the revised cycle
- 09-26-2004, 02:20 AM
the revised cycle
Well, **** didn't go as planned. I found out recently that my previously planned out cycle could and most likely is underdosed. So, I had to cut to another cycle that I wasn't planning on doing til summer time, but oh well, **** happens. This is my first cycle and basically the next 3-4 months is a great time for a cycle since I have no where to go and nothing better to do than eat, sleep, and train. I'm getting out of the marine corps in less than 2 months so life couldn't be much better right now.
As for the gear, it's a blend made by one of the newer UG labs out there and I have no doubt that it's accurately dosed.
Test prop 700
Bold prop 600
Tren ace 350
Winny 50mg ed
IGF-1 30mcg ed
nolva and clomid + cialis
The first shot went today no problems into the shoulder.
BF: @ 14% (an estimate, didn't check for sure)
Chest : 49"
Arms : 19"
Waist : 39.5"
Thighs : 24.5" (6" above the knee) 28" at the usual measuring area
Calves : 16"
Last edited by Beelzebub; 12-17-2004 at 10:47 PM.
- 09-26-2004, 02:52 AM
- 09-26-2004, 10:57 AM
09-26-2004, 05:26 PM
damn mathematicians. and the bold is actually 86 but who's counting.Originally Posted by supersoldier
my shoulder is sore as **** today but from what i hear, that's normal. too early to tell anything yet but i'll keep a daily log anywayz.
09-26-2004, 06:19 PM
09-26-2004, 06:31 PM
for the igf-1 i think it would be a good idea to run it the last 2 weeks of your cycle and the first 2 weeks of post cycle as it will help with recovery and bring your boys back during the end of the cycle .... this is from what i've read and what others have said from their experience so take it for what its worth maybe someone with experience would care to comment
09-26-2004, 09:43 PM
09-27-2004, 12:13 AM
09-27-2004, 01:41 AM
cr4ytonic, yeah, i feel like a damn pin cushion already and it's only day 2. doesn't bother me though, i'll shoot as often as needed as long as the results are up to par.
glenihan, i was thinking something along those lines as well. starting the IGF around week 9 and take it two weeks into PCT. thanks for the suggestion.
shot 2 went today into the opposite shoulder. figures, i have shoulders and back tommorrow. that should be fun.
09-28-2004, 02:11 AM
pain = doing lat raises after two consecutive days of shoulder shots.
other than that, the workout was nothing out of the ordinary. deadlifts felt odd today, my whole body felt stiff. i'm used to doing deads in the evening and today i tried them in the morning so i think that may have contributed. also, japan is 16 hours ahead of cali, so i'm still adjusting to cali time. weight was the same at 248lbs.
today's shot went in the arse, no problems. ED shots are fun.
09-28-2004, 08:12 AM
damn beez i forgot how big you were,
get them calves up stick boy. hehe
hit it hard!
stick with it, no pun intended
09-28-2004, 11:25 AM
yeah, i know. thanks for reminding me ****er.
i blame it on too many years of running on pavement with the marine corps. now that i'm about to get out i won't have any more excuses.
also, do you guys think a diet split like this is good for this cycle?
Protein 500 grams
Carbs 500 grams
Fat 100 grams
It equals around 5000 cals a day. I actually think I may be eating too clean because this split isn't much different than my normal diet. Please advise.
09-28-2004, 07:14 PM
my thinking is take in 2 grams of protein for how much you WANT to weigh so maybe up that to 550 grams a day the test and bold especially should increase your appetite so i don't think that would be a problem
09-28-2004, 09:22 PM
not a bad idea glenihan, the appetite is starting to pick up slightly.
also, to all the experienced ones out there. is it normal to actually feel yourself growing? i know it sounds kind of weird, but i woke up this morning and my ribcage felt like it had stretched or something, felt real sore. it's only day 4 but i measured anyway and my chest is almost an inch larger than it was at the start. arms are up by 1/8". chest is tommorrow so i'm a tad curious to see what happens. anywho, just wondering if that kinda **** was normal this fast?
09-29-2004, 07:59 PM
Well, just got back from the gym. Incline bench is up 10lbs to 295 for 5. Very wide flat dumbbell press with hands parallel to body up 20lbs. Triceps were hard to tell if they went up or not, different cables from Japan.
Oh yeah, and I'm 254lbs now. Not bad for gaining 6lbs in 2 days.
