BigVrunga starts his T1cycle...
- 04-08-2003, 09:10 PM
- 04-08-2003, 09:26 PM
What I did was raise my total caloric intake by 1000 calls and keep the ratio the same. I try to stay as close to 40-40-20 (p/c/f) as possible. Usually itll get a little skewed, for instance most days Ill get ~350g of protien and 450g of carbs (on a 4000 calorie/day diet).
Ive made awesome gains on this cycle, over 15lbs and I have a week to go, with very little visable fat gain.
- 04-08-2003, 09:44 PM
thks. id love to gain large w/little added fat. we will see. I'm not doing the formasin though, is this nec. a bad idea? ive got a bottle of 6-oxo for post cycle...
04-08-2003, 09:50 PM
A bottle of Formasin is only $25 - It works well and is definatley a worthwhile investment. If you are sensitive to estrogen, then you're going to want it if you get too bloated or your nipples start to hurt -
Actually - a better idea would be to get a bottle of liquid nolva - youll have enough to stack with your 6-oxo for superior post-cycle recovery and plenty extra to use to keep the estrogen sides down.
You only want to use the e-blocker when the estrogen sides get too much to handle...some estrogen is your system is great for strength/mass gains and helps combat some of the 1test sides as well.
Another piece of advice- pound your abs daily (or 3 on 1 off). I worked abs like a freak on this cycle and even though Ive gained all that weight, they're still quite visable (lower abs arent - but hey - Im bulking damnit!)
04-09-2003, 02:19 PM
- 5'7" 191 lbs.
- Join Date
- Oct 2002
- Rep Power
nice job boys.....yous gonna post some b4 and after shots?
04-09-2003, 06:09 PM
Thanks for the tips Vungra! I'll post results here! Real excited!
04-10-2003, 12:58 AM
hey hamper19 - I didnt take any before pics - but I may try to get some after shots up. Ive gained a whole stack of weight - 15+lbs already and Ive got a week to go...
Im going to try to go hog wild this last week and hit 4500 cals/day and get another 5lbs...
If I can hit a solid 225 and maintain it throughout post-cycle that would definately be cool!
You got it Jwest0926! Good luck man!Thanks for the tips Vungra! I'll post results here! Real excited!
04-14-2003, 05:54 PM
Well, the cycle ends wednesday and I can say Im definately impressed with the results. My butt naked, 'after relieving myself' weight this morning was 224. At the inception of this cycle, my butt naked, 'after releiving myself' weight was around 206.
I should clarify that so Im not misleading people - in previous threads, the weight I would post would be my 'on the gym scale with my shorts t-shirt and sneakers on' weight.
From now on, all weights posted will be BNARM in the morning weight.
So anyways- things have gone great this past month, strength is way up, weight is way up, bodyfat is a little higher, but definately not much. I still fit in the same pants after gaining nearly 20lbs.
I havent taken any Formasin in a week either, trying to maximize weight gain for the cycle's end. I do notice a little bloating.
I'll post a summary of the whole 4 weeks Wednesday night, and then start keeping a record for the post cycle in this same thread.
Im getting my tax return soon, so I should be able to afford a camera, I really want to get some pics up. Man, do I ever need a tan though
04-14-2003, 06:37 PM
- 5'7" 191 lbs.
- Join Date
- Oct 2002
- Rep Power
so whats your next plan dude, you gonna do a short cutting stint or what?....
i like the BNARM acronym..pretty funny
wtf man...smileys do not work for me....
and yes i have them enabled
04-14-2003, 10:50 PM
Im going to run 6oxo/nolva for post for 4 weeks, keeping cals and poundage up, then start some light cardio to shave off a little of this excess chunk for another month. I have 3/4 bottle of T1 left, and should have about 1/2 of the liqua-nolva after a 4week post.
I think Ill do a short 3week cycle to improve some of my lacking areas (biceps need more of a peak, forearms/quads/calves need more mass) and then naturally keep bulking after that until I hit the goals I set when I started lifting. Those were:
315lb bench for 6
350lb squat for 20
500lb deadlift for 6
100lb DB shoulder press for 6
Right now, Im at:
285lb bench for 6
315lb squat for 12
465lb deadlift for 2
80lb DB shoulder press for 6
So Ive got some work to do!
After I hit those goals, and can hold on to them until I know that they're there to stay, Ill start to cut. I may do one more cycle for cutting to ensure that I hold on to the muscle...
After that, its all natural for me. T1 was way too much fun, If I tried some 'real' gear I know that I couldnt give it up.
04-15-2003, 07:39 AM
- 5'7" 191 lbs.
