BigVrunga starts his T1cycle...
- 03-27-2003, 02:41 AM
Hey Todd - Thanks so much for the info! Im actually still using the same little box of L-Loperamide I bought last summer,as the runs from protien dont flare up too much anymore...but I would definately prefer a more natural route.
Thats a great post man, I really appreciate it. Karma for that one!
- 03-28-2003, 12:09 AM
Did chest today - lifts are up almost 20lbs! This is the first chest day since I started the T1. I have also gained another 3lbs, making it a total of 8lbs gained in 8days.
I was starting to look leaner, until the 4AD kicked in... The water smoothed me out a bit.
My brother is also using T1 right along with me, and is seeing similar gains.
03-28-2003, 08:25 PM
We started at the same time, BV. Well, the 18th for me. I am right at 7lbs gained right now.
"I was starting to look leaner, until the 4AD kicked in... The water smoothed me out a bit."
Couldn't have said it better myself.
03-29-2003, 03:17 AM
Hey Poolman - about the water retention...I know its beneficial, but at times it gets too much. I bought some formasin to use as an on cycle-anti-e. I had never used it, but let me tell you this stuff works and it works REAL WELL. I took 2 formasin, and 4 hours later the water retention was gone. I took another 2 the same time the next day, and the 'perky nips' also subsided.
Its working great to control the estrogen, I would definately recommend it. Im only going to use it when the e-sides become uncomfortable.
One thing thats cool - I woke up the next morning with the bloat gone, and I weighed the same as I did 2 days before when I felt like a baloon
What's your diet look like? What weight are you going for?
Good luck bro!
03-29-2003, 03:41 AM
That's good to hear! My diet is around 4000 cal. Trying to get at least 200 of protein also. Mostly eggs, oatmeal, tuna, and chicken. My start weight was 160, and want to end around 175. I know that's not much being 6 foot, but 180 is about my total goal. I was a little heavier (168), but a kidney stone sidelined me a little while back.
I really enjoyed the results the first week. I gained pretty good, very solid with little bloat. Looked ripped and lean (my BF is around 10%). Now I look a little soft. It's ok, I'll just add all the size I can while "on," then work at getting the water down. I also have to drink around 2.5 to 3 gallons of water a day (I have passed 6 kidney stones since I was 20....I'm 27 now). That probably doesn't help.
I don't have access to formasin, so I'll have to cross my fingers. The nips haven't really gotten too puffy yet, but they are sensitive as hell. Hope my luck is good!
How are you doing with the applications? I started the first 4 days or so alternating my shoulders and upper arm, then my stomach area. Now I am just applying it to my left shoulder and outside arm in the morning, then the right side for the evening. It's worked pretty good, and I am watching my skin like a hawk for anything odd (excessive dryness, etc.) The stomach was nice, but sucked when I took a shower. That **** just ran down with the water into my crotch. Penis and 1-test don't mix. Hehe, I've gotten it on my cheeks a couple of times too. And once on my forehead (no clue how), and that **** burned! Let me know what your routine is.
03-29-2003, 04:51 AM
Hey again poolman-
dpsnutrition.com has Formasin for like $24 a bottle! It is also supposed to exert a small anabolic effect, although I dont know if you'd even notice alongside the 1test and 4AD.
What are you doing for post cycle?
I apply to the chest and sides, and then wipe the excess on my inner bi's and on my legs. I always message it in really good. At night I start applying on the chest, and then move to the sides. Then switch for the 2nd application during the day. It burned like hell at first, but Im used to it, I dont really notice any kind of rash or anything.
Id did get a bit on the schlong, I hear you there...
Ive been rubbing some excess on my forearms to, hoping the dmso will help ease my sore tendons...(what a bitch that is...)
How did you get so many kidney stones??
Its kinda funny - we both started T1 at the same time and were the same age (Im 27 too)
What other supps are you taking? That's great youve got your diet down - Im moving to 4500 calls/day starting tomorrow. Im trying to keep the ratio as close to 40/40/20 as I can...
