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    You should look at my log lots of details and weekly pics Epi-v shreds Old fug, Read all about it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
    You should look at my log lots of details and weekly pics Epi-v shreds Old fug, Read all about it...
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    If this is the wax, what is good to start with? Is clen a better starting point? Never doing anything harsher than clen so need some assistance! I'm 5'11, 240 lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy_6224 View Post
    If this is the wax, what is good to start with? Is clen a better starting point? Never doing anything harsher than clen so need some assistance! I'm 5'11, 240 lbs.
    Diet is the answer, I mean supps can help lose some of the fat but diet is 95% so do the 95% then supps to finish ...
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    Right, my diet is pretty strict. High protein, moderate carbs and fats. Just looking for something to help me lean out and lose some fat thats better than your generic fat burners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy_6224 View Post
    Right, my diet is pretty strict. High protein, moderate carbs and fats. Just looking for something to help me lean out and lose some fat thats better than your generic fat burners.
    Yah they don't do enough that if makes that much of a difference untill you are in the latter stages that's the time for a little help.... Diet to get you close and then use things like Pro Xanthine to give you a boost. Then finish off with something like EPI-V ... I don't have too much difficulty and I am a classic endo...don't need things like Clen really...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yah they don't do enough that if makes that much of a difference untill you are in the latter stages that's the time for a little help.... Diet to get you close and then use things like Pro Xanthine to give you a boost. Then finish off with something like EPI-V ... I don't have too much difficulty and I am a classic endo...don't need things like Clen really...
    Me too! I have a terrible time losing weight/fat though. Im going to step my cardio up and get even stricter on my diet and go from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy_6224 View Post
    Me too! I have a terrible time losing weight/fat though. Im going to step my cardio up and get even stricter on my diet and go from there.
    I use intermittent fasting protocol ... lean gains...might be worth a shot..
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I use intermittent fasting protocol ... lean gains...might be worth a shot..
    Do you have a good article or blog about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy_6224 View Post
    Do you have a good article or blog about that?
    Bigdaddy... First and foremost I need to say dieting is the hardest aspect of anyone's routine, minus those very lucky select few that are truly MESOMORPH's (put muscle on easy and keep fat off easy), both the ECTOMORPH's & ENDOMORPH's although polar opposites struggle with their diets to achieve their goals. OK, with that being said and completely agreeing with DW on diet being like 95% or more of how you look and what you can achieve with the exercise being done, all I can say is if it is not happening like it should, then it is 100% a problem in your diet somewhere. Remember, everyone is different, I have to clean my diet up so clean it is ridiculous in order to see the kind of results I want, but when I do, ask anyone here who knows me or has followed one of my Logs, what I can do is nothing short of Amazing and I promise you it is 95%+ all diet related! Diet is the key, there is no magic pills, there is no quick-fix, they only amplify/assist your efforts. Example, if you are giving it 100% they can help you achieve 110% results from 100% effort. In the big scheme of things that is amazing, but only if you are truly giving it 100%. Not trying to come down on you or act all high and mighty, believe me, I'm not, I definitely have my own pit-falls, just trying to emphasize the importance of proper diet and nutrition and ultimately help you learn what took me years to figure out!
