IBE Epistane Log April 2, 2012

[KaOs42]

Hey everyone this is my first prohormone and my first cycle log!
My planned cycle is as following:

Preload:
2 week preload of milk thistle/hawthorn berry
Cycle:
IBE epistane@ 20/30/40/40/50/50
CEL cycle assist@ 8/8/8/8/8/8
Multi,joint support, taurine, fish oil supplements
PCT:
Nolva@ 30/20/10/10
DAA@3g/3g/3g/3g
Erase@ 1/1/3/2/1 (after reading might not include this anymore)
Activate Xtreme@ recommended dose
Cycle Assist @ 8/8/8/8
Multi,joint support, creatine, fish oil supplements

Thanks for reading!

[KaOs42]

17 day preload of milk thistle and hawthorn berry

Day 1 MONDAY
9am - 10mg epistane
1pm - 4pills CEL cycle assist
5pm - 10mg epistane
9pm - 4pills CEL cycle assist

Felt really strong in the gym but got some weird back pains (must of been backpumps) picked up some taurine and took 1500mg of it! any feel that it is weird i got back pumps on my first dose of 10mg?

Workout: Chest/Tri
BB bench press 185x10, 225x10, 245x8, 265x6, 275x6
DB bench press 85x12, 95x10, 105x8
Flat Fly 55x15, 60x12, 65x10
Cable crossover 3x13-15
"V" grip cable pushdown 4x10
Rope cable pushdown 3x13-15

Breakfast:
10 egg whites
1 cup oatmeal
2 serving greek yogurt
8oz v8 juice
Pre-workout:
1 serving gold standard protein
post-workout:
2 serving gold standard protein
2 baked potato
lunch:
8oz pork chop
3 cup spinach w/ balsamic
2 serving greek yogurt
snack:
2 serving casein protein
3 whole eggs
dinner:
10oz pork chop
1 cup broccoli
2 serving greek yogurt made into tzatziki
snack:
2 serving casein protein
3 whole eggs

[gregg1494]

sub'd

[liftsalot]

Count me in

[Go Away]

Subbed as well. Good luck homie!

[KaOs42]

thanks for the support guys! (:

[KaOs42]

Day 2 TUESDAY
9am - 10mg epistane
1pm - 4pills cycle assist
5pm - 10mg epistane
9pm - 4pills cycle assist


Appetite is definitely through the roof! Woke up in the morning and was absolutely starving (never happens to me, usually have to force breakfast down) sleeping was kind of weird and i felt very "tight" throughout the night (oohhh rhymed LOLS)

Awesome workout today! My back was completely filled with blood and lat pulldowns felt insane, especially with an added drop set!

Workout: Back/Abs
Bent over BB rows 185x10, 225x10, 255x10, 275x8, 315x6
Lat pulldown 3x10 with drop sets after each set
Parellel grip lat pulldown 4x10
low cable row 3x15
Hanging leg raise 3x25
Cable crunch 4x15

Breakfast:
2 serving gold standard
10 egg whites
2 pieces whole wheat bread
5 servings greek yogurt
Lunch:
10oz skinless boneless chicken breast
3 cups spinach w/ balsamic
Pre-workout:
1 serving gold standard
post-workout:
3 serving gold standard
Snack:
8oz pork chop
5 servings greek yogurt
Dinner:
16oz (4 fillets) talapia
3 cups spinach
1 baked potato
snack:
3 scoops casien protein



will update throughout the day (: thanks for reading!

[RJW719]

Subbed!

Question, why did you say in your original post that you might not use the Erase in your pct?

[liftsalot]

Looking good man I usally prefer clomid for epi but nolva works too. Hit it hard brother

[KaOs42]

i decided not to include erase because i have read a lot about how it contradicts the purpose of a SERM and will only cause estrogen rebound in the end..i will replace it with lean xtreme to make sure cortisol levels do not get out of control

[KaOs42]

Looking good man I usally prefer clomid for epi but nolva works too. Hit it hard brother

Why do you prefer clomid over nolva for an epi cycle? this is my first cycle and i have no personal experience so i went with the most popular, which seemed to be nolva! thanks bro! im definitely hitting the gym hard 6 days a week

[schroedes]

you guys really think all the preloading is necessary?? i dont see the purpouse. think about all the booze,pop etc that people pound down all the time and how much the liver can handle. i dont think a short cycle of a ph is gona do alot of damage.

