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    Quote Originally Posted by Porrabolan View Post
    ok but dermacrine does not limit the capacities of sd I supose. Today i'll go to de doc to apply for a blood test. Hope everything s fine
    No, it will not limit the capacities at all; if anything derma is an enhancement to your cycle.



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    I need help wiht the pct, what it'll be like? tamoxifen, daa,6bromo...at which doses x week?
    Tamox could be ran 20 all the way through for four weeks or even 40/40/20/20; friends have done 20/20/10/10 after certain cycles, but if someone wants to chime in here I think you can't go wrong with the 20 all the way through or the 40 drop.

    DAA 3g before workout for no more than 6-8 weeks

    The 6 Bromo, try not to go past 50mg during PCT.

    Also on that same site ya looked, pick up a bottle of an on cycle protection (organ shield/protection), get Formasurge, a good Support Cycle and get either a great test booster or PCT assist and you should be golden.
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    Also get a joint supp and a multivitamin as well, you could get those in your local stores; might be closing soon, but tomorrow or so get something with glucosamine chondroitin and that'll help out with dry/achy joints and ligaments.
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    When you get a moment please write here what you purchased or what you're considering, my posts above will have you covered; I just want to make sure that everything is lined up for ya.
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    OK. So that's what i got at the moment:
    -whey
    -bcaas+glutamine
    -seriouss mass(not as a gainer, only for some carbs in the pwo shake)
    -multivitamin: got animal pak and multipro
    -vitamin c
    -fish oil (omega 3) 300caps-
    1 bottle of DAA
    -1 bottle of p5p
    -2 bottles of hawthorn berry
    -1 bottle of taurine
    -1 bottle glucosamine chorindrine
    -liv52
    -1 bottle of 6 bromo
    -1bottle of pro sd
    -1bottle of potassium

    ...i think that's all...I gotta get some tamoxifen

    .Ok i'll buy the cycle suport but i think it's not really necessary with all that stack. The test booster...daa by itself works great, i dont think i need more, but we can talk about it, that's something that i can get nearby if i need it.I got blood test next week and the results by the first week of march so i'll wait till that day and if everything it's fine i'll start.how do ya see it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porrabolan View Post
    OK. So that's what i got at the moment:
    -whey
    -bcaas+glutamine
    -seriouss mass(not as a gainer, only for some carbs in the pwo shake)
    -multivitamin: got animal pak and multipro
    -vitamin c
    -fish oil (omega 3) 300caps-
    1 bottle of DAA
    -1 bottle of p5p
    -2 bottles of hawthorn berry
    -1 bottle of taurine
    -1 bottle glucosamine chorindrine
    -liv52
    -1 bottle of 6 bromo
    -1bottle of pro sd
    -1bottle of potassium

    ...i think that's all...I gotta get some tamoxifen

    .Ok i'll buy the cycle suport but i think it's not really necessary with all that stack. The test booster...daa by itself works great, i dont think i need more, but we can talk about it, that's something that i can get nearby if i need it.I got blood test next week and the results by the first week of march so i'll wait till that day and if everything it's fine i'll start.how do ya see it?
    Well, if you haven't gotten your nolva yet, if you could get it, I would have to recommend using Torem instead. You will feel much better on Torem rather than Nolva and it's a lot less toxic for your liver; use that in conjunction with formasurge + DAA and you're good to go. I used that during my helladrol and beastdrol stack and on top of proper supps and a lot during pct; the only thing that came back bad was a bit of high cholesterol. This is why I'm strongly suggesting to you to get a few more items, because sd alone is harsh enough.

    Yes, please buy the cycle support it will help you out a lot and let me know which ones you are looking at and we can look at the ingredients. If anything, you might have to go to your drugstore and get maybe a couple more things; better safe than sorry and no matter what anyone tells you superdrol is a steroid, do it right and you will have a great cycle. Do your pct right and proper, and you will recover. The taurine will cover you from pumps, take 3-5g's of that pre-workout. Take the vitamin c 500mg to around 2k on cycle and when you're in PCT boost it up to 3k the first 3 weeks then slowly cut down on the last week from 3k to 2k to 1k to 500 then stop.

    The test booster (on top of pct assist) + DAA + formasurge (AI) will work great together during pct on top of your serm. Use that formasurge from the first day of your PCT and then use it 2 weeks after the last day of your PCT to prevent E rebound; which may or may not occur. They claim you won't get gyno, but I say bull-ish to that, because I've read and heard of some ppl catching that, so keep an eye on bloating, your emotions, libidio and in that case, you use a few pumps of forma; hopefully it won't happen, but it's something to keep an eye out for.