Routine looks like this:
Monday - Bis/Tris
Tuesday - Legs
Wednesday - Off
Thurday - Chest
Friday - Shoulders
Saturday - Back
Sunday - Off
Hitting abs hard everyday, trying to keep the midsection toned while Im gaining all this weight.
Forearms every other day...
Calves before workout every on day, 10 sets.
8 sets for tris on chest day and 8 sets for bis on back day.
This is supposed to let you work at double volume, and that appears to be the case 33 sets today with my partner in less than 1.5 hrs!
Whats your routine look like?
03-30-2003, 08:13 PM
Took two days off - I havent really been sleeping enough, and I figured I could use one more day of rest after a solid week of training. And, Lo and Behold, I get on the scale after work and Im 219!! That's a 14lb gain, in 11days! At least 4lbs of this was estrogen bloat, however. I took two Formasin and Ill probably be back down to 213-214 in a little while.
Upped cals to 4500 a day, I went out and bought a food scale and Im keeping it as clean as possible. Im handling the 400g of protien well...as long as I stream it in evenly throughout the day, I have no digestive problems at all.
What a difference bulking clean makes! A year ago, I figured a $.99 King Supreme from Burger King was a valid method of increasing caloric intake. I had the dimples on my ass to prove it too! This year, at the same weight, Im so much leaner, and so much stronger its astounding. I hit 230 last year at the peak of my bulking cycle, with a max Squat of 305 for 6. When I went to cut down, this dropped almost 40lbs.
Now Im squatting 315 for 10 like nothing, with a much lower bodyfat %. Its 11days into T1, and I look friggin' huge!
This stuff is great...
03-31-2003, 01:47 AM
Yes it is great BV! I'll reply more later when I have more time.
By the way, I took 2 freaking days off also. Are we the same damn person? And I'm going to PM you about the Formasin (going to order tomorrow).
[Edit] Out of curiousity, how are your joints feeling? Mine seem to have gone down hill some in the past few days.
03-31-2003, 02:06 AM
I dont know man its kinda freaky!!By the way, I took 2 freaking days off also. Are we the same damn person?
About those joints - Im taking 2000mg Glucosamine and 2000mg MSM per day (1000mg each about 12hrs apart), as well as at least 10g of Flax Oil per day.
I started that regimen about a week before I went on cycle, and my joints actually feel better now than they did before.
You might also want to add some Chondroitin to the mix, but i cant seem to find it by itself, and its expensive. There's a thread around here called 'joint care cocktail' that explains how these substances work in more detail.
Also, the DMSO in the T1 might help if you run it around the affected area (like your shoulders...)
Are you at risk for hairloss? Do you notice any hair problems with the T1?
04-02-2003, 03:47 AM
Just an update:
13th day into the cycle, Im definately seeing some massive gains. This is almost scary The 'big gains' on 1test are supposed to come in the 3rd and 4th week - honestly if I stopped the cycle right now and kept what Ive gained, Id be happy.
04-08-2003, 11:10 PM
quick Q, on a cycle of 1-t pro, should you keep carbs up at all? or just focus on as much protein as possible? Just started... thx.
04-08-2003, 11:26 PM
What I did was raise my total caloric intake by 1000 calls and keep the ratio the same. I try to stay as close to 40-40-20 (p/c/f) as possible. Usually itll get a little skewed, for instance most days Ill get ~350g of protien and 450g of carbs (on a 4000 calorie/day diet).
Ive made awesome gains on this cycle, over 15lbs and I have a week to go, with very little visable fat gain.
04-08-2003, 11:44 PM
thks. id love to gain large w/little added fat. we will see. I'm not doing the formasin though, is this nec. a bad idea? ive got a bottle of 6-oxo for post cycle...