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    I agree with Al. Without your nutrition on lock you are just spinning wheels. Remeber supplements are exactly that...they fill in the gaps that our nutrition cannot provide. In the case of using Phs nutrition WILL make or break a cyle (I know from experience...we probably all do).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Bigdaddy... First and foremost I need to say dieting is the hardest aspect of anyone's routine, minus those very lucky select few that are truly MESOMORPH's (put muscle on easy and keep fat off easy), both the ECTOMORPH's & ENDOMORPH's although polar opposites struggle with their diets to achieve their goals. OK, with that being said and completely agreeing with DW on diet being like 95% or more of how you look and what you can achieve with the exercise being done, all I can say is if it is not happening like it should, then it is 100% a problem in your diet somewhere. Remember, everyone is different, I have to clean my diet up so clean it is ridiculous in order to see the kind of results I want, but when I do, ask anyone here who knows me or has followed one of my Logs, what I can do is nothing short of Amazing and I promise you it is 95%+ all diet related! Diet is the key, there is no magic pills, there is no quick-fix, they only amplify/assist your efforts. Example, if you are giving it 100% they can help you achieve 110% results from 100% effort. In the big scheme of things that is amazing, but only if you are truly giving it 100%. Not trying to come down on you or act all high and mighty, believe me, I'm not, I definitely have my own pit-falls, just trying to emphasize the importance of proper diet and nutrition and ultimately help you learn what took me years to figure out!
    I agree 100%. The hardest part for me is finding the right balance of carbs/protein to get results. Still a work in progress. I may create my own blog just to track and share my current diet/training methods. Supplements are never the complete answer, and I know how diet plays the most important role in your look. Just thought I would try something I havent tried before. Thanks guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy_6224 View Post
    I agree 100%. The hardest part for me is finding the right balance of carbs/protein to get results. Still a work in progress. I may create my own blog just to track and share my current diet/training methods. Supplements are never the complete answer, and I know how diet plays the most important role in your look. Just thought I would try something I havent tried before. Thanks guys!
    BD... my dieting style is a LiL more old school vs. what DW and Green do with Lean Gains with IF, but I will share it with you because I was just like you, looking for the right fit and this helped me find the right fit for me. All proper diets are the exact same in one way and that is the macros have to be correct and the overall calories have to be correct, the rest is land-yap in my opinion unless one is truly in the very last stages/wks of a real pre-contest, ready to hit the stage style prep. Basic macros are 50% protein, 25% carbs, 25% fat, now after you have done this for a while you will find what you are more/less sensitive to, for example... I do best with around 55% protein, 25% fat, & 20% carbs, that is my magic number for right now and even that can change as my physique changes, as I age and my metabolism changes, etc. So be flexible and be willing to change. Next, find out what your resting metabolism is excluding your working out or cardio, once you have that info, lets just for easy math sakes say it is 2,000 cals. Then you want to find out (accurate guestimate, always round down) how many calories you are burning per day via workout &/or cardio, some days you may do only one, other days both and adjust your calories accordingly to always be in a 500calorie deficit in order to get leaner and a 500calorie surplus to gain mass, so if you are trying to lose weight and it is a workout day and you typically burn 500 cals per workout, then you eat all 2,000 cals, if it is an off day, then eat 1,500 cals, if it is a day where you do cardio and workout and both consume 500 cals each, then you eat 2,500 cals that day, pretty simple, don't over complicate it, keep it simple, but precise and measure things, schedule things, prepare in advanced, will help keep you from cheating or straying from the diet, etc.

