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    Cool IBE Epistane Log April 2, 2012


    Hey everyone this is my first prohormone and my first cycle log!
    My planned cycle is as following:

    Preload:
    2 week preload of milk thistle/hawthorn berry
    Cycle:
    IBE epistane@ 20/30/40/40/50/50
    CEL cycle assist@ 8/8/8/8/8/8
    Multi,joint support, taurine, fish oil supplements
    PCT:
    Nolva@ 30/20/10/10
    DAA@3g/3g/3g/3g
    Erase@ 1/1/3/2/1 (after reading might not include this anymore)
    Activate Xtreme@ recommended dose
    Cycle Assist @ 8/8/8/8
    Multi,joint support, creatine, fish oil supplements

    Thanks for reading!

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    17 day preload of milk thistle and hawthorn berry

    Day 1 MONDAY
    9am - 10mg epistane
    1pm - 4pills CEL cycle assist
    5pm - 10mg epistane
    9pm - 4pills CEL cycle assist

    Felt really strong in the gym but got some weird back pains (must of been backpumps) picked up some taurine and took 1500mg of it! any feel that it is weird i got back pumps on my first dose of 10mg?

    Workout: Chest/Tri
    BB bench press 185x10, 225x10, 245x8, 265x6, 275x6
    DB bench press 85x12, 95x10, 105x8
    Flat Fly 55x15, 60x12, 65x10
    Cable crossover 3x13-15
    "V" grip cable pushdown 4x10
    Rope cable pushdown 3x13-15

    Breakfast:
    10 egg whites
    1 cup oatmeal
    2 serving greek yogurt
    8oz v8 juice
    Pre-workout:
    1 serving gold standard protein
    post-workout:
    2 serving gold standard protein
    2 baked potato
    lunch:
    8oz pork chop
    3 cup spinach w/ balsamic
    2 serving greek yogurt
    snack:
    2 serving casein protein
    3 whole eggs
    dinner:
    10oz pork chop
    1 cup broccoli
    2 serving greek yogurt made into tzatziki
    snack:
    2 serving casein protein
    3 whole eggs
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    thanks for the support guys! (:
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    Day 2 TUESDAY
    9am - 10mg epistane
    1pm - 4pills cycle assist
    5pm - 10mg epistane
    9pm - 4pills cycle assist


    Appetite is definitely through the roof! Woke up in the morning and was absolutely starving (never happens to me, usually have to force breakfast down) sleeping was kind of weird and i felt very "tight" throughout the night (oohhh rhymed LOLS)

    Awesome workout today! My back was completely filled with blood and lat pulldowns felt insane, especially with an added drop set!

    Workout: Back/Abs
    Bent over BB rows 185x10, 225x10, 255x10, 275x8, 315x6
    Lat pulldown 3x10 with drop sets after each set
    Parellel grip lat pulldown 4x10
    low cable row 3x15
    Hanging leg raise 3x25
    Cable crunch 4x15

    Breakfast:
    2 serving gold standard
    10 egg whites
    2 pieces whole wheat bread
    5 servings greek yogurt
    Lunch:
    10oz skinless boneless chicken breast
    3 cups spinach w/ balsamic
    Pre-workout:
    1 serving gold standard
    post-workout:
    3 serving gold standard
    Snack:
    8oz pork chop
    5 servings greek yogurt
    Dinner:
    16oz (4 fillets) talapia
    3 cups spinach
    1 baked potato
    snack:
    3 scoops casien protein



    will update throughout the day (: thanks for reading!
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    Question, why did you say in your original post that you might not use the Erase in your pct?
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    Looking good man I usally prefer clomid for epi but nolva works too. Hit it hard brother
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    i decided not to include erase because i have read a lot about how it contradicts the purpose of a SERM and will only cause estrogen rebound in the end..i will replace it with lean xtreme to make sure cortisol levels do not get out of control
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    Quote Originally Posted by liftsalot View Post
    Looking good man I usally prefer clomid for epi but nolva works too. Hit it hard brother
    Why do you prefer clomid over nolva for an epi cycle? this is my first cycle and i have no personal experience so i went with the most popular, which seemed to be nolva! thanks bro! im definitely hitting the gym hard 6 days a week
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    you guys really think all the preloading is necessary?? i dont see the purpouse. think about all the booze,pop etc that people pound down all the time and how much the liver can handle. i dont think a short cycle of a ph is gona do alot of damage.
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    Day 3