[KaOs42]

Day 3

9am - 10mg epistane
1pm - 4pills cycle assist
5pm - 10mg epistane
9pm - 4pills cycle assist

Workout: Shoulders/Biceps
DB military press 70x12, 80x12, 90x10, 100x8
Arnold press 55x10, 60x10, 60x10
Upright rows 95x12, 105x12, 115x10
Cable lateral raises (6/6/6/6 switch mini-sets)
Alt. DB curl 50x10, 55x10, 60x8
1 arm DB preacher 40x12, 40x12, 40x12
Hammer curl 60x8, 60x8, 60x8, 60x8

Diet -
Breakfast:
6oz steak
10 egg whites
2 whole wheat toast
Pre-workout:
2 serving gold standard
Post-workout:
2 serving gold standard
Lunch:
10oz boneless skinless chicken breast
3 cups spinach w/ balsamic
2 serving plain greek yogurt w/ frozen fruit
8oz v8 juice
Snack:
2 serving casien protein
Dinner:
10oz Ahi Tuna
2 cup broccoli
Snack:
2 serving casien protein

[KaOs42]

you guys really think all the preloading is necessary?? i dont see the purpouse. think about all the booze,pop etc that people pound down all the time and how much the liver can handle. i dont think a short cycle of a ph is gona do alot of damage.

Honestly i have mixed opinions on preloading and it pretty much just came down to "better safe then sorry" but while i agree with some of your statement, prohormones are still more dangerous to the body than those substances imo. Thats why i decided on preloading hawthorn berry and milk thistle instead of the entire cycle assist since those are really the only two items you need to "preload" to take effect. But honestly the effects of PHs on the body and the amount of difference the support supplements really make is...questionable. I will probably always preload just because i dont want to be sorry in the end.

[KaOs42]

Day 4: Off Day

9am - 10mg epistane
1pm - 4pills cycle assist
5pm - 10mg epistane
7pm - 4pills cycle assist

Breakfast:
2 scoops casien protein
5 egg whites
5 whole eggs
8oz ham
Lunch:
12oz Boneless skinless chicken breast
3 cups spinach w/ balsamic
2 serving plain greek yogurt
Snack:
2 scoops casien protein
Snack:
6oz steak
2 whole wheat toast
Dinner:
16oz tilapia
3 cups spinach w/ balsamic
Snack:
2 scoops casien protein
Snack:
2 scoops casien protein
2 serving plain greek yogurt

Felt extremely weird today and had intense lower back pains that honestly scared the shhhh it out of me! took a lot of taurine and my cycle assist a little bit early to try to counteract the "back pumps" and it worked fine. Felt great the next day but honestly thought i was going to be sick at the store where the pain started!

will update but just incase, does anyone have ideas what would happen if i had to stop my cycle after 5 days? do i start pct as normal or was epistane not in my system long enough to make a big difference?

[KaOs42]

Day 5:

9am - 10mg epistane
1pm - 4pills cycle assist
5pm - 4pills cycle assist
9pm - 10mg epistane

Workout: Chest/Tris
Incline BB bench 185x10,225x10,235x10,245x10,25 5x8
Incline DB bench 90x12, 90x11, 90x11
Incline DB fly 50x12, 60x10, 60x10
Cable crossover 3x12-15
V bar pushdown 3x10-12
Rope pushdown 3x13-15
Overhead cable pushdown 3x10-12

Diet:
Breakfast:
2 scoops casien protein
10 egg whites
2 serving plain greek yogurt w/ frozen fruit
Lunch:
10oz chicken breasts (bone and skin)
2 serving plain greek yogurt made into tzatziki
Pre-workout:
2 serving gold standard
Post-workout:
2 serving gold standard
Snack:
5 whole eggs
2 pieces whole wheat toast
3 cups spinach
Dinner:
10oz salmon
2 cups asparagus
2 medium baked potatoes
Snack:
2 serving casien protein


Feeling good today after the scare I had from the other day! Weight is going up in the gym quite dramatically and pumping out more reps is getting easier and easier! Feeling like an animal and i can definitely tell that my muscles are tightening up and im loosing a lot of water weight! veins are becoming pronounced and the pump i got from my chest workout today was incredible...i finally understand that famous Arnold saying

Will update throughout the day!