    Other than that I think you're just about set; however, doing more research and reading more when you have free time will help you a lot during and after your cycle as well.
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    ok thank you very much!! but i def go with the nolvadex because it's a lot easier to get here in spain and I think it's good enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porrabolan View Post
    ok thank you very much!! but i def go with the nolvadex because it's a lot easier to get here in spain and I think it's good enough.
    cheers for the reps and no worries bro that's what we're here and this is prob one of the best forums I've looked and been around to get info and yeah you'll definitely be good to go with nolva.
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    Hey guys, i'm thinking if it would be nicer to get 2 bottles of stano and runnit 1 week before de pro sd like:600/600/800/800/800 stanomeanwhile the pro sd will: 0/20/20/30/30it's a lot easier to get stano than dermacrine here. It will help with the libido too? or just with the lethargy...may I let this stuff apart and go for the dermacrine(which is more expensive btw)?. Let me know fellas. thx!!
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    start it a week after or at same time
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    Well, another use pointed out for the stano to really shine you'll need a bit more; although I think those doses are good. Definitely as hvac mentioned, start it at the same time or a week after. This will help with your libido and also with lethargy; still not a test base, but will have rather similar positive effects, ya know.

    Can't go wrong with the derma in my opinion and if you stack all that together then that's even more beast; however, it's up to you, just whatever you plan on doing throw it on here and we'll help ya out. Nothing wrong with changing your mind here and there [we all do it, and I'm in the middle of going back and forth now], however, at one point get everything ready to go so you won't have to run looking at diff supps/ diff meal outlines n regiments and etc.

    The only thing you should pre-load before your SD, is your hawthrone berry and get milk thistle. If you get a cycle assist, pre-load it 2 weeks before then; some will say only a week, but rather safe than sorry. This is also very subjective, but I also preloaded my transderm (in your case dermacrine) 2 weeks prior to starting my cycle, some will say do and others don't.
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    i was up to 1400 mg on stano after cycle, stayed at. 1000mg on cycle
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    Hello guys!!! long time no see ya! haha. Today i've received my blood and urine test results and all is perfect and ready to go, so I will be starting the cycle as soon as I get the little stuff that i haven't bought already. I should buy the dermacrine and the cycle support for the cycle no later than tomorrow. Can I began de sd and then add the dermacrine when it arrives or better all stacked together since the first time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porrabolan View Post
    Hello guys!!! long time no see ya! haha. Today i've received my blood and urine test results and all is perfect and ready to go, so I will be starting the cycle as soon as I get the little stuff that i haven't bought already. I should buy the dermacrine and the cycle support for the cycle no later than tomorrow. Can I began de sd and then add the dermacrine when it arrives or better all stacked together since the first time?
    thx people!
    What's good brotha, very glad to hear things came back normal, but before you hop on your cycle let's make sure you have the main things first and given some wiggle room (depending on how long it takes to get certain items), we can get you up and running.

    Yes, def get dermacrin that is going to help you out a lot while on cycle and just use it as long as you're on cycle. As soon as you're done with your cycle, you're not using dermacrin during PCT. Yes, get the cycle support as well, definitely should have those things on hand when running SD.

    Before you start your cycle, do a 2 week pre-load your liv-52 and Hawthrone Berry; this is pretty important.

    Next when you start your cycle, let me see which support you will purchase and from there we can see if we need to keep the Liv-52 and HB; I think you should be good without the extra, but better safe than sorry. I'd would recommend stacking dermacrin and SD together and running them together throughout your cycle. Essentially, you want to stack dermacrin, SD, cycle support.

    Every four to five hours separate between dose/cycle support:
    Wake up, wash your chest and upper shoulders or take a shower and then apply the dermacrin to those areas; you might read this DO NOT PUT IT ON YOUR SACK! Hahah sorry but you wouldn't believe how many times I got asked that. I don't know what time you eat and what not, but this is an example:

    Dermacrin first thing you wake up
    10am -- breakfast with SD and fish oil
    2 or 3pm -- lunch/snack/empty stomach (better w/ food and/or good snack): support supplements
    7 or 8pm -- dinner with SD and fish oil
    12 -- 1 am -- snack/empty stomach (prefer with light meal/snack): support supplements