    9am - 10mg epistane
    1pm - 4pills cycle assist
    5pm - 10mg epistane
    9pm - 4pills cycle assist

    Workout: Shoulders/Biceps
    DB military press 70x12, 80x12, 90x10, 100x8
    Arnold press 55x10, 60x10, 60x10
    Upright rows 95x12, 105x12, 115x10
    Cable lateral raises (6/6/6/6 switch mini-sets)
    Alt. DB curl 50x10, 55x10, 60x8
    1 arm DB preacher 40x12, 40x12, 40x12
    Hammer curl 60x8, 60x8, 60x8, 60x8

    Diet -
    Breakfast:
    6oz steak
    10 egg whites
    2 whole wheat toast
    Pre-workout:
    2 serving gold standard
    Post-workout:
    2 serving gold standard
    Lunch:
    10oz boneless skinless chicken breast
    3 cups spinach w/ balsamic
    2 serving plain greek yogurt w/ frozen fruit
    8oz v8 juice
    Snack:
    2 serving casien protein
    Dinner:
    10oz Ahi Tuna
    2 cup broccoli
    Snack:
    2 serving casien protein
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    Quote Originally Posted by schroedes View Post
    you guys really think all the preloading is necessary?? i dont see the purpouse. think about all the booze,pop etc that people pound down all the time and how much the liver can handle. i dont think a short cycle of a ph is gona do alot of damage.
    Honestly i have mixed opinions on preloading and it pretty much just came down to "better safe then sorry" but while i agree with some of your statement, prohormones are still more dangerous to the body than those substances imo. Thats why i decided on preloading hawthorn berry and milk thistle instead of the entire cycle assist since those are really the only two items you need to "preload" to take effect. But honestly the effects of PHs on the body and the amount of difference the support supplements really make is...questionable. I will probably always preload just because i dont want to be sorry in the end.
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    Day 4: Off Day

    9am - 10mg epistane
    1pm - 4pills cycle assist
    5pm - 10mg epistane
    7pm - 4pills cycle assist

    Breakfast:
    2 scoops casien protein
    5 egg whites
    5 whole eggs
    8oz ham
    Lunch:
    12oz Boneless skinless chicken breast
    3 cups spinach w/ balsamic
    2 serving plain greek yogurt
    Snack:
    2 scoops casien protein
    Snack:
    6oz steak
    2 whole wheat toast
    Dinner:
    16oz tilapia
    3 cups spinach w/ balsamic
    Snack:
    2 scoops casien protein
    Snack:
    2 scoops casien protein
    2 serving plain greek yogurt

    Felt extremely weird today and had intense lower back pains that honestly scared the shhhh it out of me! took a lot of taurine and my cycle assist a little bit early to try to counteract the "back pumps" and it worked fine. Felt great the next day but honestly thought i was going to be sick at the store where the pain started!

    will update but just incase, does anyone have ideas what would happen if i had to stop my cycle after 5 days? do i start pct as normal or was epistane not in my system long enough to make a big difference?
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    Day 5:

    9am - 10mg epistane
    1pm - 4pills cycle assist
    5pm - 4pills cycle assist
    9pm - 10mg epistane

    Workout: Chest/Tris
    Incline BB bench 185x10,225x10,235x10,245x10,25 5x8
    Incline DB bench 90x12, 90x11, 90x11
    Incline DB fly 50x12, 60x10, 60x10
    Cable crossover 3x12-15
    V bar pushdown 3x10-12
    Rope pushdown 3x13-15
    Overhead cable pushdown 3x10-12

    Diet:
    Breakfast:
    2 scoops casien protein
    10 egg whites
    2 serving plain greek yogurt w/ frozen fruit
    Lunch:
    10oz chicken breasts (bone and skin)
    2 serving plain greek yogurt made into tzatziki
    Pre-workout:
    2 serving gold standard
    Post-workout:
    2 serving gold standard
    Snack:
    5 whole eggs
    2 pieces whole wheat toast
    3 cups spinach
    Dinner:
    10oz salmon
    2 cups asparagus
    2 medium baked potatoes
    Snack:
    2 serving casien protein