    Pit-Fall...
    don't think about doing both (gaining mass and dropping fat), just concentrate on one or the other, trying to do both is advanced and you need to make sure you can accomplish both (individually) successfully before moving to the advanced stages of trying to do both at the same time, which is where supplements (PH's & fat-burners, etc.) are crucial!

    Where my diet differs from DW & Greens is I do mine in 6 meals evenly spread out through out the day and they will get all their calories (perfect macros, same amount of calories) but in an 8hr window out of each 24hr day, the rest is exactly the same. The difference between our diets is more of a preference difference, not that one works better than the other. But, with that being said, if one is easier for you than the other, then it is your obvious choice, again keep it simple, don't over-complicate your diet any more than necessary. For me, the 6 small meals lowers my appetite, makes me never feel bloated, I feel lighter and faster and like eating often, so it is easier for me. DW & Green, they prefer eating larger portions within their 8hr window, maybe it works better for them due to their work-schedule and timing through out the day, whatever their reason, they have found what works best for them and I only advise you do the same.

    In short, before I come across as too preachy, if the Cals are on target and the macros are on target it has to work, no differently than math... 2+2 will always = 4. Oh and one last thing... 99.9999999999999 infinity % of the time when someone says their diet is on target, but they just can't seem to lose fat, whether they realize it or not, there is a problem in their diet somewhere, somehow!
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    Yah Al still does it the hard way...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    BD... my dieting style is a LiL more old school vs. what DW and Green do with Lean Gains with IF, but I will share it with you because I was just like you, looking for the right fit and this helped me find the right fit for me. All proper diets are the exact same in one way and that is the macros have to be correct and the overall calories have to be correct, the rest is land-yap in my opinion unless one is truly in the very last stages/wks of a real pre-contest, ready to hit the stage style prep. Basic macros are 50% protein, 25% carbs, 25% fat, now after you have done this for a while you will find what you are more/less sensitive to, for example... I do best with around 55% protein, 25% fat, & 20% carbs, that is my magic number for right now and even that can change as my physique changes, as I age and my metabolism changes, etc. So be flexible and be willing to change. Next, find out what your resting metabolism is excluding your working out or cardio, once you have that info, lets just for easy math sakes say it is 2,000 cals. Then you want to find out (accurate guestimate, always round down) how many calories you are burning per day via workout &/or cardio, some days you may do only one, other days both and adjust your calories accordingly to always be in a 500calorie deficit in order to get leaner and a 500calorie surplus to gain mass, so if you are trying to lose weight and it is a workout day and you typically burn 500 cals per workout, then you eat all 2,000 cals, if it is an off day, then eat 1,500 cals, if it is a day where you do cardio and workout and both consume 500 cals each, then you eat 2,500 cals that day, pretty simple, don't over complicate it, keep it simple, but precise and measure things, schedule things, prepare in advanced, will help keep you from cheating or straying from the diet, etc.

    Pit-Fall...
    don't think about doing both (gaining mass and dropping fat), just concentrate on one or the other, trying to do both is advanced and you need to make sure you can accomplish both (individually) successfully before moving to the advanced stages of trying to do both at the same time, which is where supplements (PH's & fat-burners, etc.) are crucial!

    Where my diet differs from DW & Greens is I do mine in 6 meals evenly spread out through out the day and they will get all their calories (perfect macros, same amount of calories) but in an 8hr window out of each 24hr day, the rest is exactly the same. The difference between our diets is more of a preference difference, not that one works better than the other. But, with that being said, if one is easier for you than the other, then it is your obvious choice, again keep it simple, don't over-complicate your diet any more than necessary. For me, the 6 small meals lowers my appetite, makes me never feel bloated, I feel lighter and faster and like eating often, so it is easier for me. DW & Green, they prefer eating larger portions within their 8hr window, maybe it works better for them due to their work-schedule and timing through out the day, whatever their reason, they have found what works best for them and I only advise you do the same.

    In short, before I come across as too preachy, if the Cals are on target and the macros are on target it has to work, no differently than math... 2+2 will always = 4. Oh and one last thing... 99.9999999999999 infinity % of the time when someone says their diet is on target, but they just can't seem to lose fat, whether they realize it or not, there is a problem in their diet somewhere, somehow!
    Thanks for the info man! I really appreciate it! I am going to sit down this weekend and pick my diet apart and properly calculate my macros. I have a diet that a trainer wrote for me based off of a 35/45/20 split (Protein/carbs/fats) that I started back on this week and dropped 2 lbs. It worked pretty well, but with my new work schedule some adustments will need to be made to better fit my schedule. For instance, I lift at 5:30 am, and eating egg whites and oatmeal prior is pretty difficult unless I get up at 4 am...and I have a 1 yr old....sooooooo...LOL! But be on the look out for my forum post! Right now I am actually only taking glycoject (post workout carbs), protein (ON 100% Whey), Animal Pak vitamins and fish oil. Just the basics. Giving my system the month of september off and see how my body reacts with no fat burners, creatine, PH's, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc

    BD... my dieting style is a LiL more old school vs. what DW and Green do with Lean Gains with IF, but I will share it with you because I was just like you, looking for the right fit and this helped me find the right fit for me. All proper diets are the exact same in one way and that is the macros have to be correct and the overall calories have to be correct, the rest is land-yap in my opinion unless one is truly in the very last stages/wks of a real pre-contest, ready to hit the stage style prep. Basic macros are 50% protein, 25% carbs, 25% fat, now after you have done this for a while you will find what you are more/less sensitive to, for example... I do best with around 55% protein, 25% fat, & 20% carbs, that is my magic number for right now and even that can change as my physique changes, as I age and my metabolism changes, etc. So be flexible and be willing to change. Next, find out what your resting metabolism is excluding your working out or cardio, once you have that info, lets just for easy math sakes say it is 2,000 cals. Then you want to find out (accurate guestimate, always round down) how many calories you are burning per day via workout &/or cardio, some days you may do only one, other days both and adjust your calories accordingly to always be in a 500calorie deficit in order to get leaner and a 500calorie surplus to gain mass, so if you are trying to lose weight and it is a workout day and you typically burn 500 cals per workout, then you eat all 2,000 cals, if it is an off day, then eat 1,500 cals, if it is a day where you do cardio and workout and both consume 500 cals each, then you eat 2,500 cals that day, pretty simple, don't over complicate it, keep it simple, but precise and measure things, schedule things, prepare in advanced, will help keep you from cheating or straying from the diet, etc.

    Pit-Fall...don't think about doing both (gaining mass and dropping fat), just concentrate on one or the other, trying to do both is advanced and you need to make sure you can accomplish both (individually) successfully before moving to the advanced stages of trying to do both at the same time, which is where supplements (PH's & fat-burners, etc.) are crucial!

    Where my diet differs from DW & Greens is I do mine in 6 meals evenly spread out through out the day and they will get all their calories (perfect macros, same amount of calories) but in an 8hr window out of each 24hr day, the rest is exactly the same. The difference between our diets is more of a preference difference, not that one works better than the other. But, with that being said, if one is easier for you than the other, then it is your obvious choice, again keep it simple, don't over-complicate your diet any more than necessary. For me, the 6 small meals lowers my appetite, makes me never feel bloated, I feel lighter and faster and like eating often, so it is easier for me. DW & Green, they prefer eating larger portions within their 8hr window, maybe it works better for them due to their work-schedule and timing through out the day, whatever their reason, they have found what works best for them and I only advise you do the same.

    In short, before I come across as too preachy, if the Cals are on target and the macros are on target it has to work, no differently than math... 2+2 will always = 4. Oh and one last thing... 99.9999999999999 infinity % of the time when someone says their diet is on target, but they just can't seem to lose fat, whether they realize it or not, there is a problem in their diet somewhere, somehow!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Great explanation.
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    So as I'm coming close to the end of my cycle I'm starting to think if I should add ten more days.
    I have been keeping up with all my diet and exercise and been extremely busy. I haven't been able to log on the daily but promise to update tomorrow and get up to date. I have been taking pics and this is one of them. I'm going to try and post side by sides when I catch up with logging.


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    This is today. Its obvious just in this photo. I'm going to post side by sides of all my original photos on here. Once again my lighting sucks so I'm trying to get some higher quality shots in.
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    Nice progress bro, definitely more lean!
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    Whoa you look bigger and leaner.. I am actually a little surprised at the size gain, but hey I guess there is no complaint there. I know it makes you harder and cuts you up but the gains are not what I would normally expect not as much as you have gained anyway...
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    I definitely see a big difference.
    That routine looks killer. I usually try a upper & lower split with 5 sets & 20-25 reps doing 1 or 2 exercises & 4 muscle groups a day. Sounds weird I know.
    You liking this routine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
    Yah Epi-v supplies a nice stim so you get good workouts...
    Is there caffeine & 1,3 in the product?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1
    I definitely see a big difference.
    That routine looks killer. I usually try a upper & lower split with 5 sets & 20-25 reps doing 1 or 2 exercises & 4 muscle groups a day. Sounds weird I know.
    You liking this routine?

