Ostarine (and maybe epistane)

[smclaugh87]

Hi guys

First post here..

I am considering an ostarine and epistane cycle. 6 weeks and then nolva/clom PCT.

I have run 2 cycles over 2 years ago of epi and got really great results. Competed as a powerlifter for about 7 years. Few knee injuries and decided to give my body a rest. I am 28 and in great health. Have lifted for about 9 years in total.

I am for a holiday in 14 weeks and was debating the above cycle. Epi 30mg osta 20mg. The holiday is with 14 other males and will involve 2 weeks of partying in Thailand. Epi is methylated so might have to run osta solo. What do you guys think?

If I run osta I have some DAA and natty test booster here if there is a chance of shutdown but at 20mg for 6-8 weeks i doubt it.

So i guess my question is... Is it too late to run epi (for 4 weeks) as I am away in 14 weeks.

Could do

Week 1-6 epi and osta
Week 7-11 PCT DAA TB Nolva/clom

Or

Week 1-4 epi
Week 1-8 osta
Week 9-13 nolva/clom

Or

Week 1-8 osta
Week 9-13 DAA and test booster

Lets be honest it's less likely I will be taking epi this close to pounding my liver with alcohol. Just looking to get another opinion? As for PCT with osta is OTC ok?

 

[AustBenny]

Your liver will bounce back. Stop being a p*ssy.

Week 1-6 Epi
Week 1-10 - Osta
Week 11-14 - PCT

 

[smclaugh87]

Been getting so much mixed opinions about this.

If I could get away with the above I would be extremely happy

Cheers

 

[smclaugh87]

So any other input on this forum for me?

 

[OneRepMax1111]

EPI is a PH 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyletioallocholanol . Epistane is different creature altogether 2,3a-Epithio-17a-methyletioallo cholan-17b-ol.

Running Osta 20mg myself, 6-8 weeks. May stack with Epistane not EPI though.

 

[smclaugh87]

Yea I have epistane.. I shouldn't shorten epistane but was just for convenience

 

[OneRepMax1111]

My bad. My first cycle. I hear Osta only really noticeably impacts in week 3. So guess I should wait and see what week 4 is like before bringing in epistane.
Neither have any major sides though Osta can be suppressive I hear.

 

[smclaugh87]

Any other advise here??

 

[OneRepMax1111]

Erm I'm new to cycling gear. So not the ideal person for advice.

Took a NO boost preworkout drink for the first time since starting osta. Incredible. Simply incredible. Boundless energy, incredible pump. Incline benched 110KG for 4 reps times 3. Usually 80kg-90kg times 8-10 reps game over. Today did 80-90kg for warm up 20 reps a go. Incline bench, decline bench, cable cross overs at high medium and low, dumbbell flys, fly machine, pec dec, all working sets all new maxs!!! Trouble is pain is minimal. Does that mean I don't grow? may add ARA to this stack.

Recommend NO booster (I used AAKG 10g with Tyrosine 3g with 2g Guarana, 2g beta alanine, 2g Taurine) simply awesome

Dunno if this is a placebo effect or the Osta, time will tell.

 

[smclaugh87]

Any other advice from anyone here guys?

cycle looks like this I am 14 weeks to the day away from my holiday

Epi 30mg week 1-5
Ostarine 20mg week 1-7
nolva 30/20/20/10 Week 8-12
DAA 3mg Week 8-12
Creatine 5mg Week 8-12
Also have a test booster


PCT timing?

Will my liver recover in time for holiday?

Is the gap between epi and PCT ok? This is my main question

Am I ok to start now?

 

[AustBenny]

Hey man i got your PM.

Looking at your cycle outlined as above.

1. Yes your liver will absolutely recover in time.

2. I'm not sure about the efficacy of stacking epi+osta on that way. I mean can't hurt but u could just as easily do 6 weeks epi and call that your cycle.

3. Do u have a 5 week PCT on purpose? Would be 9-12 for four weeks so u could run osta an extra week.

4. Your PCT timing is fine with four weeks plus two to spare u should be recovered for Thailand I would keep taking something like Alphamax through just for an extra boost.

 

[AustBenny]

What is your cycle support?

 

[yates84]

Any other advice from anyone here guys?

cycle looks like this I am 14 weeks to the day away from my holiday

Epi 30mg week 1-5
Ostarine 20mg week 1-7
nolva 30/20/20/10 Week 8-12
DAA 3mg Week 8-12
Creatine 5mg Week 8-12
Also have a test booster


PCT timing?

Will my liver recover in time for holiday?

Is the gap between epi and PCT ok? This is my main question

Am I ok to start now?

Start pct the day after your last osta dose. I would run the epistane at the end of your cycle but whatever. This cycle isn't going to put a huge hit on your liver, just use the proper cycle supports and you're gtg.