    Feeling good today after the scare I had from the other day! Weight is going up in the gym quite dramatically and pumping out more reps is getting easier and easier! Feeling like an animal and i can definitely tell that my muscles are tightening up and im loosing a lot of water weight! veins are becoming pronounced and the pump i got from my chest workout today was incredible...i finally understand that famous Arnold saying

    Will update throughout the day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaOs42 View Post
    Why do you prefer clomid over nolva for an epi cycle? this is my first cycle and i have no personal experience so i went with the most popular, which seemed to be nolva! thanks bro! im definitely hitting the gym hard 6 days a week

    I do because epi is an AI in itself so ive read alot that when nolva is used for a pct with epi that it can suppress estrogen even further and increase the chances of rebound gyno. Im sure youll still recover fine with it ive seen guys use nolva and recover fully but clomid is just usally the perfered. I would definenatly use the erase though man bring it in on week 3 of pct start at 2 to 3 caps a day and taper down. That prevents estogen from going crazy when coming off a serm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liftsalot View Post
    I do because epi is an AI in itself so ive read alot that when nolva is used for a pct with epi that it can suppress estrogen even further and increase the chances of rebound gyno. Im sure youll still recover fine with it ive seen guys use nolva and recover fully but clomid is just usally the perfered. I would definenatly use the erase though man bring it in on week 3 of pct start at 2 to 3 caps a day and taper down. That prevents estogen from going crazy when coming off a serm.
    Thank you for that info bro! good looking out! i am going to keep the erase in my pct but i was planning on using it for its anti-cortisol as well as controlling my estrogen rebound...should i take 1 pill of erase for the first 3 weeks and then bump it up to 3 pills and taper down to 1 again (read someone on this site from the PES sponsor that 1 pill will help lower cortisol levels but wont suppress estrogen), add in lean xtreme, or just not worry about it and start the erase 3 weeks in?
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    Day 6: Off Day

    9am - 10mg epistane
    1pm - 4pills cycle assist
    5pm - 10mg epistane
    9pm - 4pills cycle assist

    Diet -
    Breakfast:
    5 whole eggs
    2 whole grain toast
    4oz ham
    Snack:
    1 serving plain greek yogurt w/ frozen blueberries
    2 scoops casien protein
    Lunch:
    10oz boneless skinless chicken breast
    3 cups spinach
    1 serving plain greek yogurt w/ frozen blueberries
    Snack:
    2 scoop casien protein
    Snack:
    5 whole eggs
    2 piece whole wheat toast
    1 cup spinach
    Dinner:
    16oz extra lean ground beef
    2 cups spinach w/ balsamic
    Snack:
    1 cup fat free cottage cheese
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    Sorry for the long wait...i was considering quitting my cycle because of some abnormal feelings/sides but decided to continue on and i am back on track and feeling great thanks to the support of this great website! (: since the last 4 days my diet has been perfect and starting monday i bumped up my doses of epistane to 30mg per day and am really noticing the leaning affects from epistane. I am harder, leaner, more muscular, veins are insane even when im sitting and watching TV, and the pumps i am getting while working out is, for lack of a better word, EXTREME! Loving epistane! i will continue my log from day 10...sorry about the gap

    Day 10: Wednesday-Arms

    9am - 10mg epi
    1pm - 4pills cycle assist
    5pm - 10mg epi
    9pm - 4pills cycle assist
    1am - 10mg epi

    DIET:
    Breakfast:
    5 whole eggs
    2 pieces whole wheat bread
    4oz roast beef deli meet
    Lunch:
    8oz extra lean ground beef
    2 pieces whole wheat bread
    4 cups spinach w/ balsamic
    Pre-workout:
    2 scoops gold standard whey
    Post-workout:
    2 scoops gold standard whey
    Snack:
    Dinner:
    Snack:

