the revised cycle
- 10-12-2004, 12:30 PM
- 10-12-2004, 01:48 PM
that sounds ruthless man, isnt excess bloat caused from estrogen?
would and AI help at all? i used formastane with great results in terms of reducing bloat.
good luck, cycle looks good so far bro
10-12-2004, 02:01 PM
i hope so bro. i took 0.25mg yesterday without much help. trying to use the lowest dose possible in hopes that it won't hinder my gains. i'll keep with that dose and if **** doesn't improve, i'll bump it to 0.5mg ed. for ****s and giggles, i measured my arms this morning and the ****er said 19.75".
10-14-2004, 12:07 AM
Today's weight: 263lbs
I attribute the 2lb loss to starting letro 2 days ago. Apparently it worked though, most of the bloat issues I had went away at a nice low dose.
Anywho, did chest and tris today and everything is up nicely. Incline bench, got 315 for 7 with a slight spot on the last rep. Flat dumbbell up 10lbs, still going wide. I had to switch tri's up a little, took 60 sec breaks between sets to kill them. Tortured the calves once again utilizing drop sets after the regular calf routine. I'll remeasure everything this weekend.
10-15-2004, 12:53 PM
Letro is some serious stuff. I had been taking a low dose of 0.25 for about 3 days now and the bloating issues I had went away. Well, last night, for ****s and giggles, I decided not to take the letro and see what happens. Goddamn, within 3 hours, I could hardly move. I felt like I was about to burst through my own skin. Arms shot up over 1/4" in an hour. Face got puffy, eyes started to water, stomach bloated outwards. I seriously felt like I was going to explode. I hobbled over to the medicine cabinet, took the letro, and went to sleep. 3-4 hours later it all had gone away. While I do like the extra measurements that the no-letro experiment gave me, the bloat would be too great for me to lift properly. Powerful stuff. And at such a low dose, I wouldn't think it would hinder my gains, what do ya'll think?
10-15-2004, 03:58 PM
wow that's incredible that just not taking it one day made you blow up like that .... i've never heard that before
10-16-2004, 10:26 PM
yeah, i'm not sure what the problem was. i reattempted not taking it again last night and there were no problems. so, for now, no more letro unless the bloat comes back.
today's weight: 266lbs
legs and bi's were today. all lifts are up. did a high rep routine on hack squats just to get a different feel of things.
10-17-2004, 03:24 AM
are you still going to run the winny for the last few weeks of the cycle to help keep the gains? i noticed this in another thread and thought you were considering it pretty hard.
10-17-2004, 11:50 AM
i still tihnk proviron would be better at the end as opposed to winny less sides (achy joints, androgenic sides)
10-17-2004, 05:52 PM
yeah, i've got winny on the way. sounds like the way to go.Originally Posted by knox
glen, i'll give proviron a run on the next cycle or so. can't do but so much experimenting on the first cycle.
10-18-2004, 01:06 PM
haha point well taken how much winny do you play on running a day? and i'm assuming you'll run it the very last 4 weeks before pct?
10-18-2004, 01:23 PM
actually, the way i was planning it was starting 50mg of winny the day after my last shot. figured i'd run it for 2 weeks while starting the IGF the same time, and continuing the IGF for another 2 weeks and starting PCT after the winny. that looks pretty confusing actually, but it makes sense in the other thread. i adjusted the first post on this thread to clarify things. the way he other guy explained it was it only takes a few days for the winny to work it's magic, so i'll run it for 2 weeks for the hell of it, then start actual PCT. if i'm not impressed, i'll do it different next time.
10-18-2004, 05:03 PM
10-18-2004, 11:48 PM
Just when I thought the weight gain had stopped, today happened.
