads 120 - 135 / 60 - 75, its definitely a little lower than normal(despite the recent addition of ephedrine, albeit a very low dose.) Usually the systolic floats in the high 120's. ),and I believe I can attribute this to PowerFULL. I started using Hawthorn as well, but only a few days ago and I doubt it would have kicked in that fast.

    Ill make checks over the next couple days just to be sure.



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