04-08-2003, 11:50 PM
A bottle of Formasin is only $25 - It works well and is definatley a worthwhile investment. If you are sensitive to estrogen, then you're going to want it if you get too bloated or your nipples start to hurt -
Actually - a better idea would be to get a bottle of liquid nolva - youll have enough to stack with your 6-oxo for superior post-cycle recovery and plenty extra to use to keep the estrogen sides down.
You only want to use the e-blocker when the estrogen sides get too much to handle...some estrogen is your system is great for strength/mass gains and helps combat some of the 1test sides as well.
Another piece of advice- pound your abs daily (or 3 on 1 off). I worked abs like a freak on this cycle and even though Ive gained all that weight, they're still quite visable (lower abs arent - but hey - Im bulking damnit!)
04-09-2003, 04:19 PM
04-09-2003, 08:09 PM
04-10-2003, 02:58 AM
hey hamper19 - I didnt take any before pics - but I may try to get some after shots up. Ive gained a whole stack of weight - 15+lbs already and Ive got a week to go...
Im going to try to go hog wild this last week and hit 4500 cals/day and get another 5lbs...
If I can hit a solid 225 and maintain it throughout post-cycle that would definately be cool!
You got it Jwest0926! Good luck man!Thanks for the tips Vungra! I'll post results here! Real excited!
04-14-2003, 07:54 PM
Well, the cycle ends wednesday and I can say Im definately impressed with the results. My butt naked, 'after relieving myself' weight this morning was 224. At the inception of this cycle, my butt naked, 'after releiving myself' weight was around 206.
I should clarify that so Im not misleading people - in previous threads, the weight I would post would be my 'on the gym scale with my shorts t-shirt and sneakers on' weight.
From now on, all weights posted will be BNARM in the morning weight.
So anyways- things have gone great this past month, strength is way up, weight is way up, bodyfat is a little higher, but definately not much. I still fit in the same pants after gaining nearly 20lbs.
I havent taken any Formasin in a week either, trying to maximize weight gain for the cycle's end. I do notice a little bloating.
I'll post a summary of the whole 4 weeks Wednesday night, and then start keeping a record for the post cycle in this same thread.
Im getting my tax return soon, so I should be able to afford a camera, I really want to get some pics up. Man, do I ever need a tan though
04-14-2003, 08:37 PM
so whats your next plan dude, you gonna do a short cutting stint or what?....
i like the BNARM acronym..pretty funny
wtf man...smileys do not work for me....
and yes i have them enabled
04-15-2003, 12:50 AM
Im going to run 6oxo/nolva for post for 4 weeks, keeping cals and poundage up, then start some light cardio to shave off a little of this excess chunk for another month. I have 3/4 bottle of T1 left, and should have about 1/2 of the liqua-nolva after a 4week post.
I think Ill do a short 3week cycle to improve some of my lacking areas (biceps need more of a peak, forearms/quads/calves need more mass) and then naturally keep bulking after that until I hit the goals I set when I started lifting. Those were:
315lb bench for 6
350lb squat for 20
500lb deadlift for 6
100lb DB shoulder press for 6
Right now, Im at:
285lb bench for 6
315lb squat for 12
465lb deadlift for 2
80lb DB shoulder press for 6
So Ive got some work to do!
After I hit those goals, and can hold on to them until I know that they're there to stay, Ill start to cut. I may do one more cycle for cutting to ensure that I hold on to the muscle...
After that, its all natural for me. T1 was way too much fun, If I tried some 'real' gear I know that I couldnt give it up.
04-15-2003, 09:39 AM
haha..sounds good man, keep us posted.
saw a guy at my gym the other day, sunday actually squat 500+ lbs, for 3. Older guy to, had to be near 50
04-15-2003, 10:52 AM
woof! thats some weight. just show how weak my gym is. you get a dude benching 365-405 for a rep and the entire gym, their mothers, and grandchildren turn around and ooo and awwwww. (phathetic of a gym). Sage
04-15-2003, 12:34 PM
yeah, but him and his boy are the only ones that come close to anything like that. Me im not really concerned with trying to squat or bench or whatever any certain amount of weight...