09-30-2004, 04:33 AM
What are you doing in Japan ? I've got a thing for Asian chicks too, but I thought there was plenty when I took my vacation to San Diego back in January.
09-30-2004, 01:08 PM
10-01-2004, 04:02 PM
I got back from Japan last Saturday. It wasn't my choice going, one of those mandatory Westpac thingy's for 6 months.Originally Posted by supersoldier
10-01-2004, 04:04 PM
10-01-2004, 09:28 PM
Today's weight : 256 lbs
Well, just back from the gym a little bit ago. Legs and bi's went quite well. My intensity is going up tremendously, got 940 for 6 on leg press, and 450 on hack squat for 6. For calves I'm doing them every workout alternating between heavy days with low reps and vice versa.
For bi's, I changed my form to be a completely strict now and I got 115 on the barbell for 8 slow controlled reps. The rest of the bi workout consisted of dumbbell preacher's and double hammer curls, the pump was awesome.
I took my diet down to 4000 calories a day because the bloat was interferring with my workouts. I feel a lot better and I can workout a lot harder. I'm still getting 500+ grams of protein with about 300 carbs and 100 fats. If I feel things going awry, I'll bump the cals back up. The knots from the ED shots were getting downright painful the day after even after massaging the area thoroughly. I found that when I "rabbit punch" the area for a couple minutes that the pain isn't as bad the next day (got that idea from the old anthrax shots the marines used to give me). Anywho, I feel great, happy as a pig in **** all day long, which is surprising considering the stories I'd heard about the ever so popular "roid rage". That's it for now, I'll post measurements tommorrow if things go my way.
10-06-2004, 12:16 PM
Workout on Monday went great. Deadlifts are above and beyond where they have ever been before. I started doing deadlifts from the ground last month and I got up to 475 for 3 reps on Monday fairly easy. Rest of the workout was good, all weights went up about 10lbs. Weight is still 256lbs, measurements are up 1/4" everywhere. The most noticeable side effect is my fuse has shortened to almost non-existent. It's not out of control or anything, but I go from zero to pissed off in about 0.7 seconds. Anywho, today is chest and tris, I'll report any oddities that may occur.
10-06-2004, 10:13 PM
10-06-2004, 11:38 PM
Today's weight: 260
Chest and tris went awesome. Got 315 for 4 on incline, I'll stick to that weight next week. Dumbbell press up 15lbs. Tris are maxed out on cables and dumbbells, so I'll have to move to other exercises. Got 150lbs on behind the neck dumbbell presses for 8 reps. So far, so good. I'm killing my calves every workout now in hopes that they will catch up with the rest.
10-09-2004, 06:40 PM
Today's weight : 261lbs
Legs and bi's went good today. Leg press up 20lbs to 960 for 6. Hack squats up 2 reps from the weight last week. My calves are still screaming in pain from around 500 reps today, involving seated, donkey, standing, and 3-pointer's. Trust me, they're not overtrained, if anything they've been undertrained for way too long.
Barbell curls, got 135 for 7 reps fairly easy which is a definate improvement considering I'm doing them very strict now. Dumbbell preacher's up 5lbs. Did a burnout with cables afterwards. I'll measure in a couple days. I'm positive measurements are up, I've been feeling pretty swole lately.
Picked up cardio again a few days ago to keep the bloat off. Trying to avoid the letro at all costs.
10-11-2004, 04:05 PM
Today's weight: 265lbs
Calves: 16.5" (a tad above but close enough)
Thighs: 25.25" (6" above the knee)
Chest: 50.5" (nipple level)
Shoulders and back went good. No monstrous gains, but consistent ones. 245 for 6 on military. No deadlifts today, those are EOW now. The rest of back went up around 10lbs and a few reps. So far, so good, the adventure continues.
10-12-2004, 12:30 PM
Stomach bloat is getting out of control. I feel full as hell all day like I need to puke or something. Feels like I need to burp but can't. Every time I eat a meal, I feel the need to puke for about 3-4 hours afterwards. Is this common? Will letro possibly help this?
