My first cycle
- 09-24-2013, 03:46 PM
My first cycle
I know there is a lot of threads on this and I have read and read but I am still confused. I have done a lot of research and now just looking for some opinions.
I am 41 yrs old, 198 lbs and 18% bf. I started back working out 3 yrs ago and now I am looking for a little extra help due to I'm older and hard to gain the muscle that I am looking for. This will be my very first ph cycle.
So here is what I have and just trying to put it all together and learn how to dose it and when. I work out 5 days a week @ 5:30 am for 1 hr to 1 1/2 hr
1 bottle Mega DMZ
1 bottle Cycle Armor
1 bottle Xtreme PCT
2 bottles Erase
2 bottles Endosurge
2 bottles DAA
1 bottle Deer Antler Test
I am looking into purchasing a serm but cant make up my mind which one.
I am currently on a fish oil, multivitamin, maca, and the normal protein, pre-workout and creatine
Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated!!
- 09-24-2013, 04:17 PM
Over 40, have you had your test levels checked? Toremifene is worth the extra few dollars for PCT. Everyone has a favorite. Good luck. PM me if you need questions answered.
- 09-24-2013, 04:49 PM
yea. I had them checked last yr. They were a little lower than I wanted but I have worked on that some but haven't checked them again. What about the dosage of the above stack?
09-24-2013, 05:18 PM
09-24-2013, 05:57 PM
09-24-2013, 09:10 PM
Alright, so I got 2 options on a serm. But what do yall recommend on when to take these & is all these a good stack or do I need all of this or is there something better or what? Thanks!
09-24-2013, 09:27 PM
09-24-2013, 09:32 PM
Its borderline excessive once you add the SERM so you're fine. I don't spend a lot on supplements but PCT is a different story. I'll take whatever I have the $ for to hold onto gains. Read some DMZ threads while waiting for your torem or clomid to show up and see what side effects may arise and what results to expect. Model your diet and training after the more successful runs with DMZ. Ask questions that are specific here when you have them. Good luck too.
09-24-2013, 09:33 PM
09-25-2013, 11:49 AM
Alright, this is what I am thinking and planning on. Let me know if it should be different!
cycle armor - week 1 - 6 1 a.m. 1 p.m.
mega dmz - week 2 - 5 1 a.m. 1 p.m.
xtreme pct - week 6 - 9 1 a.m. 1 mid day 1 p.m.
endosurge - week 6 - 11 2 a.m. 1 mid day 2 p.m.
erase - week 6 - 11 1 a.m. 1 p.m.
serm of my choice - 6 - 9
I cant figure out if I need to fit in the antler test and daa or not. Thinking I'm good without it. What do yall think?
09-25-2013, 12:58 PM
09-26-2013, 09:42 AM
09-26-2013, 11:10 AM
09-27-2013, 12:42 AM
09-27-2013, 11:16 AM
Yeah any DAA type product such as Intimidate SRT will really shine in PCT allowing your natural test levels to recover more rapidly than without it. IDK about the deer antler though
09-27-2013, 12:55 PM
09-27-2013, 01:11 PM
09-27-2013, 03:09 PM
Please don't listen to the idoit who's telling you to use clomid without erase. Although it Is tru its better to start erase at week 2-3 but clomid over any other serm will cause an estro rebound after you stop using it so an ai like erase is essential. While you're on climid you're fine because it will block the estro receptors but once you jump off you'll have a huge rebound without an ai on hand
09-27-2013, 03:47 PM
09-27-2013, 03:50 PM
Doesn't matter how long a persons been on here, doesn't change how much someone knows. And you're trying to say erase is not an AI?..... its a suicidal aromatase inhibitor
09-27-2013, 04:00 PM
My confusion... With the arsenal of OTC products out there and their PRO or XT or V2 versions, I had confused erase with another. I just use Aromasin, an AI. Easy to remember. Just getting irritated with the lack of educated, thoughtful, and polite disagreements as of late. Straight to name-calling instead.
09-27-2013, 04:04 PM
Erase it the closest otc product to aromasin and functions in virtually the same way, also has anti cortsol and cortisil reducing properties. By far best and most effective otc ai on the market
09-27-2013, 04:06 PM
I hear great things about it. For the record I don't think he should ditch it either... See what we're doing here? We're learning(or at least I am) AND making nicey-nice. I prefer this to name calling.
09-27-2013, 04:12 PM
09-27-2013, 04:45 PM
Alright.... so I'm really confused now. So do I need erase or not? Do I need the DAA?
My serm of choice ended up being Torem. It will be here Monday. So I am about ready to get this show on the road! What are my best options on this ride?
09-27-2013, 05:22 PM
09-27-2013, 05:34 PM
09-27-2013, 06:07 PM
09-27-2013, 06:12 PM
09-27-2013, 06:39 PM
09-27-2013, 06:51 PM
09-30-2013, 09:32 AM
Thanks guys!!! I am trying to get it right for my first cycle. I hope to see great results! Any other suggestions or tips would be greatly appreciated!!
09-30-2013, 09:50 AM
You should structure your pct as such;
Could add another test booster like activate xtreme, titanium, hcgenerate if youd like but it's not necessary. Also I plan to use creatine hcl, and also usp labs compound 20. From what I've read about it and how it works theoretically it should help significantly in retaining your gains threw pct
09-30-2013, 12:30 PM
09-30-2013, 12:43 PM
09-30-2013, 12:45 PM
09-30-2013, 01:00 PM
at no point in time did i say in pct, but i have run different test boosters and high dose daa before which i always run with an AI for the improved effectiveness of the product
09-30-2013, 01:03 PM
OP, running a DMZ log right now if you're interested. I read about every single DMZ log the internet had to offer before my run.
Only on day 15 now but its has been good to me so far! Just a little lethargy so far but I've gained 8lbs+ though...
09-30-2013, 01:19 PM
09-30-2013, 01:24 PM
lol you can call me whatever you like and say im and "idoit" for not having experience but i notice that theres way to big a of a trend of people with alottttt of experience having no idea what theyre talking about. In my opinion you should know everything there is to know before you start, so that theres knowledge before experience and not the other way around. not to say that you OP are unknowledgeable (which you may be but im not saying either way as i dont know you) but i simply am saying that before youre quick to call me out and tell me im not right for being in experienced first you have to tell me what info ive said is not accurate? with some things its better to learn from experience and trial and error, in others (such as steroids which will alter your entire bodies physique and hormonal system) its much better to first acquire a large base of knowledge and then make the plunge, which is what ive done.
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