I mean i def try to increase poundages, i dont really have magic numbers though..
never saw anyone bench nearly that much in my gym
04-15-2003, 07:21 PM
I set those numbers when I started lifting, figured when I could do all that I could call myself a big dude
Ive never seen anyone in my Gym squat over 400lbs. In fact, I dont really see anyone doing squats that often. At least, squats with proper form. I do see a lot of dudes with huge upper bodys and calves smaller than my forearm benching mad weight, though
There was a bench competition at my gym last weekend, the winner put up 602!!
04-17-2003, 04:46 AM
Well, this here is supposed to be the last day of the cycle (day 28), but, I have some extra T1, and I missed leg day today, so Im carrying it on until tomorrow. Because tomorrow is leg day. Then day off, then chest, then day off, then next week starts the post cycle workout.
6-oxo 6 caps/day for the 1st week
3 caps/day every week thereafter
Nolvadex 20mg/day for the full 4 weeks
Creatine (been on for 4 weeks already)
Upping FlaxOil to 15g/day
Going to a MaxOT routine for chest, in an effort to keep the bench weight up
Also dropping to 12-15 sets per workout for the next 4 weeks, keeping the weight heavy.
My goal for the next month is not only to maintain my gains, but hopefully gain a little more as well.
Another month of some light cardio to get the endurance up, and then an all out bulkathon in an effort to hit 240. If I can keep the bodyfat Im at and get to that weight, then I will damn sure be a ripped 205-210 when I cut.
I know summer's comming, but **** it. Im on a roll (A fat roll!! hahahahaha!!)
04-18-2003, 02:30 AM
BigVrunga, i loved the way you posted all through the cycle, i have been following right along.........
I have all my stuff to start but im going to wait a few more weeks (2) due to some slight joint pain in my right elbow.
Im positive your post will go as well or better than your cycle, you got your **** together.
Good luck bro!
One of my fears too.T1 was way too much fun, If I tried some 'real' gear I know that I couldnt give it up.
04-18-2003, 03:21 AM
Thanks bro, I really appreciate it. Im glad this thread could give you some insight/entertainmentIm positive your post will go as well or better than your cycle, you got your **** together.
I had some joint pain before I started my cycle too, 2tbsp flax oil/2000mg Glucosamine/2000mgMSM fixed it up solid and by the second week of the cycle I had no joint problems whatsoever.
Ive been reading that using Glucosamine for too long can cause problems with insulin levels, so I stopped using it as soon as the pain went away. I think Chondroitin would be a better choice to use as a daily supp., but I cant find it by itself. (at least, at WalMart I cant find it)
Well, today was the last leg day of the cycle. Kept it short and sweet, figuring that with the T1 ending today an insane leg workout would not be a good idea. Looked like this:
4 Sets Hack Squats 10,10,10,7
4 Sets Leg presses 12,8,6,15
HamString Curl 12,10,6,Dropset to failure
The 6-rep set on the LegPress was with 930Lbs. Definately a personal best for me! Leg Strength shot up dramatically this last week, and I beleive it was the FoxSet LegPresses last week that were key in making that happen.
Even though the workout went for only 12sets, its 2am and its still an effort to make it up the stairs.
Im beginning to see that impressive gains in mass and strength can be made by alternating 3-4 weeks of high-volume/high-intensity based routines like GVT/FoxSets with 3-4 weeks of heavy/low volume/low intensity routines like MaxOT. Keep track of the poundages, and always make sure you're adding weight, and along with a good diet and proper rest your body has no choice but to grow. I would love to be able to explain what's going on here scientifically, I really should do more research.