    Of course your hours may change and you'll have to setup a good regiment where you'll be able to hit all of your doses and don't be afraid to take them with you and take em when you're out; it's a vitamin, hahah you know what I mean. Other than that, I think you look just about set, but I have to stress that you have all the essential on hand and to have everything you need sometime not too long ago starting this. Drink 1.5-2 gallons of water and on top of that have something with electrolytes and get in a good amount of fiber. Any other questions post em here or PM and keep us updated on this one.
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    Whoops and of course the most important part will be your pct, make sure you have your nolva, test booster, daa and something with trib/fadogia in there and if you can stretch out a bit more money, I would also recommend getting formasurge or something with formestane in there. Gotta go harder in PCT and make sure you keep all those gains you could get from SD.
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    hey guys! today i've just started the cycle, taking 10mg sd preworkout, tomorrow i'll start with the 20mg dose. I've just ordered the dermacrine so it will take about a week to be on my hands, i think that is not going to be a problem being only week at 20mg sd ED without de dermacrine. Finally I didn't ordered the cycle support because I don't want to expend so much money and I already had some good stuff intracicle. Tomorrow i'll go for NAC 600mg wich i will take once i bump tp 30mg. I'm taking 6 pills of liv52 ED, 2g of hawthorn berry, 1 cap p5p (prolactine issues), 2g glucosamine ,5g msm, 2g chorondrotin, !0g fish oil, multi, 2g vitC and 100mg of potassium. I kept the taurine in case i need it. So i think thats all...now train hard and eat huge!!lil


    schedule:

    8.30am 45g protein shake + 120g oats

    11.00am 4 slices of wheat bread (120g) with 100g turkey + 3 scoops bcaa xtend

    14.15. 100g rice or 120 pasta with 200g of chicken/ beef + almonds +yogurt

    16.30 pre workout: berries, banana or pinneaple with almonds and fish oil for the sd. + 3 scoops bcaas xtend

    17.15workout

    18.50 post workout: 60g protein shake + 1 white bread sandwich with honey+1 wheat bread sandwich with 50g of turkey

    21.30. lil salad + 60g rice + 250g fish + almonds + yogur

    23.30 45g protein shake + big peanut butter sandwich with wheat rice!

    and that's all...all the weights are before cooking.what do dou thing?? good enough?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porrabolan View Post
    hey guys! today i've just started the cycle, taking 10mg sd preworkout, tomorrow i'll start with the 20mg dose. I've just ordered the dermacrine so it will take about a week to be on my hands, i think that is not going to be a problem being only week at 20mg sd ED without de dermacrine. Finally I didn't ordered the cycle support because I don't want to expend so much money and I already had some good stuff intracicle. Tomorrow i'll go for NAC 600mg wich i will take once i bump tp 30mg. I'm taking 6 pills of liv52 ED, 2g of hawthorn berry, 1 cap p5p (prolactine issues), 2g glucosamine ,5g msm, 2g chorondrotin, !0g fish oil, multi, 2g vitC and 100mg of potassium. I kept the taurine in case i need it. So i think thats all...now train hard and eat huge!!lil


    schedule:

    8.30am 45g protein shake + 120g oats

    11.00am 4 slices of wheat bread (120g) with 100g turkey + 3 scoops bcaa xtend

    14.15. 100g rice or 120 pasta with 200g of chicken/ beef + almonds +yogurt

    16.30 pre workout: berries, banana or pinneaple with almonds and fish oil for the sd. + 3 scoops bcaas xtend

    17.15workout

    18.50 post workout: 60g protein shake + 1 white bread sandwich with honey+1 wheat bread sandwich with 50g of turkey

    21.30. lil salad + 60g rice + 250g fish + almonds + yogur

    23.30 45g protein shake + big peanut butter sandwich with wheat rice!

    and that's all...all the weights are before cooking.what do dou thing?? good enough?
    Rushing out of the gates with this, but alright let's go over a few things since you've already started. A week shouldn't be too bad, it's going to help out in a lot of areas. Sometimes, spending a bit more money to make sure you're protected, isn't a bad idea man; I know it's costly, but we'll add a couple of things to what you have to complement it all together.

    Get in that good amount of NAC and take in MT as well (depending on your liv 52, is it himalaya? As long as your bottle has dosages on it, that's fine); if the HB you have is 565 mg, don't hit 2k from the get go due to it will initially raise your BP for a bit of time. You should be good with 10g of fish oil; I mean you're taking in 10x the normal dosage, but depending on several things you may not need that high of a dosage. 3g taurine before w/o if you start to notice back/calf pumps and also get in a good source of potassium (either 2 banana's a day/pill form); I feel like I write that in almost every PH outline/cycle suggestion, because it really helps out.

    Diet looks good, add more vegetables, drink loads and loads of water, train hard as fck and you'll be made. Just listen to your body and try to check your bp if you can; if you can as well to make certain you're taking care of your body get blood work halfway through the cycle and after PCT. Halfway through the cycle don't freakout if you do/don't get blood/depending on the results don't hit the panic button; wait till a bit after PCT to get it checked again and you'll be fine. Everyone is different, can't stress that enough, just because one person recovered quicker and better than someone else, doesn't mean it will happen for another person. Keep us updated whenever you can and best of luck!
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    Also you may get headaches for the first few days, if that persists it could be a spike in your BP, so certain things like celery seed extract, the HB (reasonable doses and may even cause headaches from the beginning). Don't abuse advil, nothing with para in it as well, all that will do is add extra stress to your liver and kidneys.

