Nate Dawgs 1test cyp/4ad cyp/19 nor/dbol/M5aa cycle

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  1. the joint pain could come from the high dose of 1-test. it has been reported by several that taking around a gram a week kills their joints. oh yeah, good decision on the HCG. it should help alot with mood and sex drive


  2. oh, and good luck on the rest of your cycle. i'll be watching.....
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  3. Did shoulders/traps tonight, got a really good pump and strength was up. I didnt do back last night, I was just too wore out from legs the previous day. Squatting and deadlifting in the same day will take a toll on ya. Well I think that I am overtrained, I am always tired, and my motivation to lift is not near as high as it usually is. I have been talking with a powerlifter at my gym and he has recommended that I take a week off, because for the last 14 weeks or so I have been lifting balls to the wall, all heavy weights in the 1-3 rep range for core movements. So I think my CNS is just plain wore out, and the past couple weeks my bench has just felt like complete ****, and some of my other lifts havent been up to par like they should be. So I think I am going to take next week off, maybe just hit biceps twice or something, and that will be it. I really hate to do this in the middle of the cycle, but I feel that this is the best decision to continue getting good gains from the cycle. Now with the hindsight, I wish that I would have took the week before I started the cycle off so I would be good to go, but it is alright. If you guys have any opinions, feel free to let me know.

  4. i just finished a week off yesterday and while i'm not on cycle now it was definitely a great move i had been going balls out for 3 months and my body definitely needed it

    i think taking time off even during cycle given what you've described is a great idea although since you're on perhaps you don't need a full week maybe 3-4 days would be sufficient

  5. Nate,

    how long did it take for your 1t and 4ad cyp to kick in. I was thinking about running mine for 6 weeks, instead of 10? what do you think?

    Also i wanted to add a transdermal, either oht, or 19 nor?
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  6. To tell you the truth ability, I would say run it at the very minimum 8 weeks. Last week was the 5th week and I could just start to tell it was working, and this is the 6th week and I can feel it pretty good now. I was even running dbol the first 5 weeks, the last 4 being at 50mg/day, that **** had to have been underdosed or something, because i sure as hell didnt get dbol like gains that I hear of, I know it was at least something because after only a few days of being on my nuts were starting to shrink. I am taking this week off, just doing biceps, and yesterdays workout i got an awesome pump. So I would definetly have to say run it at least 8 weeks, preferably 10 or even 12. As for the transdermal, i would think the oht would be a good choice, especially if you are worried about bloat. I have never ran 19nor before this, so i dont know what to expect from it, but i cant really claim that it is doing a whole lot, but i also cant say that it isnt doing anything, hard to tell what is doing what. Personally next time if i had to pick between the two I would go with 40ht, i am not a big fan of water retention. Hope that helps man!

  7. thanx nate.

    I think im going to go back to my origanal plan, 10 weeks on the cyps, damn, its gonna be a badass cycle.

  8. any updates?

  9. Ya I've been following your cycle...give us updates...

  10. Sorry about the lack of updates lately, been busy with stuff.

    Well I took last week completely off other than biceps, and that was the best thing I could have done. I feel so much better and more recovered now. On monday, I got 375 on bench, my best before that was 355, about 4 weeks ago or so. Box squats were up and deadlifts were up a little bit. We have been videotaping a few of our lifts to analyze for and what not, but it is really cool to watch when you get home from the gym. My diet has been pretty good lately, especially protein, I counted up 413g I took in yesterday, so I was happy with that. I havent weighed for probably a week, basically just because I can tell I havent gained a single pound and it will just piss me off when I get on the scale, so I would say it is in the 204-205 range, I will try and weigh tomorrow morning.

  11. sissy

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
    Sorry about the lack of updates lately, been busy with stuff.

