Nate Dawgs 1test cyp/4ad cyp/19 nor/dbol/M5aa cycle
09-24-2004 04:10 PM
Did shoulders/traps yesterday, reps were up from last week. I didnt get in as many sets as I wanted to due to shoulder tenderness from the shots. As far as the cycle goes, I would have thought that I would be up more than 10lbs by now, I have been on dbol for 28 days now, and the past 2 weeks have been at 50mg/day. Part of it could be that the 1test and 4ad has just started working due to the long ester, but I figured that the dbol would have me up at least 15lbs by now. For measurements my arms are up 3/8", chest 3", and quads 1.25", I was hoping my arms would be up more than that by now, but I guess I still have 6 weeks left of 1test/4ad and 2 more weeks after that of m5aa, so there is plenty of time left. Just mentally I dont feel like I have grown much at all, probably all in my head. I was thinking about the last couple weeks of the cycle instead of the m5aa, maybe using one of sledges new bulking methyls if the feedback is good on them. A couple weeks ago I was thinking about throwing some tren in the last 4 weeks of the cycle, but I think I am going to wait until my next cycle, just getting greedy I guess Today I have bis/tris. Lately I have been so lethargic, all I feel like doing is sleeping, I think it is a combo of the dbol and the 1test is starting to kick in. If it gets too bad I will probably drop the 1test down to 800mg/week. I have been getting plenty of sleep, anywhere from 7-9 hrs a night, so I know that isnt the problem. I will get back to you all after tonights workout. Do any of you think that I should be up more than 10lbs after 4 weeks of dbol? My diet has been in the 4200-5000 cal range, with protein around 350-375g/day. Earler in the cycle I thought I was leaning out pretty good, but now I am starting to hold alot of water on my stomach so it is hard to tell. Any opinions?
09-24-2004 04:32 PM
i dunno man 3" on your chest in 4 weeks is pretty freaking good, i might suggest upping the protein to the 400+ range that could potentially help otherwise just keep plugging away your training seems fine and you're getting plenty of rest and i don't think there can be a doubt that the gear is good and working its hard to notice yourself putting on weight because you see yourself every day i think you'll be just fine bro
09-24-2004 05:50 PM
Thanks for the support glenihan!!
09-24-2004 08:55 PM
Just got done with arms, went pretty well, strength was up on tris, not really for bis though. My elbows/tendons are absolutely killing me, they hurt terrible during every single rep, and the worst is right after the set when I release the weight, in the past few weeks it just hurt during tricep exercises, but tonight it actually hurt during biceps too. Got a good pump though. I am just going to keep working through the pain. I am scared to think of what it is going to be like when I get off cycle, usually that is when it is worst.
09-28-2004 03:06 PM
Did chest yesterday, the workout went absolutely ****ty. The night before I was having a helluva time getting to sleep, didnt get to sleep till around 530, so I didnt get much sleep. I feel as though I am slightly overtrained, so I think I am going to lower the volume this week and try to get recovered. Finally got my HCG mixed last night and took 250IU, I am going to do 250IU every monday thursday. Tonight I have legs, so hopefully it goes better than yesterday. The past 3 days I cut back on carbs and fat because I felt really bloated, and this morning I could tell that I definely cut some more. My waist is actually down 1/4" since the beginning of the cycle. I am going to up my carbs and fat back up for another 10 days or so till I start feeling too bloated.
09-28-2004 05:32 PM
Good idea adding the HCG.
09-28-2004 07:09 PM
what about adding some letro or a-dex until you get onto the M5aa (which i think should dry you out)?
09-28-2004 07:09 PM
Whats up man, This is Ryan from t-mag from back in the day. Just checking up on your cycle.
I Just ordered some 1test cyp and 4-ad.
I'll be checking back on your log.
09-28-2004 10:27 PM
Manu20- Ya I am really glad to finally get started on the HCG. The boys were getting a little smaller than what I wanted them to be, but thats how it goes i guess.
Glenihan-I am considering buying some letro, but still undecided. I dont NEED it, but I wouldnt mind cutting a little water out, I am not too worried about it though. Actually, I think I forgot to mention this, but I started the M5aa at week 2 to help reduce bloat from the dbol. I could actually tell a difference when I started taking it. I am going to end the M5aa after the dbol is done, and then I am not for sure what oral I am going to run the last 3-4 weeks of the cycle. I would really like to try one of sledges new bulking compounds if his labs are able to get them cranked out in time. That is still ~5 weeks off though, so surely something will be out.
Ryan- Hey whats up man! Congrats on getting the 1test and 4ad, you should enjoy it! Let me know how your cycle goes.