- Join Date
- Oct 2002
- Rep Power
haha..sounds good man, keep us posted.
saw a guy at my gym the other day, sunday actually squat 500+ lbs, for 3. Older guy to, had to be near 50
04-15-2003, 08:52 AM
woof! thats some weight. just show how weak my gym is. you get a dude benching 365-405 for a rep and the entire gym, their mothers, and grandchildren turn around and ooo and awwwww. (phathetic of a gym). Sage
04-15-2003, 10:34 AM
- 5'7" 191 lbs.
- Join Date
- Oct 2002
- Rep Power
yeah, but him and his boy are the only ones that come close to anything like that. Me im not really concerned with trying to squat or bench or whatever any certain amount of weight...
I mean i def try to increase poundages, i dont really have magic numbers though..
never saw anyone bench nearly that much in my gym
04-15-2003, 05:21 PM
I set those numbers when I started lifting, figured when I could do all that I could call myself a big dude
Ive never seen anyone in my Gym squat over 400lbs. In fact, I dont really see anyone doing squats that often. At least, squats with proper form. I do see a lot of dudes with huge upper bodys and calves smaller than my forearm benching mad weight, though
There was a bench competition at my gym last weekend, the winner put up 602!!
04-17-2003, 02:46 AM
Well, this here is supposed to be the last day of the cycle (day 28), but, I have some extra T1, and I missed leg day today, so Im carrying it on until tomorrow. Because tomorrow is leg day. Then day off, then chest, then day off, then next week starts the post cycle workout.
6-oxo 6 caps/day for the 1st week
3 caps/day every week thereafter
Nolvadex 20mg/day for the full 4 weeks
Creatine (been on for 4 weeks already)
Upping FlaxOil to 15g/day
Going to a MaxOT routine for chest, in an effort to keep the bench weight up
Also dropping to 12-15 sets per workout for the next 4 weeks, keeping the weight heavy.
My goal for the next month is not only to maintain my gains, but hopefully gain a little more as well.
Another month of some light cardio to get the endurance up, and then an all out bulkathon in an effort to hit 240. If I can keep the bodyfat Im at and get to that weight, then I will damn sure be a ripped 205-210 when I cut.
I know summer's comming, but **** it. Im on a roll (A fat roll!! hahahahaha!!)
04-18-2003, 12:30 AM
BigVrunga, i loved the way you posted all through the cycle, i have been following right along.........
I have all my stuff to start but im going to wait a few more weeks (2) due to some slight joint pain in my right elbow.
Im positive your post will go as well or better than your cycle, you got your **** together.
Good luck bro!
One of my fears too.T1 was way too much fun, If I tried some 'real' gear I know that I couldnt give it up.
04-18-2003, 01:21 AM
Thanks bro, I really appreciate it. Im glad this thread could give you some insight/entertainmentIm positive your post will go as well or better than your cycle, you got your **** together.
I had some joint pain before I started my cycle too, 2tbsp flax oil/2000mg Glucosamine/2000mgMSM fixed it up solid and by the second week of the cycle I had no joint problems whatsoever.
Ive been reading that using Glucosamine for too long can cause problems with insulin levels, so I stopped using it as soon as the pain went away. I think Chondroitin would be a better choice to use as a daily supp., but I cant find it by itself. (at least, at WalMart I cant find it)
Well, today was the last leg day of the cycle. Kept it short and sweet, figuring that with the T1 ending today an insane leg workout would not be a good idea. Looked like this:
4 Sets Hack Squats 10,10,10,7
4 Sets Leg presses 12,8,6,15
HamString Curl 12,10,6,Dropset to failure
The 6-rep set on the LegPress was with 930Lbs. Definately a personal best for me! Leg Strength shot up dramatically this last week, and I beleive it was the FoxSet LegPresses last week that were key in making that happen.
Even though the workout went for only 12sets, its 2am and its still an effort to make it up the stairs.
Im beginning to see that impressive gains in mass and strength can be made by alternating 3-4 weeks of high-volume/high-intensity based routines like GVT/FoxSets with 3-4 weeks of heavy/low volume/low intensity routines like MaxOT. Keep track of the poundages, and always make sure you're adding weight, and along with a good diet and proper rest your body has no choice but to grow. I would love to be able to explain what's going on here scientifically, I really should do more research.
One other thing Id like to mention - my DB shoulder press shot up to 80s for 6 only 4 days into T1. It barely budged for the rest of the cycle. (the 6 reps got easier, but I didnt make it to 100s like I had planned) I got annoyed with it, and switched to standard military press, to my surprise it had gone up nearly 30lbs!! That was definately cool, I wonder what was at work here. Perhaps the heavy benching throughout the cycle really strengthened the front delts? (They are considerably bigger)
At the beginning of this thread, I stated that I was only doing this cycle of T1. Now, 4 weeks later, I can say that I am definately considering another one in 2 months. (assuming post cycle goes as well as planned) Ive learned so much about what I can kind of training volume I can handle, what foods and macronutrient ratios work best for me, etc. that I think I could see even better gains if I did another cycle.