10-12-2004, 01:48 PM
that sounds ruthless man, isnt excess bloat caused from estrogen?
would and AI help at all? i used formastane with great results in terms of reducing bloat.
good luck, cycle looks good so far bro
10-12-2004, 02:01 PM
i hope so bro. i took 0.25mg yesterday without much help. trying to use the lowest dose possible in hopes that it won't hinder my gains. i'll keep with that dose and if **** doesn't improve, i'll bump it to 0.5mg ed. for ****s and giggles, i measured my arms this morning and the ****er said 19.75".
10-14-2004, 12:07 AM
Today's weight: 263lbs
I attribute the 2lb loss to starting letro 2 days ago. Apparently it worked though, most of the bloat issues I had went away at a nice low dose.
Anywho, did chest and tris today and everything is up nicely. Incline bench, got 315 for 7 with a slight spot on the last rep. Flat dumbbell up 10lbs, still going wide. I had to switch tri's up a little, took 60 sec breaks between sets to kill them. Tortured the calves once again utilizing drop sets after the regular calf routine. I'll remeasure everything this weekend.
10-15-2004, 12:53 PM
Letro is some serious stuff. I had been taking a low dose of 0.25 for about 3 days now and the bloating issues I had went away. Well, last night, for ****s and giggles, I decided not to take the letro and see what happens. Goddamn, within 3 hours, I could hardly move. I felt like I was about to burst through my own skin. Arms shot up over 1/4" in an hour. Face got puffy, eyes started to water, stomach bloated outwards. I seriously felt like I was going to explode. I hobbled over to the medicine cabinet, took the letro, and went to sleep. 3-4 hours later it all had gone away. While I do like the extra measurements that the no-letro experiment gave me, the bloat would be too great for me to lift properly. Powerful stuff. And at such a low dose, I wouldn't think it would hinder my gains, what do ya'll think?
10-15-2004, 03:58 PM
wow that's incredible that just not taking it one day made you blow up like that .... i've never heard that before
10-16-2004, 10:26 PM
yeah, i'm not sure what the problem was. i reattempted not taking it again last night and there were no problems. so, for now, no more letro unless the bloat comes back.
today's weight: 266lbs
legs and bi's were today. all lifts are up. did a high rep routine on hack squats just to get a different feel of things.
10-17-2004, 03:24 AM
are you still going to run the winny for the last few weeks of the cycle to help keep the gains? i noticed this in another thread and thought you were considering it pretty hard.
10-17-2004, 11:50 AM
i still tihnk proviron would be better at the end as opposed to winny less sides (achy joints, androgenic sides)
10-17-2004, 05:52 PM
yeah, i've got winny on the way. sounds like the way to go.Originally Posted by knox
glen, i'll give proviron a run on the next cycle or so. can't do but so much experimenting on the first cycle.
10-18-2004, 01:06 PM
haha point well taken how much winny do you play on running a day? and i'm assuming you'll run it the very last 4 weeks before pct?
10-18-2004, 01:23 PM
actually, the way i was planning it was starting 50mg of winny the day after my last shot. figured i'd run it for 2 weeks while starting the IGF the same time, and continuing the IGF for another 2 weeks and starting PCT after the winny. that looks pretty confusing actually, but it makes sense in the other thread. i adjusted the first post on this thread to clarify things. the way he other guy explained it was it only takes a few days for the winny to work it's magic, so i'll run it for 2 weeks for the hell of it, then start actual PCT. if i'm not impressed, i'll do it different next time.
10-18-2004, 05:03 PM
10-18-2004, 11:48 PM
Just when I thought the weight gain had stopped, today happened.
Today's weight: 270lbs
I had been waiting for the crazy strength increases from tren and today I experienced it. First off, my back was extremely cramped today and I couldn't even imagine doing deadlifts, so shoulders and back went without them today. Anywho, military press - 245 for 6 (up a few reps from last week)
lat raises - did a cable burnout and my back cramped worse but i pushed through it anyway.
barbell rows - goddamn, got 365 for 5 pretties and 1 ugly (this is when i realized strength had taken a turn)
lat pulldowns - maxed the cables out at 300, got 7 reps
cable rows - maxed out at 300, got 7 reps as well
calves - the usual, shaved, castrated, and destroyed.
feeling pretty good overall, the bloat went away about half way through the workout. the bold may be starting to show it's colors as for the first time ever, i was hungry today. same with tren as explained previously. i'm about 3.5 weeks in so i've still got plenty of time left. starting to wonder how heavy i might get on this. 270 crept up on me.
10-20-2004, 12:48 AM
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