    If you can I would highly recommend getting red yeast rice for cholesterol and having oatmeal/cheerios will aid in lowering that too. I re-read everything you have on hand and pick up some magnesium for your pct as well (make sure you get in a good amount of potassium/magnesium/healthy amount of sodium, don't go crazy with sodium though, on top of everything you have; you may need to get a few more things along the way, but we'll play it by ear and see and you'll be good to go).
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    ok I'm down to 1g HB ed, and probably i'll down to 8g de fish oil I take lots of fish oil because my knees tend to be painful. Thanks again Sinx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porrabolan View Post
    ok I'm down to 1g HB ed, and probably i'll down to 8g de fish oil I take lots of fish oil because my knees tend to be painful. Thanks again Sinx
    No worries bro and I feel ya on that, I hit between 5-6g of fish oil and it helps out a lot in conjunction with other supps.
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    hi!! it's said to say but i had to stop the sd cycle at the third day because i caught some stomach virus and i wasn't feeling very well. May be it's been the fact of trying to eat so much. I'm thinking in keeping the sd and the dermacrine till july and run the epistane in about one week or two because i'm not going to stack it with tren it. I run it before at 40 for 6w long, so now i plan to do 40/40/40/50/50/50...do you think tamoxifen is really needed for pct or just the DAA? That's not a final decission it's something that i'm thinking because running the epi after the sd will be shieet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porrabolan View Post
    hi!! it's said to say but i had to stop the sd cycle at the third day because i caught some stomach virus and i wasn't feeling very well. May be it's been the fact of trying to eat so much. I'm thinking in keeping the sd and the dermacrine till july and run the epistane in about one week or two because i'm not going to stack it with tren it. I run it before at 40 for 6w long, so now i plan to do 40/40/40/50/50/50...do you think tamoxifen is really needed for pct or just the DAA? That's not a final decission it's something that i'm thinking because running the epi after the sd will be shieet.
    thx!!
    my bad its been a few days, but did you stop the cycle? You can't quit after picking up a bug, that's one of the most common sides; I caught several bugs and sever water contamination poisoning and still pushed through. If you quit just after a few days, run the DAA and a test booster, save your serm; no point in using that for an underdosed amount of SD and you'll be alright bro.
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    hey!! yes i had quit after to days of sd... no need for daa or test booster. When dermacrine got home (last wednesday) i put 4 pumps (i dont know if i should bump to 5) and 30mg of pro epi by dragon nutrition ED. After one week i'm going up the dose to 40 and then to 50 or even 60 (30/40/50/50/50/60) and i'll buy another boutle of dermacrine. Pct will be daa 3.5 for 5w and tamoxifen 20/20/10/10 with all the other sups that i was planning to put on sd..the sd cycle will have to wait till july-august.
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    No doubt so you've switched from SD to EPI, alright no doubt, same rules pretty much apply when it comes to supps and timing of taking epi/support supps. Just be careful going up to 60 and listen to your body; as long as you don't go crazy with the derma you should have more than enough for 1 cycle. I have a bottle of transderm that I used between 4-5 pumps everyday for nearly 8 weeks and still have a good amount, I wouldn't suggest running it that long, because you'll notice some slight estrogenic effects, either way keep us updated and best of luck.
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    hey sinX, there's only 130 pumps in my dermacrine...so at 4-5 pumps a day it's not longer than 4weeks... i will continue at 4 till i up the dose to 50mg. I'll be very careful if i up the dose to 60, maybe adding some NAC. No way I'm doing more than 8w of derma...i think i will do 6-7w.
    I will be telling my feelings about this cycle but the epi is going to take its time to kick...about a week and a half more or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porrabolan View Post
    hey sinX, there's only 130 pumps in my dermacrine...so at 4-5 pumps a day it's not longer than 4weeks... i will continue at 4 till i up the dose to 50mg. I'll be very careful if i up the dose to 60, maybe adding some NAC. No way I'm doing more than 8w of derma...i think i will do 6-7w.
    I will be telling my feelings about this cycle but the epi is going to take its time to kick...about a week and a half more or so.
    No doubt yeah be careful hitting 60 and 50 some say is an incredible feeling. Definitely use any support supplements you have, it will still put stress on your organs; granted not nearly as much as SD, but still. Nah don't pull a me and run that for 8 weeks +, you'll definitely get bloat and after a good run of strong libido it'll crash a bit; just don't go crazy with it and you'll be alright. You'll also know when that epi kicks in and on top of that when you hit your sweet spot, it's gonna feel great.
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