I remember when I first started lifting hard and I thought I was a pretty strong guy. If I could go back in time, Id kick my own ass.
DieselDude good luck with your cycle bro!! Let me know how it goes for you...
04-20-2003, 06:59 PM
Day 3 of Postcycle...
Well, its the 3rd day off T1, and Im still feeling awesome. Mass/strength is still increasing. BNARM weight is a solid 226. I really havent put on all that much fat either. Last year, I went on a bulking Bonanza and hit 230, but I wasnt nearly as strong and I was fat as hell. Not this time. I do have a little more fat on me though...I suppose its unavoidable.
When I came off the T1 I definately noticed increased bloating. After a day of 6 6-OXO and 20mg Nolva, it was gone.
Did chest yesterday, 100lb DB's on the incline (~50 degrees or so) for 11 reps. On week 4 of T1 I could barely get it for 5. Chest routine looked like this:
Incline DB Bench(50degrees) 11,8,6
Incline DB Bench(80 degrees) 8
Incline Barbell Bench(30 degrees) 10,8,6,4
Close Grip Decline (barbell) 10,8,6
Incline Flyes 10,8
Im surprised the gains keep comming...although I will not be suprised if I see some kind of 'crash' in the next few days.
One more thing...the FUZU is working great. Libido is still going strong, when I though it would decrease without the 4AD in my system.
Also noticing some mild joint pain...started back on Glucosamine/MSM. With the 3tbsp flax/day, it should lube them up proper
04-24-2003, 07:18 PM
Day 7 post cycle -
3 days post, I was actually up 3lbs. I assume this was the expected estrogen surge, and the 6-OXO/Nolva hadnt fully kicked in to control it. I woke up the morning of day 4, and was down 4lbs. And looked noticeably leaner.
Morning weight now around 222 or so. I felt huge while I had all that bloat on, and after I dropped it, felt like crap. Did legs yesterday, strength is actually still rising, which is a good thing. I can tell that recovery is in the toilet, Im lifting heavy, but only doing 12-15 sets per workout and trying to get as much rest as possible. I took today off from the gym, just been working abs every couple hours or so, eating and sleeping as much as possible.
Ive added another 500 cals to the daily intake, briging it to a solid 4500 calories/day. I am also taking small ECA doses every 4 hours. (1 hydroxycut tab).
My testicles feel fuller, hopefully this means natty test is starting to come back. Im going to keep cals high until I see some weight gain, then slowly drop down to my 'off cycle' food intake of 3500 cals a day at 40-40-20.
I think Im also going to try some SAN V-12, results seem to be very positive...the 'constantly pumped' feeling I had while on cycle has noticeably diminished. Maybe that will help to get it back while Im recovering.
04-26-2003, 12:55 AM
Good info here BigV,
My elbow is feeling better, i will be ready to start my PH cycle in a week or so.
The fat gains are making me think a little..........
How much do you think (IYO) of your weight gain was from fat?
Was it all from extra calories?
If i maintained my calorie intake between 35-3700 per day would gains be leaner or just less due to lack of calories?
Im 5'9" and i have been cutting (8-9weeks) for summer. 218 right now (BANARM).
My Bf is still a little high 12-13 right now but i was stuck like a mofo for a while.
I guess what im asking is do you think i can maintain leaner gains if i keep my calories @ 3000? Can i get leaner gains like this or am i wasting my time and T1-pro?
(In Your Opinion)
04-27-2003, 03:17 AM
Hey again DieselDude -
I dont have a good way to measure bf% accurately (although I should get a meter and will soon) - but I would say from the way I look - that my BF% is only slightly higher than it was before I started the T1. Its very hard to tell. I put most of my fat on around the abdomen, and my abs are just as defined as they were before cycle. Not that they were all that defined, but I could still see most of them A comfortable amount of excess bulking mass, as I like to put it. Most of the 'chunk' on this cycle seemed to be water weight from the estrogen. A few days post cycle, I dropped 4lbs or so and looked noticeably leaner.