Today's weight: 270lbs
I had been waiting for the crazy strength increases from tren and today I experienced it. First off, my back was extremely cramped today and I couldn't even imagine doing deadlifts, so shoulders and back went without them today. Anywho, military press - 245 for 6 (up a few reps from last week)
lat raises - did a cable burnout and my back cramped worse but i pushed through it anyway.
barbell rows - goddamn, got 365 for 5 pretties and 1 ugly (this is when i realized strength had taken a turn)
lat pulldowns - maxed the cables out at 300, got 7 reps
cable rows - maxed out at 300, got 7 reps as well
calves - the usual, shaved, castrated, and destroyed.
feeling pretty good overall, the bloat went away about half way through the workout. the bold may be starting to show it's colors as for the first time ever, i was hungry today. same with tren as explained previously. i'm about 3.5 weeks in so i've still got plenty of time left. starting to wonder how heavy i might get on this. 270 crept up on me.
10-20-2004, 12:48 AM
10-21-2004, 12:16 AM
Today's weight: 267lbs
Lost 3 lbs but I feel excellent compared to 2 days ago. Felt horribly bloated before but it seems to have subsided on it's own. Anywho, chest and tris went today. Incline up 20lbs, got 325 for 7 easily, so I bumped it to 335 and got 6 with a small spot. I'll get that next week no problems, might even add some more depending how it feels. Flat dumbbells up 10lbs and 2 reps. All tri's went up around 10lbs on everything. Calves, once again, were destroyed. Even added another exercise in there, heavy leg press calf raises. Good ****, definatley puts a hurting on em. Anywayz, Saturday marks 4 weeks so I'm gonna keep on keepin' on.
10-23-2004, 09:12 PM
Today's weight: 271 lbs
Didn't feel bloated at all today, so I'm guessing this weight is consistent and will continue to climb. Leg's and bi's went today. To make a long story short, all lifts are up. I'll be hitting 1000lbs on leg press for a set next week and judging from this week, it should be relatively easy. Got 140 on barbell curls for 5 pretties, 1 ugly.
Anywho, today was the 4 week mark and things are still looking up.
10-23-2004, 09:34 PM
10-24-2004, 02:30 AM
the entire cycle would be relatively painless if it weren't for the uncontrollable back pumps i get. i get a lower back workout every time i walk across the room.Originally Posted by Kristopher
10-24-2004, 06:03 PM
Are you getting any bad sides from the tren, such as night sweats and a hard time sleeping? Is there a noticed increase in aggression?
10-25-2004, 12:09 AM
nah, i sleep great. hell, i might be even sleeping better on this stuff. i do sweat more than usual so that could be attributed to tren. as for aggression, i notice a slight change in how fast i get pissed off, but it's all under control. i'd say 99% of the time, i couldn't be happier.
10-26-2004, 12:06 AM
Today's weight: 275lbs
Ok, that's 27lbs so far and my lower back is feeling every bit of it. Shoulders and back went today, excellent I must say. Got 255 on military press for an easy 8. Barbell rows, 385 for 7. Still no chance of attempting deadlifts due to the lower back pumps I'm getting. Walking sucks big hairy donkey balls. Cardio is out of the question. I'm not too sure how to approach this problem that to just deal with it and roll with the punches. I upped the letro to 0.5mg ed but then I gained 4 lbs in 2 days so............... I'm considering bumping the letro to 1mg ed and see if that helps things. Other than the lower back problem, things are great. Anyone else ever have this problem with their cycles?
10-26-2004, 12:14 AM
Right on, bro. Nice weight gain so far! That ****ing sucks about the back probs. Hopefully you will get that **** worked out.
10-27-2004, 02:53 PM
Adjusted my diet to @3500 (give or take 200) cals a day and upped letro to 1mg ed. It's been 2 days on that so far and I'm already feeling alot better. Chest and tri's later today with a weigh in, updates will follow.
10-28-2004, 12:21 AM
Today's weight: 272.5lbs
2.5lb bodyweight loss, but I feel a great deal better than how 275 felt.
Incline bench up 10lbs to 335lbs for 8 reps, easily. Dumbbells up 10lbs to 130's for 7 reps. All tri exercises are up 10lbs and a few reps. Ran out of steam kind of early in the workout but I pushed through it anyway. Might be from the cals taking a dive. If I drop below 270, I'll up the cals once again. The goal was to finish around 275 before starting PCT, and that's still 5 weeks away.
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