One other thing Id like to mention - my DB shoulder press shot up to 80s for 6 only 4 days into T1. It barely budged for the rest of the cycle. (the 6 reps got easier, but I didnt make it to 100s like I had planned) I got annoyed with it, and switched to standard military press, to my surprise it had gone up nearly 30lbs!! That was definately cool, I wonder what was at work here. Perhaps the heavy benching throughout the cycle really strengthened the front delts? (They are considerably bigger)
At the beginning of this thread, I stated that I was only doing this cycle of T1. Now, 4 weeks later, I can say that I am definately considering another one in 2 months. (assuming post cycle goes as well as planned) Ive learned so much about what I can kind of training volume I can handle, what foods and macronutrient ratios work best for me, etc. that I think I could see even better gains if I did another cycle.
I remember when I first started lifting hard and I thought I was a pretty strong guy. If I could go back in time, Id kick my own ass.
DieselDude good luck with your cycle bro!! Let me know how it goes for you...
04-20-2003, 08:59 PM
Day 3 of Postcycle...
Well, its the 3rd day off T1, and Im still feeling awesome. Mass/strength is still increasing. BNARM weight is a solid 226. I really havent put on all that much fat either. Last year, I went on a bulking Bonanza and hit 230, but I wasnt nearly as strong and I was fat as hell. Not this time. I do have a little more fat on me though...I suppose its unavoidable.
When I came off the T1 I definately noticed increased bloating. After a day of 6 6-OXO and 20mg Nolva, it was gone.
Did chest yesterday, 100lb DB's on the incline (~50 degrees or so) for 11 reps. On week 4 of T1 I could barely get it for 5. Chest routine looked like this:
Incline DB Bench(50degrees) 11,8,6
Incline DB Bench(80 degrees) 8
Incline Barbell Bench(30 degrees) 10,8,6,4
Close Grip Decline (barbell) 10,8,6
Incline Flyes 10,8
Im surprised the gains keep comming...although I will not be suprised if I see some kind of 'crash' in the next few days.
One more thing...the FUZU is working great. Libido is still going strong, when I though it would decrease without the 4AD in my system.
Also noticing some mild joint pain...started back on Glucosamine/MSM. With the 3tbsp flax/day, it should lube them up proper
04-24-2003, 09:18 PM
Day 7 post cycle -
3 days post, I was actually up 3lbs. I assume this was the expected estrogen surge, and the 6-OXO/Nolva hadnt fully kicked in to control it. I woke up the morning of day 4, and was down 4lbs. And looked noticeably leaner.
Morning weight now around 222 or so. I felt huge while I had all that bloat on, and after I dropped it, felt like crap. Did legs yesterday, strength is actually still rising, which is a good thing. I can tell that recovery is in the toilet, Im lifting heavy, but only doing 12-15 sets per workout and trying to get as much rest as possible. I took today off from the gym, just been working abs every couple hours or so, eating and sleeping as much as possible.
Ive added another 500 cals to the daily intake, briging it to a solid 4500 calories/day. I am also taking small ECA doses every 4 hours. (1 hydroxycut tab).
My testicles feel fuller, hopefully this means natty test is starting to come back. Im going to keep cals high until I see some weight gain, then slowly drop down to my 'off cycle' food intake of 3500 cals a day at 40-40-20.
I think Im also going to try some SAN V-12, results seem to be very positive...the 'constantly pumped' feeling I had while on cycle has noticeably diminished. Maybe that will help to get it back while Im recovering.
04-26-2003, 02:55 AM
Good info here BigV,
My elbow is feeling better, i will be ready to start my PH cycle in a week or so.
The fat gains are making me think a little..........
How much do you think (IYO) of your weight gain was from fat?
Was it all from extra calories?
If i maintained my calorie intake between 35-3700 per day would gains be leaner or just less due to lack of calories?
Im 5'9" and i have been cutting (8-9weeks) for summer. 218 right now (BANARM).
My Bf is still a little high 12-13 right now but i was stuck like a mofo for a while.
I guess what im asking is do you think i can maintain leaner gains if i keep my calories @ 3000? Can i get leaner gains like this or am i wasting my time and T1-pro?
(In Your Opinion)
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