    Workout:
    Bi
    BB curl 95x8,115x8,135x6
    Incline Alt DB curl 40x10,40x10,40x9
    1 arm DB preacher 45x10/25x15,45x10/25x15,45x9/25x15
    Hammer Curl 60x8,60x8,60x8
    Tri
    Reverse Close Grip Bench 215x6,255x6,285x6
    Decline Skull Crusher 115x10,145x10,165x8
    V Bar Pushdown 3x10
    Rope Pushdown 3x10/15
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    I'd bump up your Taurine doseage... Look at taking ~3-5 Grams for back pumps... Just the average number I've found doing research... I normally take NLT 3G and it seems to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzie88 View Post
    I'd bump up your Taurine doseage... Look at taking ~3-5 Grams for back pumps... Just the average number I've found doing research... I normally take NLT 3G and it seems to help.
    I take around 3-5gs of Taurine per day and i haven't experienced any horrible back pumps besides 1 time at walmart. As of right now for the last 2 days i have not even been taking Taurine and have no back pumps whatsoever (:
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    I read on ur back w/o you were doing bent bb rows with 315?? @ 5'10 which is not short for bodybuilding, 200+ lbs. What kind of form r u using? That would be stout. Repping 315 on deadlifts isn't even a cakewalk. Could u elaborate on this??
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    Could see u getting back pumps from that... Ha!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by supraseed48 View Post
    I read on ur back w/o you were doing bent bb rows with 315?? @ 5'10 which is not short for bodybuilding, 200+ lbs. What kind of form r u using? That would be stout. Repping 315 on deadlifts isn't even a cakewalk. Could u elaborate on this??

    Sorry i call them BB rows in my log book but they are actually called "yates rows" the form is looser and more upright then regular BB rows, more like a 120 degree angle instead of a strait 90 degree angle in the back (hands are NOT supinated) i find they work better and the only time i use strict BB rows is when im doing dead stop rows for a change up in routine. My back is my strongest body part and my favorite lol

    hope that helps you understand!
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    Day 11: Legs

    Supplements:
    9am - 10mg epi
    1pm - 4pills cycle assist
    5pm - 10mg epi
    9pm - 4pills cycle assist
    1am - 10mg epi


    Diet:
    Breakfast:
    5 whole eggs
    2 pieces whole wheat toast
    3 cups spinach
    Snack:
    2 scoops casien protein
    Lunch:
    8oz extra lean ground beef
    2 medium baked potato
    2 cups plain greek yogurt
    1.5 cups frozen fruit
    Pre-workout:
    2 scoops gold standard whey
    Post-workout:
    2 scoops gold standard whey
    Dinner:
    1lb extra lean ground beef
    2 pieces whole wheat bread
    .5 cup onion
    Snack:
    5 whole eggs
    2 pieces whole wheat bread
    Snack:
    2 scoops casien protein


    Workout: LEGS
    Squats 225x5/275x5,315x5,375x5,405x5
    Leg Press 10 plates per side --->2 plates off every set ---> 5xfailure
    Leg Curl 4x13-15
    Leg Extend 4x13-15
    Calf Raise 4x15-20
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    Quote Originally Posted by supraseed48 View Post
    Could see u getting back pumps from that... Ha!!
    haha no kidden bro! luckily i havent experienced any back pumps from these! but the pump i get from lat pulldowns are INTENSE! i feel like my back is about to rip out of my skin lol.

    thanks for reading man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaOs42

    haha no kidden bro! luckily i havent experienced any back pumps from these! but the pump i get from lat pulldowns are INTENSE! i feel like my back is about to rip out of my skin lol.

    thanks for reading man!
    oh yea bro.. Love to read about guys killin that iron!! Keep it up!!
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    Day 12: Friday

    9am-10mg epi
    1pm-4pills cycle assist
    5pm-10mg epi
    9pm-4pills cycle assist
    1am-10mg epi

    Workout: Shoulders
    BB shoulder press 4x3-6
    135x6/175x6,205x6,225x6,255x4
    Behind neck press 3x10
    135x10,145x10,155x10
    DB shoulder press 3x13-15
    70sx15,80sx13,80sx14
    Side raises 3x10
    25sx10,35sx10,35sx10
    Cable rear delt pulls 4x10
    DB shrugs 4x13-15
    115sx15,130sx15,150sx14,160sx1 3

    Diet:
    Breakfast:
    5 whole eggs
    2 pieces whole wheat toast
    2 cups greek yogurt
    Lunch:
    16oz top sirloin steak
    1 cup greek yogurt
    2 cups spinach w/balsamic
    Pre-workout:
    2 scoops gold standard whey
    1 cup greek yogurt
    Post-workout:
    3 scoops gold standard whey
    Snack:
    65 Shrimp
    3 cups Whole wheat pasta
    Dinner:
    16oz top sirloin steak
    2 cups spinach w/ balsamic
    1 cup frozen fruit
    Snack:
    5 whole eggs
    2 pieces whole wheat toast

