Just another basic pmag log

[michael1851]

I'm in the 6th week of pmag. Good stuff. But to who ever said Greek yogurt is nasty I agree. I put it in my protein shakes to help get it in. Just a helpful hint.

[johnny75]

I will weigh myself tomorrow. My macros are looking like what you posted as well (40P/40C/20F). This stuff has me so hungry that just trying to keep up with my appetite is making me eat what I need. Looks like I'm gonna run out of protein powder though. I struggle most with the protein intake though, but mainly because I'm always trying to find more protein to eat. I never really put much thought into the carbs or fats, but I'm paranoid about protein.

Your macros look good. Im always worried about not getting enough protein too. I try to get it with food, but I need about 3 shakes a day to at least reach my daily goal. I cant wait for my cycle to really kickin...only been 3 days. LOL

[NonyaBidness]

Day 15: Thursday March 22nd, 2012
* Arms and Quads - Quality: Struggled
o 4x10-12 Standing Barbell Curls and CGBP (75, 75, 85, 85 and 185, 205, 225, 225)
o 4x10 Seated Hammer Curls and Overhead Single Arm DB ext. (35)
o 4x10 Concentration curl and Skullcrushers (30 and 75)
o 4x10 Leg Press (210)
o 4x10 Leg Extensions (110)

* P-Mag: 50mg in the Morning (**** natty status, acquiring mass)
* Cycle Assist: 4 Pills Afternoon
* Pmag: 25mg in the Evening

o I didn't have much energy this morning for my workout or much of an appetite. I posted earlier from the leg press machine. I don't know that I feel lethargic so much as I feel a bit distracted/stressed from work. My appetite is the first thing to go when I get stressed. I've been kind of forcing myself to eat though, and I forced my way through my workout. When I got home, I crashed out on my living room floor for an hour or so before heading off to work. Despite my state of being, I did manage to move more weight than last week, and I noticed my arms were looking bigger and more vascular. I still weigh 180 but I think I'm still headed in the right direction. I also spaced on my first cycle assist dose, so I'll just skip it and keep it moving.

Perhaps I need DHEA or is this just a bad day?

[johnny75]

I would suggest more Carbs & calories into your diet to help with lethargy.
Especially an hour or so before your workout.
Add some oats, peanut butter & a banana into your blender with the protein shake.
After your workout get some FOOD in you.

[NonyaBidness]

I would suggest more Carbs & calories into your diet to help with lethargy.
Especially an hour or so before your workout.
Add some oats, peanut butter & a banana into your blender with the protein shake.
After your workout get some FOOD in you.

Undercarbing could be an issue. I'll try to get some carbs preworkout too. I normally have a shake and go since I train so early in the morning and don't want to wake my daughter on the way out. I might need to blend the night before.

[NonyaBidness]

I got through my meals ok today. One thing I'm thinking is that since whey can be an appetite suppressant, it mmight be throwing my appetite off since I take it before my workout (grab n go). I might need to eat some cereal or something and have the whey when I get back.

[johnny75]

I got through my meals ok today. One thing I'm thinking is that since whey can be an appetite suppressant, it mmight be throwing my appetite off since I take it before my workout (grab n go). I might need to eat some cereal or something and have the whey when I get back.

I add a scoop of whey protein into my Cheerios sometimes @ breakfast, even add it into my oatmeal.
Whey protein in Greek yogurt doesn't help.
Cottage cheese with strawberries or blueberries is good!

[NonyaBidness]

I felt a lot better today thanks to more carbs. I think I might have tried to overdo it with the protein and wound up decieving myself into cutting the carbs. I didn't make it to the gym this morning because my daughter is sick. I will try to go this evening. Otherwise, I might just double up. I basically do a full body split followed by a second arm day since that's my number one priority on this cycle. Missing the extra arm day one time won't make too big a difference I don't think.

I took 25mg of pmag this morning and then had my CA 4 hrs later. I wanted to try taking the 50mg before my workout this evening (if I get to). It probably isn't a good idea to flip the dosages around like that though.

[johnny75]

I dont think it would matter switching the dosages. As long as you can fall asleep later, you should be fine.

[NonyaBidness]

Day 16 and 17:

I did back and shoulders last night and chest and hams this morning. I felt good and my appetite seems to be ok. I did mostly the same weights as last time, but got some more reps here and there. The only thing out of the ordinary is that I'm getting a little allergy related congestion, but that has nothing to do with pmag.

Im thinking I might rock 100mg a day from this coming Wednesday on out since 75 doesn't feel any different than 50 for me. I haven't had any sides (back pumps, etc). Not even a pimple as of yet - knock on wood.

I do have a question about diet though. I've read before that your body can only metabolize so much protein per hour. Is that true when you're on ph/ds as well?

[NonyaBidness]

Day 18:

I did my second arm workout with calfs, fore, and abs. I got a little more weight on my arms and did some fst7 with bench dips at the end. It felt great. Next week, I'll probably do the fst7 sets with cable extensions. I'm thankful that my appetite is better today too. It's not as epic as it was a week ago, but its consistent and allows me to feel energetic, which is a good indication. I'm guessing that I've gotten a bit better at maintaining blood sugar levels with my meal frequency and greater attention to carbs.

[johnny75]

I'm not sure how much protein you can metabolize, but I'm usually have a minimum of 35-40 per meal. As long as you reach your macros ....that's my goal!