    OP, 954 you from Florida?
    Yes I live in S.Fl and am loving it.
    The routine I'm using is excellent. It's the D.T.P. program from Kris Gethen. I love to work multiple muscle groups it pushes to the next level. I've noticed I am a lot stronger than I thought. This product is excellent. I even want to add another ten days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush954

    Yes I live in S.Fl and am loving it.
    The routine I'm using is excellent. It's the D.T.P. program from Kris Gethen. I love to work multiple muscle groups it pushes to the next level. I've noticed I am a lot stronger than I thought. This product is excellent. I even want to add another ten days.
    Good deal.
    The DTP program does look intense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
    Whoa you look bigger and leaner.. I am actually a little surprised at the size gain, but hey I guess there is no complaint there. I know it makes you harder and cuts you up but the gains are not what I would normally expect not as much as you have gained anyway...
    Thanks a lot. I would still like to cut some more. The Epi-V is a great product. I'm already thinking of what would be my next product to try from finaflex. I was extremely surprised on the effectiveness and had no issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurningGreen
    Nice progress bro, definitely more lean!
    It is motivating to see your log. Your food and exercise plans are on point. Your log helped me to keep at it. I have a few days left. I will keep up with your log.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Is there caffeine & 1,3 in the product?
    Yah it's still the original formulations...
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    How do you like the DTP training? Thinking about trying it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy_6224
    How do you like the DTP training? Thinking about trying it out.
    It's pretty challenging.
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    Cool. I read it wasn't a good workout if your trying to cut. True or false? I say false just by looking Rush's results!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy_6224
    Cool. I read it wasn't a good workout if your trying to cut. True or false? I say false just by looking Rush's results!
    Does it provide a cardio burn that can help burn excess calories? Yes. The cool thing about the routine is that it seems to help w/strength and produce a cardio effect. I plan on trying it more often in the future.

    The main thing to lose weight/body fat is all about diet. A lot of people can do it with diet w/o cardio. I was always told to lift the same as I did wether taking in excess cals or cutting back on cals. It also depends on where u are @ in the sport. If you don't have a lot of muscle eating properly and still lifting heavily I think would be a better benefit. Experimenting around to see what works best for you is the best bet though in my honest opinion.

    Bottom line is some people prefer to burn cals via cardio, others prefer to do no cardio and watch what they eat a bit closer.
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    I personally followed the D.T.P. to the tee. It calls for cardio on non-workout days. It was excellent for my cutting phase. I have to say diet was the key to accomplish goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush954 View Post
    I personally followed the D.T.P. to the tee. It calls for cardio on non-workout days. It was excellent for my cutting phase. I have to say diet was the key to accomplish goals.
    Nice bro, you have discovered the secret/ holy grail to getting cut...NUTRITION!!! The Epi-V definitely helps, but to win the war
    you have to eat right. Well done sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurningGreen View Post
    Nice bro, you have discovered the secret/ holy grail to getting cut...NUTRITION!!! The Epi-V definitely helps, but to win the war
    you have to eat right. Well done sir.
    Nutrition makes me lean

    Nutrition + Epi-v make me leaer, drier and harder

    Just Epi-v without nutrition is a waste of time and money...like all things..
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    DreamWeaver you mentioned Intermittent Fasting. Do you have a blog up about it and your results?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy_6224 View Post
    DreamWeaver you mentioned Intermittent Fasting. Do you have a blog up about it and your results?
    This might take you a week to read and catch up, but it definitely will answer every single question you could ever have about LG & IF...
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    PCT Time, from a long run ...PCT Black, Crea-Trona, Pure Test...

    Epi-v shreds Old fug, Read all about it...

    Both those logs are very detailed what I ate and weekly pics in the epi-v log...
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    Checking in on ya bro, hope your cycle is going smooth!
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