    Epistane is still making me leaner and leaner as the days go by.
    Appetite is through the roof and I honestly have to stop myself from eating all my food in one sitting
    Strength is increasing rapidly and I can do more reps/less time with more weight then I could before cycle
    Workouts are getting shorter and more intense (rest times are decreasing every workout)
    Adding volume to all my workouts because I am never sore anymore, might try hitting each body part twice a week instead of once
    No side effects whatsoever as of right now...might increase to 40mg a day next week instead of staying at 30mg for another week (thoughts/help?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by supraseed48 View Post
    oh yea bro.. Love to read about guys killin that iron!! Keep it up!!
    LOL thanks bro! i will definitely keep it up thanks for the support!
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    Day 13: Saturday (off day)

    9am-10mg epi
    1pm-4pills cycle assist
    5pm-10mg epi
    9pm-4pills cycle assist
    1am-10mg epi

    Diet:
    Breakfast:
    5 whole eggs
    2 pieces whole wheat toast
    2 cups greek yogurt
    Lunch:
    2ft. "muscle sub" (contains 150g protein, 200g carbs, 36g fat)
    Snack:
    2 scoops casein protein
    Snack:
    5 whole eggs
    2 pieces whole wheat toast
    2 cups spinach w/ balsamic
    Dinner:
    16oz new york strip
    1 cup oatmeal w/ 1 spenda packet
    Pre-bedtime meal:
    1 cup cottage cheese
    2 scoops casein
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaOs42 View Post
    Day 12: Friday

    9am-10mg epi
    1pm-4pills cycle assist
    5pm-10mg epi
    9pm-4pills cycle assist
    1am-10mg epi

    Workout: Shoulders
    BB shoulder press 4x3-6
    135x6/175x6,205x6,225x6,255x4
    Behind neck press 3x10
    135x10,145x10,155x10
    DB shoulder press 3x13-15
    70sx15,80sx13,80sx14
    Side raises 3x10
    25sx10,35sx10,35sx10
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    Diet:
    Breakfast:
    5 whole eggs
    2 pieces whole wheat toast
    2 cups greek yogurt
    Lunch:
    16oz top sirloin steak
    1 cup greek yogurt
    2 cups spinach w/balsamic
    Pre-workout:
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    Post-workout:
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    3 cups Whole wheat pasta
    Dinner:
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    2 cups spinach w/ balsamic
    1 cup frozen fruit
    Snack:
    5 whole eggs
    2 pieces whole wheat toast
    damn, eating like a king lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TryHard23

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    Quote Originally Posted by TryHard23 View Post
    damn, eating like a king lol.

    Haha i thought why not its friday! might as well eat like a king since i cant drink like one
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    I definitely wish good food was cheaper! i spend around 200 bucks a week on groceries but i gotta keep my diet and protein up!
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    Day 14: Sunday (off day)

    9am-10mg epi
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    5pm-10mg epi
    9pm-4pills cycle assist
    1am-

    Diet:
    Breakfast-
    10 egg whites
    2 slices whole wheat bread
    1 cup oats w/ 2 splenda packets
    Snack-
    1 cup oats w/ 3 splenda packets
    Snack-
    2 serving gold standard whey
    Lunch-
    6oz boneless skinless chicken breast
    2 pieces whole wheat toast
    2 cups spinach w/ balsamic
    Snack-
    1 cup oats w/ 3 splenda packets
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaOs42
    Day 14: Sunday (off day)

    9am-10mg epi
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    Diet:
    Breakfast-
    10 egg whites
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    1 cup oats w/ 2 splenda packets
    Snack-
    Eating like a champ... Is your appetite at an all time high on Epi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzie88 View Post
    Eating like a champ... Is your appetite at an all time high on Epi?
    I could never imagine eating this much before! my appetite is at an all time high for sure. i could honestly eat more then i am right now but being a college student...money is already tight and i spend most of what i have on food lol, especially since i am trying to run my cycle perfectly and get the most out of it
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