    Well I took last week completely off other than biceps, and that was the best thing I could have done. I feel so much better and more recovered now. On monday, I got 375 on bench, my best before that was 355, about 4 weeks ago or so. Box squats were up and deadlifts were up a little bit. We have been videotaping a few of our lifts to analyze for and what not, but it is really cool to watch when you get home from the gym. My diet has been pretty good lately, especially protein, I counted up 413g I took in yesterday, so I was happy with that. I havent weighed for probably a week, basically just because I can tell I havent gained a single pound and it will just piss me off when I get on the scale, so I would say it is in the 204-205 range, I will try and weigh tomorrow morning.
    Anymore soreness from the 1-test cyp?

  13. Manu20- No I havent had any soreness at all, I only gave it the hot water bath at the beginning of the cycle and then after 3 weeks or so, havent done another one since. I cant even tell the next day I have given myself a shot, and I am taking quite a few pokes, maybe my body is adjusting to it or something. On mondays I shoot 2.5cc in right quad, 2.5cc right glute, and .5cc of HCG in right quad also, then on thursdays I shoot 2.5cc in left glute, 1.25cc in left delt, 1.25cc in right delt, and .5cc of HCG in left quad....so a decent number of stabs per week and absolutely no soreness. All the 1test/4ad shots are mixed in a 50/50 ratio by volume, and the HCG is 500IU/ml, so I take 250IU 2x week. It is actually working quite well, my nuts have came back completely.

    Knox- Eat a dick

  14. Damn it, I forgot to log out of my brother's name when I posted....sorry 'bout the confusion.

  15. Weighed in at 205lbs this morning. I was actually surprised, I figured I would be somewhere around 202-203. My waist is still about a 1/4-3/8" smaller than the beginning of the cycle so that is a good sign.

  16. Did chest yesterday, went pretty good, got 380x1 on flat bench with just a very tiny tap in the bottom from my spotter, I know I could get it but for some reason I lost a little focus during the lift and that hurt me a bit. Legs were today, Box squats werent really up at all, deadlifts were up around 15lbs. Well, I am gonna add a new twist to this cycle..lol....today I ordered some test prop and tren acetate. I am going to run the prop at 100mg EOD and the tren at 75mg EOD. It should be here around next friday or so, and I will start it as soon as I get it. I am going to run it for 4 weeks I am thinking, so that will put the end of the cycle out to about week 13. I have been on HCG for 3 weeks now I believe, and I have plenty more, so I am not too worried about recovering...it may be a little rough, but we shall see. I know this is probably not the wisest decision, but hell, I havent hardly gained any size at all on this cycle!!!!! My strength has gone up really good, but no size, I dont know what the deal is. Every day I get a minimum of 300g protein, usually it is in the 400g range, and the carbs are in the 500g range/day, taking in between 4500-5500 cals/day. Give me some opinions if you wish, but I'm not gonna change my mind on it

  17. Well I caught a cold this weekend, so I havent been feeling the greatest, but by tomorrow should be back to 100%. Chest on monday didnt go that great, but I really wasnt expecting much considering the circumstances. Did legs today, and box squats were actually down, but my 5RM for deadlifts was up 10lbs. Just wasnt as focused at the beginning of the workout when I was squatting. I recieved my MDHT from sledge on Monday, and today I noticed a little increased energy, but still a little early to tell. Took 50mg 20min preworkout, but next time I think I will take it about an hour preworkout, because as the workout went on, I could feel it more. Took my blood pressure and it was 130/70, so that was much better than what I had expected it to be. Still eating really good, but I havent weighed lately so I dont know exactly where I am at there. Thursday will be my last shot of the 1test and 4ad, I preloaded my syringes tonight just to see how much I had left and emptied both bottles. The test and tren should be here between Friday and Monday, so I will be starting that as soon as I get it. Switching up to a 4 day split and see how that works instead of 5 days a week, it was just getting to be too much and by the end of the week I was feeling pretty burnt out and felt slightly overtrained, so I am going to give the 4 day split a try and see if that helps. Well thats about all I got for now, feel free to ask any questions or give opinions.