[liftsalot]

Why do you prefer clomid over nolva for an epi cycle? this is my first cycle and i have no personal experience so i went with the most popular, which seemed to be nolva! thanks bro! im definitely hitting the gym hard 6 days a week

I do because epi is an AI in itself so ive read alot that when nolva is used for a pct with epi that it can suppress estrogen even further and increase the chances of rebound gyno. Im sure youll still recover fine with it ive seen guys use nolva and recover fully but clomid is just usally the perfered. I would definenatly use the erase though man bring it in on week 3 of pct start at 2 to 3 caps a day and taper down. That prevents estogen from going crazy when coming off a serm.

[KaOs42]

I do because epi is an AI in itself so ive read alot that when nolva is used for a pct with epi that it can suppress estrogen even further and increase the chances of rebound gyno. Im sure youll still recover fine with it ive seen guys use nolva and recover fully but clomid is just usally the perfered. I would definenatly use the erase though man bring it in on week 3 of pct start at 2 to 3 caps a day and taper down. That prevents estogen from going crazy when coming off a serm.

Thank you for that info bro! good looking out! i am going to keep the erase in my pct but i was planning on using it for its anti-cortisol as well as controlling my estrogen rebound...should i take 1 pill of erase for the first 3 weeks and then bump it up to 3 pills and taper down to 1 again (read someone on this site from the PES sponsor that 1 pill will help lower cortisol levels but wont suppress estrogen), add in lean xtreme, or just not worry about it and start the erase 3 weeks in?

[KaOs42]

Day 6: Off Day

9am - 10mg epistane
1pm - 4pills cycle assist
5pm - 10mg epistane
9pm - 4pills cycle assist

Diet -
Breakfast:
5 whole eggs
2 whole grain toast
4oz ham
Snack:
1 serving plain greek yogurt w/ frozen blueberries
2 scoops casien protein
Lunch:
10oz boneless skinless chicken breast
3 cups spinach
1 serving plain greek yogurt w/ frozen blueberries
Snack:
2 scoop casien protein
Snack:
5 whole eggs
2 piece whole wheat toast
1 cup spinach
Dinner:
16oz extra lean ground beef
2 cups spinach w/ balsamic
Snack:
1 cup fat free cottage cheese

[KaOs42]

Sorry for the long wait...i was considering quitting my cycle because of some abnormal feelings/sides but decided to continue on and i am back on track and feeling great thanks to the support of this great website! (: since the last 4 days my diet has been perfect and starting monday i bumped up my doses of epistane to 30mg per day and am really noticing the leaning affects from epistane. I am harder, leaner, more muscular, veins are insane even when im sitting and watching TV, and the pumps i am getting while working out is, for lack of a better word, EXTREME! Loving epistane! i will continue my log from day 10...sorry about the gap

Day 10: Wednesday-Arms

9am - 10mg epi
1pm - 4pills cycle assist
5pm - 10mg epi
9pm - 4pills cycle assist
1am - 10mg epi

DIET:
Breakfast:
5 whole eggs
2 pieces whole wheat bread
4oz roast beef deli meet
Lunch:
8oz extra lean ground beef
2 pieces whole wheat bread
4 cups spinach w/ balsamic
Pre-workout:
2 scoops gold standard whey
Post-workout:
2 scoops gold standard whey
Snack:
Dinner:
Snack:

Workout:
Bi
BB curl 95x8,115x8,135x6
Incline Alt DB curl 40x10,40x10,40x9
1 arm DB preacher 45x10/25x15,45x10/25x15,45x9/25x15
Hammer Curl 60x8,60x8,60x8
Tri
Reverse Close Grip Bench 215x6,255x6,285x6
Decline Skull Crusher 115x10,145x10,165x8
V Bar Pushdown 3x10
Rope Pushdown 3x10/15