 

[5Percent]

Week 1-6: Epistane and test base of choice.
Week 7-10: Serm pct+Pct supps

 

[smclaugh87]

Support supps
Nac 2400mg
Tudca 400mg
Niacin 600mg
Ubiquinol 200mg
Fish oil..
Orange triad
The above isthe daily amount but doses are split in 2.

So do you mean run epi week 1-6 and osta week 1-6 amd pct at week 7? Yea I could do that.

Seems strange starting pct weeks after i stop epistane.

Started yesterday and will keep a post on results

 

[jantios]

Will be following! Smash those weights!

 

[smclaugh87]

So into the second day and...... PLACEBO AHOY!!!

I feel like a king..

More reps, more sets and more energy..

My legs got absolutely smashed today

Squats, leg press, superset of weighted lunges and stiff leg DL's, calf raises seated and barbell, nearly 2 hours and it was gruesome!!

my current workout routine is.. HIIT fasted in the morning 3-4 days a week and usually 4 weight sessions..

Day 1 chest and biceps
Day 2 cardio abs
Day3 legs incl calves
Day 4 cardio abs
Day 5 Back an triceps
Day 6 Cardio abs
Day 7 shoulder and calves

After a week or so I will see how I recover. I might do HIIT in the morning and come back and do another shoulder session. Need to add mass and widen the delts and bring out the abs.. I also have the impossible dream of one day having calves but I'm not hopeful!!

Other than that I am 79kg, 5ft 10in and around 14% BF.. I train hard and eat very well. Over the next 8 weeks I will be at a calorie deficit but only taking 300-500cals off. I have a background in nutrition so being at 14% BF is not good. This was mainly due to needing to add mass for a long time..

 

[smclaugh87]

Ok guys so its a week..

Few phenomenal sessions in the gym the past week. Feeling and looking bigger already.

I know epistaine takes around 3 weeks to show anything but haven't heard how long ostarine takes to show signs...

Had a poor sleep last night and with cutting calories I think I'm feeling it.. Very lethargic today. Got between 5 and 6 hours sleep. Usually get 7.5.

Having a re-feed today and will do cardio later after a power nap (or I might give it a miss depending on how I feel).

Other than today I have been feeling incredible, I have a real sense of well being and in a great mood constantly.

Slight pain at the bottom of back so will up the fish oil and maybe add some cissus.

Got everything I need for PCT.. Nolva, DAA, creatine and a test booster..

Few friends are going through some awful shut down from long cycles and abusing compounds!! Not worth the risk for me as they have lost everything they worked for over past year!!!

Haven't done any heavy lifts with the pain in my back but will be squatting tomorrow if there is no pain and update then

 

[smclaugh87]

Hi guys,

So last night I started feeling a little tickle on the back of my throat and today I feel like sh*t.

I don't get sick very often but I have a fever, headache, cough from my chest and some other aches and pains.

I don't like taking pain meds on a normal day never mind nearly 2 weeks into this cycle.

Do you guys recommend any pain meds that won't have a further detrimental affect on my liver? Usually here in the UK we use iboprufen or paracetamol but the later is very heavy on the liver from what I have read..

Any suggestions?
Should I come off cycle?

 

[smclaugh87]

So I ended up catching some kind of bad bug.. I rarely get sick but it was awful,, From 25th-28th I didn't train at all... Lost 4lb through not eating.. Strangely I lost no strength and very little muscle mass.. I ended up cutting out the epistane. Within an hour of taking a 10mg cap I was feeling nauseous this happened for 5 days and felt like my body was reacting badly to it. I came off and felt great again after a day or 2..

I have been cutting in very well and over the past 4 weeks I have went from 15% BF (I know I said 14% before but after looking at myself again it was likely 15-16%) to around 12% (Being sick did slightly speed that up).. I think over the next 4 weeks I could get to 10 maybe 9%..

This stuff is incredible for cutting.. Other than the sick few days (where I didn't eat at all) and 2 or 3 cheat meals in the past month my diet has been nearly perfect..

I have a few progress pics and will continue to do this over the next 4 weeks and show them at the end....

Cheers

 

[smclaugh87]

Ok... Another few great sessions done.. Took a rest on Sunday.. Had an amazing leg session on Monday and my legs had an incredible pump..

Few big changes coming up in next 3 months.. Short story.. New job, new city, getting married..

Added some extra calories this week.. Just post workout.. mashed banana, 2tbl spoons peanut butter and some honey.

Looking forward to seeing the results over next few weeks.

1 negative is my back is a little sore around the lumbar.. I realised my fish oil ran out a week ago and haven't been taking it.. Will need to fix that tomorrow.

