First PH cycle. ULTRADROL log

[blujay88]

Get some DIM @ 100 mg a cap. Take it once a day, I have it and its a good natural AI that's dirt cheap for a 30 day supply.

[joesgainshc]

Get some DIM @ 100 mg a cap. Take it once a day, I have it and its a good natural AI that's dirt cheap for a 30 day supply.

I will surely look into that. Since I have pre-existing gyno, I'm thinking about maybe trying letro for a tiny bit after I cut sometime during my cycle. It's the only AI that is supposed to kill estrogen. Which might make some of the prexisting stuff go away I'd hope.

[joesgainshc]

Get some DIM @ 100 mg a cap. Take it once a day, I have it and its a good natural AI that's dirt cheap for a 30 day supply.

Damn DIM really is dirt cheap. I found 100(200 mg caps) for like $11. Would it be okay to order it now and just take it when it gets here? I will just take the nolva until it does and then take this the last couple days with the nolva and taper off like 10mg for two days, then continue to take the DIM through the rest of my cycle.

[blujay88]

I have a formula from a thread I found and saved:

Letro:
1. .5 mg Ed
2. 1 mg Ed
3. 1.5 mg Ed
4. 2 mg Ed
5. 2.5 mg Ed
Stay at 2.5 mg for 4-7 days and taper down
1. 2 mg Ed
2. 1.5 mg Ed
3. 1 mg Ed
4. .5 mg Ed
5. .25 mg Ed

So that's 5 days dosing up, then 4-7 days maintenance and 5 days dosing down. It says it should reverse Gyno. But you should use nolvadex after the letro as you would when you PCT from a cycle to rebound your normal level balance. But it says ur not going to be getting it up for a little.

[blujay88]

I would run the nolvadex along with the cycle if ur having flare ups right now until your done with your pct. Don't stop the nolvadex because its stopping the estrogen from binding to your receptors. I would take the dim at 200 mg for the first week and drop it to 100 mg for the rest of the cycle and PCT, even keep it at that dose off PCT for a while till your body feels stable again. I would order it now, you'll be okay till it gets there as long as its within a week or so.

[blujay88]

I think that 10 mg a day of nolvadex while on cycle would be good until pct. But if you need 20 mg, then take that. Only you know how your body is reacting, but don't stop taking it. And if your sensitive to DIM and get an unwanted reaction like hives or something stop taking it for a week, then take 50 mg every other day.

[joesgainshc]

Took 20mg of nolva last night and I already woke up feeling better. Isn't irritated as bad and it feels sort of like normal. Will be taking nolva the next couple days at 20mg and then just keep it 10 after that until PCT.

[blujay88]

That's sounds good, also make sure your taking a daily vitamin. I take NOW foods daily vits 100 count and it's one of the better complete vitamins in my opinion.

[hvactech]

That's sounds good, also make sure your taking a daily vitamin. I take NOW foods daily vits 100 count and it's one of the better complete vitamins in my opinion.

no sourcing allowed...

[blujay88]

Okay, I didn't remember what I wrote at first but the admin must have doctored the original post. Anyways that's all I wanted to say anyways, I'll keep sources out of it from now on.

[hvactech]

UD is my next run, along with bulk up...

[blujay88]

Also, I don't know if u use a fiber supplement. But their cheap and can help move excessive estrogen out of your body. Make sure to get sugar free fiber though.

[hvactech]

Also, I don't know if u use a fiber supplement. But their cheap and can help move excessive estrogen out of your body. Make sure to get sugar free fiber though.

constructive criticism here, but multi vits and fiber being recommended during a cycle is sorta trivial dont you think?

[blujay88]

It's hard to say that the use of a multivitamin and fiber daily is more of a placebo than anything. I'm not saying that it is going to increase the results of a cycle, or make a huge difference in the short run. But having a high quality multi vitamin is important if you have deficits in certain areas. The fiber, from what I've read which wasn't much, helps regulate hormones and can help expel excess hormones. But your right, compared to a clean diet. I would have to say their trivial.

[joesgainshc]

So tomorrow is the end of week 2. Gained about 10 pounds so far. The gyno is slowly going down I feel like, so that's great. However, the back pumps are ****ING AWFUL. I took 200mg of ibprohen or whatever yesterday before bed so I could actually sleep and that helped. I think instead of taking 8mg in the morning I'm going to spread it out 3 4mg doses a day. Instead of 8mg in the morning and 4 in the evening. Maybe 8mg all at once is killing me. Strength is still slowly rising so that's great. Shoulders are looking a lot more rounded and I can even start to see some vascularity around there, Considering I'm around 19% BF that's awesome. I'm flying to California on Wednesday (i live in VA), so I'm excited to keep it all going there. The gym I go to out there is very nice.

[joesgainshc]

constructive criticism here, but multi vits and fiber being recommended during a cycle is sorta trivial dont you think?

Yeah my diet hasn't been the CLEANEST it could have been. It should be better this next week because my girlfriend cooks for me the entire time and it's usually on the cleaner side. Haha I will be eating IN N OUT burgers after some workouts though, I can't resist.

[blujay88]

Have a good time in California Joesgainshc, as for the back pumps... Personally on such a short cycle I would just take high doses of aleve or Motrin etc. Even though the pain medication can hinder your gains a little bit, it's better then going without and if you only take 400 mg at night I'm sure you won't notice any losses. Try drinking more water, cutting sodium and hitting the bananas a couple times a day as well. From what I've seen on forums other BB say that taurine in the higher doses of 3-7 grams a day can help along with increased water consumption and sodium cuts. As for the diet, man... I can't stress it enough that the cleaner and balanced it is the more explosive results you'll see, the less sides and water retention as well. Whatever you BMR is, plus your exercise expense = maintenance. Add 700 calories a day to account for what it takes to build a pound of muscle. So if your BMR + EE = 2400, add 700 for 3100 clean calories on a bulk cycle. But add an extra 350 calories a day just because the cycle is so short, so somewhere in the range of 3450 calories a day. It's tough it really is, I did a test. e cycle for my first cycle and wished I would have just ate clean while on cycle, it's dangerous to put your body through a cycle and you should be your own doctor when doing a cycle. Anyways, a good macro to start would be 23 % protein, 55 % carbs and 22 % fat. But hey man, this is all just advice... Do what ever the F*** you wanna do!