Started first cycle today
- 10-06-2004, 03:45 PM
- 10-06-2004, 05:00 PM
Originally Posted by Gethuge
Good gains thus far.
Hitting a vein is odd. I can feel it but can't explain it.
- 10-06-2004, 06:14 PM
10-06-2004, 06:30 PM
Thanks guys. I have to admit that I went into this with the "lets just see" attitude but it has been awesome. After the first couple of weeks you look, feel and actually act different than before. Confidence soars.......I think I'm loving it too much.
10-06-2004, 06:32 PM
Exactly. I knew I hit something more solid than just the muscle but it didn't really hurt so I aspirated and then injected. When you remove the pin you find out what you actually hit when the blood squirts out behind the needle. lolOriginally Posted by size
10-14-2004, 03:05 PM
Things have been going pretty well. Up another 2 pounds bodyweight. It's funny how people look and react differently to me now. I have been getting many compliments about my increased muscularity from ladies where i work.
Eating is my biggest obsticle every day.....i just don't have a huge appetite so I force myself for every gram of protein. Oh well, I'm managing. Saturday is squat day again.....I'll give an update on poundage increase then.
10-16-2004, 05:38 PM
Okay, last nights inject was horrible. Hurt like a bitch and ached for about 2 hours after the shot! It was a delt shot so I suppose I may have hit something. In any event it's fine today so no harm done.
Today was squat day again but did things a little differently. I opened up with 305 x 6 and then did 265 for 23 reps. I got fewer reps obviously because of the heavy work that was done before hand.
My diet has been admittedly crappy lately as I"ve been in meetings most of the last couple of days making it nearly impossible to keep up with the meal schedule. Next week things get back to "normal".
10-31-2004, 06:38 PM
Okay, I decided to up the testosterone to 750mgs per week. I know everyone will recommend against it but I haven't had any negative sides and was curious to see what difference it would make. We'll see.
Now up to 188 pounds bodyweight, that's a 14 pound gain so far....and the cycles not over!!! Now the true test will be post cycle to see how much I can actually hold on to. My PCT will consist of 3g of trib a day, Nolva, and I'm thinking of adding some phosphatidylserine in there to blunt cortisol a little. I couldn't manage to get any HCG so I decided I had better get some trib in the hopes that it will help kick the boys back into function.
11-06-2004, 11:01 PM
190 pounds!! The gains are coming on strong again. Later this week I'll post how my training has changed so people can get an idea of how it was adjusted along the way.
11-07-2004, 03:39 PM
Nice thread. Thanks for keeping us up to date.Originally Posted by Gethuge
Do you plan to step the dosage down the closer you get to coming off cycle or do you plan to come off "cold turkey?"
11-07-2004, 06:32 PM
I'm planning on going off cold turkey. My reasoning is that because i'm using long acting test cyp it is going to take a few weeks for the blood levels to come down.
11-07-2004, 07:41 PM
I am glad to see some feedback using the DC training techniques. You mentioned that this protocol has been effective for you on and off cycle. Given that you are pretty much running a bread and butter AAS cycle, how much have the AAS increased your rate of strength progression? On a weekly basis, I can hit roughly a 10lb PR each week on squats and other heavy lifts consistently on M1T. Some lifts even more. Just wondering how much of an increase you have experienced in comparison compared to normal DC style work.
11-07-2004, 10:30 PM
I'm usually your typical "hardgainer". off cycle i can usually add 5 pounds a week to my core lifts when i'm making decent progress. Given that I'm also a long time lifter (about 9 years total off and on) this is great progress for me. On cycle i've been using 10 pound increments and usually getting extra reps as well. So the rate is a little more than double, on average.
11-07-2004, 10:55 PM
Great progress so far bro. I have the same problem as you when it comes to eating. I think we all have trouble stuffing down 3500 to 4000 cals a day, day in day out, week after long grueling week. If I ever step over to the dark side I'd like to try a similar cycle but with 400 mg EQ cause it's supposed to make ya wanna eat like horse (no pun intended).
11-14-2004, 02:38 AM
i've heard and read the same thing about EQ and I personally think it's the best steroid available as far as risk to benefit is concerned. On the other hand I can honestly say that once the test kicked in appetite was not an issue any more. I'm always hungry, just have to control what i eat and not pig out on everything in sight.
11-17-2004, 03:00 PM
Had a bit of a problem. Rubber from the top of my vial fell into my solution contaminating it. Therefore I missed an inject last week waiting for a new vial to arrive.
I also have had a surge of side-effects. My back has an enormous breakout of small pimples all over. On the other side of the coin i've stopped taking nolva and haven't had any return gyno. It seems that d-bol causes gyno for me but test doesn't seem to aggrivate it....weird.
11-17-2004, 05:42 PM
hah, i hate hitting nerves in my quads. i can see most of them branching off the femoral artery, but everynow and than i'll hit one that's deeper. it kind of feels like your pushing into a different material, very strange but i'm use to it now. the acne can be avoided with a medicated facewash. my favorite is clean and clear medicated. also, hit up the tanning bed 2x week and don't be afraid to get a little red. it always clears up my acne.
11-28-2004, 03:13 PM
11-28-2004, 03:24 PM
11-29-2004, 02:11 PM
11-29-2004, 03:37 PM
Sorry about the long period there guys....been crazy busy here. Training and nutrition have been lax over the past week, work has me going nuts. Anyways dispite that I"m still climbing up the scale.....now 194 pounds but have some obvious fat loss. It seems my laziness on diet lately has caused some fat loss while still gaining some muscle mass.....a good thing for now.
Since the squat has been the hallmark of my training thus far I'll give everyone that update....
345 x 10 followed by 270 x 15.
Need opinions here.....i was going to run a 12 week cycle but some of the things i've read indicate that longer cycles often equate to better retaining of gains post-cycle. Therefore I was thinking of going the full 16 weeks. Thoughts? Maybe I"m losing my head and getting to hung up on the gains of the cycle. Input always appreciated.
12-06-2004, 12:33 PM
Hey G, did you decide to extend your cycle to 16? Give us an update. I'm a bit curious, as I was planning a 12-14 week first timer cycle.
12-06-2004, 04:24 PM
Yes i did. I'm going to go the full 16 weeks which will take me through christmas and I'll stop at new years.
I feel i need to really. Some crap here lately have really gotten in the way of my planning and implementation of training/nutrition. The extra time gives me a bit more of a safety net to get things straightened away before cycles end.
12-06-2004, 04:51 PM
Sounds like a really great beginner cycle.....Since you planned to keep it going, I would make sure you have a really good PCT ready...IE: HCG-Clomid-Nolvadex etc......I also recommend a good anti-catabolic supplement (see in my cycle thread).....Id also take Nolvadex or Adex EOD or so, because the sides are really gonna start there toll, and can get even worse once you come off and your hormones go nuts.....In any case good luck, and make sure your diet and training is on track....juice is just the icing to your cake----Cheers---JT
12-09-2004, 11:06 PM
Done and done. I haven't really had anything in the way of sides thus far. A little acne on my upper back is basically it.Originally Posted by JTrans
01-16-2005, 09:17 AM
Just a final update for those who may have followed the thread.
End of cycle weight = 196 pounds
Current weight = 189 pounds
Cycle went really well. Lost some bodyfat in the process which was a nice bonus, and yet still had a net gain of 15 pounds. Still have some residual acne on my shoulders and upper back. "The boys" have gotten back into full function again with no problems and my training poundages are stable, minimal strength loss post cycle.....awesome!!!!
Thanks go out to everyone who helped along the way and in the prep before hand.
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