I would say the total amount of calories you have to take in depends a lot on your metabolism. Since we both weigh about the same, maybe the method I used would work for you, too:
The first day, I started at 3500 cals, and gradually upped it to 4200 cals by day 7. I kept it here around the 40/40/20 ratio (usually ended up being 35-45-20 p-c-f) and held it as the gains started to rise. I would check myself visually throughout the day - if I looked too bloated or started noticing puffy nips Id take 2-3 formasin for that day. With my body, I know when Im storing too much fat because I start to notice 'love handles' on my sides. When this would happen, Id lower the cals by 200 per day until I hit 3800 cals. Then Id keep this at 40-40-20 until I leaned out a bit, then bump it up by 200 cals/day until I was again at 20cals/per lb of bodyweight. I just kept using this method throughout the cycle, and had really good results.
I wanted to keep gains as lean as possible, and this seemed to work very well. I suppose with the constant re-adjusting of the daily intake, you're getting the extra cals when you need them and holding them back when you can see the fat gain is getting too much.
I tried to maintain the lower calore intake (around 3700 like you suggested) for a week and I found that the gains would slow down, in one case even came to a halt until I upped the cals again.
Here are some other things that helped keep gains lean:
Eating more often during the day helps keep the fat down, as the constant digesting keeps the metabolism going.
Eating as clean as possible really made a big difference. I mean a HUGE difference. Cutting out the 'unhealthy' fats from my diet and replacing it with flax oil, etc. made a big difference. Also keep the carb sources complex (low-gi, I beleive its called) from sources like brown rice and oatmeal. One of my favorite meals is now oatmeal, Optimum Whey and a tbsp of flax oil.
Working out with more intensity burns calories faster and gets your heart rate elevated...
Training abs 3 dayson/1 day off kept my midsection tight.
I would say that you definately need to take in higher calories (~20 cals /lb of bodyweight) to see maximum retainable gains from the T1. I suppose there is a 'perfect' daily intake/nutrient ratio for lean gains on cycle - but that would be different for everybody. Just tweak your food intake day to day and see how your body responds.I guess what im asking is do you think i can maintain leaner gains if i keep my calories @ 3000? Can i get leaner gains like this or am i wasting my time and T1-pro?
Hope that helped...
Good luck with the cycle!
04-27-2003, 09:55 AM
As always good info BigV
I have been eating as clean as humanly possible allready for the last 8-9 weeks in preparation for the warmer months. It definately sounds like the little i gain (fat) from my cycle will not be as hard to control as i thought. I will look at food intake daily and adjust accordingly like you suggested.
Thanks for taking the time to write.
05-01-2003, 02:26 PM
Havent had a chance to get online in days - I will get back with more updates, though. Weight still holding at around 221 or so. I started a new job and my diet got screwed up for a couple days (ate fairly 'dirty' and didnt get enough cals in)...but strength continues to increase.
05-08-2003, 06:19 PM
3 weeks post cycle....
3 weeks post and Im still holding at 221 or so. I actually started gaining weight again earlier in the week (4 days of 4500 cals/day), but noticed some fat/water gain so I trimmed the cals back and the weight went with it. The only weight ive lost seems to have been water, I am stronger now than I was in week 4 of the T1. In fact, strength continues to increase...so yeah, post cycle gains are definately possible and not all that hard to achieve. I really havent 'lost' anything. Im just trying to maintain my bodyweight until Im sure natty test is back in full swing - then the high cal diet and intensive training will start to pack on some lean mass once again.
The 6-oxo/Nolva combo worked great, family jewels back to full size, and at week three I can finally handle more intensity in the gym. (weeks 1 and 2 postcycle were tough...definately felt the little crash I had been expecting.)
So, all in all, I think this was definately a worthwhile investment. Up 15 solid lbs, a boatload of strength...might consider one more T1 cycle in another 5 weeks. If I can repeat the results of this stack (or even come close) , that would surely be cool.
06-25-2003, 11:03 AM
Just a follow up -
Been 'off' for over 2 months now - Im stronger than I was at the end of T1, and just as heavy...225. I havent made a dedicated effort to put on any mass yet - started a new job and at 50 hrs/week, its all I can do to maintain...but all my lifts are up (strength kept climbing all through post cycle) its leveled off a bit - mainly because Ive slacked a little in order to adjust diet/training to my new 'busy as hell' lifestyle.
I had to buy all new clothes
Considering another T1 cycle in about 2 months or so...Im going to try to get to 230 on my own (5 more lean lbs...)and then hit 245-250 at the peak of the next bulk fest. Then, hold on to that for 6 months and the cutting shall begin...
Here's the lifts so far:
DB shoulder press: 85sx10
BenchPress : 330 x 1
Incline DB Bench: 100s x 12 (thats as heavy as they go in my gym)
Ive started doing ATG squats so Ive stripped 100lbs off what I was doing before in order to work on proper form...so right now Im at 250x10
Good to post again - I havent been on in months!
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