Did legs tonight, went awesome, I felt sooo good tonight. It has been along time since I have felt as good as I did last night...probably when I was on my last cycle. Deadlifts were up 30lbs, and squats were up 20lbs, so there were some pretty good strength increases. I dont know if this had anything to do with starting the HCG last night, but today I was really mellowed out and in alot better mood than usual given the circumstances. I have a ton of school work and studying to do, and usually I get stressed as hell, especially since I started my cycle, but today I just felt really good and wasnt worried about it, like I knew I would get it done no problem. Could be coincidence, but I have read that HCG can mellow you out some. Oh ya, had some nice sex dreams last night, this last week I have been having at least 1 sex related dream a night, sometimes 3-4, it is awesome, especially since I am not getting any right now
09-28-2004 11:01 PM
keep us updated on how the HCG works for you i'm really curious about it like how long it takes to get your boys back to normal size while you're still on cycle
09-28-2004 11:03 PM
Pityin' fools since '81
the joint pain could come from the high dose of 1-test. it has been reported by several that taking around a gram a week kills their joints. oh yeah, good decision on the HCG. it should help alot with mood and sex drive
09-28-2004 11:04 PM
Pityin' fools since '81
oh, and good luck on the rest of your cycle. i'll be watching.....
10-01-2004 12:29 AM
Did shoulders/traps tonight, got a really good pump and strength was up. I didnt do back last night, I was just too wore out from legs the previous day. Squatting and deadlifting in the same day will take a toll on ya. Well I think that I am overtrained, I am always tired, and my motivation to lift is not near as high as it usually is. I have been talking with a powerlifter at my gym and he has recommended that I take a week off, because for the last 14 weeks or so I have been lifting balls to the wall, all heavy weights in the 1-3 rep range for core movements. So I think my CNS is just plain wore out, and the past couple weeks my bench has just felt like complete ****, and some of my other lifts havent been up to par like they should be. So I think I am going to take next week off, maybe just hit biceps twice or something, and that will be it. I really hate to do this in the middle of the cycle, but I feel that this is the best decision to continue getting good gains from the cycle. Now with the hindsight, I wish that I would have took the week before I started the cycle off so I would be good to go, but it is alright. If you guys have any opinions, feel free to let me know.
10-01-2004 12:32 PM
i just finished a week off yesterday and while i'm not on cycle now it was definitely a great move i had been going balls out for 3 months and my body definitely needed it
i think taking time off even during cycle given what you've described is a great idea although since you're on perhaps you don't need a full week maybe 3-4 days would be sufficient
10-07-2004 12:22 AM
how long did it take for your 1t and 4ad cyp to kick in. I was thinking about running mine for 6 weeks, instead of 10? what do you think?
Also i wanted to add a transdermal, either oht, or 19 nor?
10-07-2004 12:48 AM
To tell you the truth ability, I would say run it at the very minimum 8 weeks. Last week was the 5th week and I could just start to tell it was working, and this is the 6th week and I can feel it pretty good now. I was even running dbol the first 5 weeks, the last 4 being at 50mg/day, that **** had to have been underdosed or something, because i sure as hell didnt get dbol like gains that I hear of, I know it was at least something because after only a few days of being on my nuts were starting to shrink. I am taking this week off, just doing biceps, and yesterdays workout i got an awesome pump. So I would definetly have to say run it at least 8 weeks, preferably 10 or even 12. As for the transdermal, i would think the oht would be a good choice, especially if you are worried about bloat. I have never ran 19nor before this, so i dont know what to expect from it, but i cant really claim that it is doing a whole lot, but i also cant say that it isnt doing anything, hard to tell what is doing what. Personally next time if i had to pick between the two I would go with 40ht, i am not a big fan of water retention. Hope that helps man!
10-07-2004 11:24 PM
I think im going to go back to my origanal plan, 10 weeks on the cyps, damn, its gonna be a badass cycle.
10-13-2004 01:01 AM
10-13-2004 04:26 AM
Ya I've been following your cycle...give us updates...
10-13-2004 02:38 PM
Sorry about the lack of updates lately, been busy with stuff.
Well I took last week completely off other than biceps, and that was the best thing I could have done. I feel so much better and more recovered now. On monday, I got 375 on bench, my best before that was 355, about 4 weeks ago or so. Box squats were up and deadlifts were up a little bit. We have been videotaping a few of our lifts to analyze for and what not, but it is really cool to watch when you get home from the gym. My diet has been pretty good lately, especially protein, I counted up 413g I took in yesterday, so I was happy with that. I havent weighed for probably a week, basically just because I can tell I havent gained a single pound and it will just piss me off when I get on the scale, so I would say it is in the 204-205 range, I will try and weigh tomorrow morning.
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