 

[jt75]

Word of warning with high doses of nac,it can oxidise and cause kidney stones if taken on its own but paired with vit c it will be e****lent at preventing oxidation. Nac being a precursor to glutathione will protect liver against free radicals but pairing it with vit c will provide more protection against damaging free radicals. Healthcare specialists recommend 3 times more vit c as nac.

 

[OneRepMax1111]

PCT starts Monday. Osta 8 weeks at 30mg with EPI 4weeks at 40mg just completed. First cycle and all. So here's the feedback with bro-science in mind. IMO nothing to sing or dance about gains wise. Nutrition partitioning of osta may have helped strip an inch off my waistline, Epi may have contributed to some muscle hardening. Placebo achieving this kind of yield in the same length of time would not surprise me.

In my view methyls as a starting point for me is perhaps an anabolic gateway. Got a first hand taste of the effect on the liver, only mild sides such as bile reflex rectified by upping OCS dosage.

Protein synthesis improved. The inevitable loose stool that results from whey protein was noticed less frequently. Though stomach aches were notice as the digestive system obviously must go into overdrive as soon as I consumed a post workout shake or a bedtime one.

What next? I will continue looking into PH supps as well as SARMS. LGD is more powerful than Osta though more likely the non methylated root for PH supps is most preferred by me.

Now the long wait through PCT begins in the hope that the pectoralis major firmness achieved on cycle does not turn into bitc%t!t outswingers.

 

[jt75]

That cycle shouldve resulted in immense gains mate,30mg osta per today is above the recommended dose and so is 40mg epistane,get bloods done ASAP to see how you are across the full spectrum ie cholesterol,liver values,hdl, lol, test, estrogen etc

 

[jt75]

P.s. What's your pct look like

 

[OneRepMax1111]

HPTA seems intact. Good testicular volume. Lebido normal. PCT may be a formality really.

3g DAA
Arimistane
natty test boosters on hand if needed (Not a big fan of pointless boners) LJ100, Bulgarian Tribulus, Panax Ginseng 95%, Ginko Biloba,.mucuna pruriens

Serm not essential in my view. Estrogen will be brought back to normal with Arimistane, will use DIM, Indole 3 carbinol before looking into sourcing tamoxifen.

Prolactin is normal. Since refactory period during intercourse is a good indicator of prolactin, that's been incredible owing to ginko biloba, mucuna, agmatine etc.will continue hopefully.

Blood work would be incredible as a point of departure though not necessary given the mild nature of these supps, my experience has shown the effects to be mild all round.

Liver health principally concerns me. The industry should do more in getting beginners away from methyls IMO.

 

[jt75]

HPTA seems intact. Good testicular volume. Lebido normal. PCT may be a formality really.

3g DAA
Arimistane
natty test boosters on hand if needed (Not a big fan of pointless boners) LJ100, Bulgarian Tribulus, Panax Ginseng 95%, Ginko Biloba,.mucuna pruriens

Serm not essential in my view. Estrogen will be brought back to normal with Arimistane, will use DIM, Indole 3 carbinol before looking into sourcing tamoxifen.

Prolactin is normal. Since refactory period during intercourse is a good indicator of prolactin, that's been incredible owing to ginko biloba, mucuna, agmatine etc.will continue hopefully.

Blood work would be incredible as a point of departure though not necessary given the mild nature of these supps, my experience has shown the effects to be mild all round.

Liver health principally concerns me. The industry should do more in getting beginners away from methyls IMO.

Epistane is certainly not a mild natured drug my friend,it's harsh on the liver and as your estrogen has been kept low from it then the chance of rebound is there,arimistane is a suicidal inhibitor and will crush your estrogen even further meaning the chance of rebound is even higher again plus your joints will suffer again. Just get a serm and definitely get bloods,no amount of libido levels you feel is any way an indicator to your overall health after the cycle you've just ran.

 

[OneRepMax1111]

Solid advice.

DiIndolemethane, indole 3 carbinol, luteolin are available for rebound concerns as I said. Indole 3 carbinol upregulates good estrogen while nullifying bad. Blood work would be incredible in an ideal world.

You're right about joints! Bursitis in left shoulder, tendonitis, tennis elbow, right knee rigid inflamed. Estrogen is not the enemy of a healthy body.

There are claims out there that anabolic gains can effectively be gained through myostatin inhibition pathways as effectively as the endocrine manipulation path.

Perhaps Epicat, Laxogenin are worth a shot after PCT since I want a few weeks of zero supps first you know see if pecs stay pecs or a t!tty sling is needed.

 

[jt75]

Go for ep1c unleashed after pct or even during,I did 8 weeks and my endurance,recovery,body recomping was e****lent, well worth a shot in my opinion

 

[OneRepMax1111]

Ep1c. duly noted