[NonyaBidness]

So I'm planning on running nolva 20/20/10/10 with daa. Should I also use anti-estrogen and cortisol stuff? I've read a few conflicting things about AIs causing estrogen rebound and others saying they prevent them. As far as cortisol, how significant an issue is it?

[johnny75]

So I'm planning on running nolva 20/20/10/10 with daa. Should I also use anti-estrogen and cortisol stuff? I've read a few conflicting things about AIs causing estrogen rebound and others saying they prevent them. As far as cortisol, how significant an issue is it?

Im not sure how big of an issue it is, PMAG is a mild PH.
Im running Mechabol (Clostebol), which is what PMAG converts to.....so my PCT looks like this:
Tamoxifene 20/20/10/10
Purus Labs: Recycle & D-Pol
BPI: SOLID
CEL: Cycle Assist & Supplements

Hope this helps ya out.

[NonyaBidness]

Im not sure how big of an issue it is, PMAG is a mild PH.
Im running Mechabol (Clostebol), which is what PMAG converts to.....so my PCT looks like this:
Tamoxifene 20/20/10/10
Purus Labs: Recycle & D-Pol
BPI: SOLID
CEL: Cycle Assist & Supplements

Hope this helps ya out.

Thanks for recommending Recycle. I hadn't researched it before but it seems like a decent product. There are a million and one OTC products out there for PCT and none of them stack up to SERMs in terms of necessity. It seems like a lot of what we're paying for is peace of mind more so than results.

How are you liking Mechabol? I'm trying to figure out how it would be for a second cycle as opposed to dmz. I know it's related to SD but is supposedly less harsh on the body. I'm thinking more in terms of toxicity. I'd rather not poison myself.

[johnny75]

Thanks for recommending Recycle. I hadn't researched it before but it seems like a decent product. There are a million and one OTC products out there for PCT and none of them stack up to SERMs in terms of necessity. It seems like a lot of what we're paying for is peace of mind more so than results.

How are you liking Mechabol? I'm trying to figure out how it would be for a second cycle as opposed to dmz. I know it's related to SD but is supposedly less harsh on the body. I'm thinking more in terms of toxicity. I'd rather not poison myself.

Im still waiting for Mechabol to really kick in, just started up to 75mg yesterday. If I dont feel anything late this week bumping up to 100mg.
Im thinking the same way you are, in the middle of a cycle & already thinking about the next. LOL
I already have a bottle of Pro-Stanivar (15mg SD & 25mg Hdrol) at home, thinking about that after or HAVOC (EPI).

[NonyaBidness]

Im still waiting for Mechabol to really kick in, just started up to 75mg yesterday. If I dont feel anything late this week bumping up to 100mg.
Im thinking the same way you are, in the middle of a cycle & already thinking about the next. LOL
I already have a bottle of Pro-Stanivar (15mg SD & 25mg Hdrol) at home, thinking about that after or HAVOC (EPI).

Yeah, it's funny how much we build aas/dh up with all the "natty or not" threads on the forums. The answer is that nobody gives a phuck except teenage guys who think muscle = girls. Once I took that first pill, I was like "ya know, it's all fair game now." I'd go for Epi for a second cycle without hesitation except I'm not really interested in cutting, which is what it supposedly excells at. As far as bulkers go, dzine seems promising as did Ultradrol (until I read a company rep saying that it's not much different than superdrol in terms of the toll it takes on the body, not necessarily what you feel). I'm hoping dzine is more mild. For the level of risk that comes with sd, I'd rather pin. If only I had a source .

[NonyaBidness]

I did notice today that my hair seems to be thinning or maybe the texture is a little different. I happened to run my hands over my head and noticed that my normally curly hair felt kind straight and had less volume on the back of head than up top. It may be nothing (paranoia), but I thought I'd post. I haven't noticed any hair in the sink when I brush or when I shower. None of the areas of my hair that seem different are in areas commonly associated with mpb. My hairline and crown areas are totally fine. I keep a very close hair cut and I'm due for a buzz so it won't be too much an issue. Will it go back to how I remember it after cycle or is this the new normal for me?

[djmikeyspikes]

Did yu ever find out about the question you had about protein per hour?? That was a good one i was interested in an answer also.

Also for pct i am also taking daa with nolva but 2nd week i am starting an AI by driven sports iys called Triazole ive hear amazing things about it.

[NonyaBidness]

Did yu ever find out about the question you had about protein per hour?? That was a good one i was interested in an answer also.

Also for pct i am also taking daa with nolva but 2nd week i am starting an AI by driven sports iys called Triazole ive hear amazing things about it.

I just asked on some other boards, we'll see if anything develops. I'm leaning toward PES Erase, but I'm more concerned about estrogen rebound in taking any sort of estrogen suppressor. Something that inhibits binding and uptake seems like the way to go, but im not sure.

Also, my hair seems fine this morning. Probably a false alarm.

Brraking news on the diet front though. I was in the grocery store last night and found some yoplait lactose free yogurt. I ate a cup last night. If everything goes fine with it, I will have found a good calorie dense snack. Its amazing how having trouble with dairy products means that there are very few protein-rich calorie-dense foods you can eat as snacks. Meals are ok, but it's hard to beat 6oz or yogourt at 200 calories and 5g or protein when bulking. It didn't even feel like I ate anything after it was gone.