  18. Weighed in at 205 this morning. By noon today I had already taken in 3550 cals, 220g protein and 350g of carbs, definetly on the right track for today, although alot of those cals are from fat.

  19. Did shoulders and tris tonight, switching things up a bit. For shoulders did some seated DB press and side laterals, tomorrow with back I am going to hit rear laterals since my rear delts get more of a hit from back day than they actually do on shoulders. For triceps did some heavy closegrip floor presses in the power rack in the 2-5 rep range, first time I have ever tried them so it was a little akward, but got some marks to shoot for next week. Then did a few sets of DB overhead press, a couple of machine pushdowns and a couple with reverse grip pushdowns. I normally do triceps with biceps on friday, but I am trying to get more of a powerlifting routine set up, so I figured why hit tris on friday and only have two days to recover when I can do them on thursday and have 3 days to recover. It was kinda hard doing both tris and shoulders together, the military presses kinda taxed the tris a bit before I got to them, so I might change it next week...just have to think about it some more. Tomorrow will do back/bis/traps. I usually do traps with shoulders, but my back is still so fried from deads on tuesday that I dont think I would be able to work up as heavy as I wanted to.

    I am getting pretty flustered on this whole not gaining weight deal. It is frickin ridiculous. So far this week I have ate every day a MINIMUM of 5800 cals, that was my low day....yesterday I hit 7200 cals!!! In that was 435g protein and 580g carbs, now still about 50% of my cal intake is from fats, but hell, I should at least be getting some fat on me, but I am still not gaining a single pound. If this test/tren dont put some weight on me, I dont know what to think. If you have ANY suggestions, let 'em fly, because I am stumped, I have been talking to several of the experienced lifters in my gym and they think it is weird that I am not gaining too. Surely genetics wouldnt be coming in to play yet I wouldnt think....when I graduated high school 2 years ago I was weighed in the 148-152 range, so I have packed on over 50lbs of weight since then. Also I am sure that I am not overtrained because just 3 weeks ago I took a whole week off, so I am confused. Any ideas?!?!?

  20. hmm man i'm really not sure what to say everything is in order...
    hopefully the tren/test will work although i know for some tren doesn't really provide for all that much weight gain as it can melt off fat
    i know you're weight hasn't really gone anywhere but have you taken your measurements lately? have those improved?

  21. Sadly enough....no they havent improved either. I am ****ing stumped on this one. I had better gains on my 7 week S1+ cycle last winter, and my diet is even better on this cycle than it was on that one. One thing that seems kinda weird to me is, during this whole cycle I have never really felt that "on" feeling, there have just been a handful of days in the gym where I could tell I was really getting an extra kick, so I dont know.........

  22. Saturday shot 75mg tren and 100mg prop in my right glute, it knotted up a little but definetly not as much pain as I had with the 1test in the beginning of this cycle, have another shot today. Weighed in this morning naked after taking a long piss, 200lbs....i dont get why I cant gain any weight, I have been eating like a horse lately, I should start gaining now though. Diet going pretty good today, for breakfast had 6 eggs, protein shake, 1.5cups oatmeal, 24oz orange juice, and 24oz milk, for lunch had 1lb beef, 1 box of mac and cheese, and 32oz milk, should be over 3000 cals already and 210g protein. Let the fun begin!!!

  23. [QUOTE=.i dont get why I cant gain any weight, I have been eating like a horse lately, I should start gaining now though. Diet going pretty good today, for breakfast had 6 eggs, protein shake, 1.5cups oatmeal, 24oz orange juice, and 24oz milk, for lunch had 1lb beef, 1 box of mac and cheese, and 32oz milk, should be over 3000 cals already and 210g protein. Let the fun begin!!![/QUOTE]
    eat more and/or rest more, you said something before about eating a pizza every couple days, try adding one every day, i gained so much weight doing that, yes it was some fat, but if you are a hard gainer, it shouldnt be too hard to burn that fat off post cycle, last cycle i did, my weight went from about 190 up to 215 in six weeks, it dropped to 205 durring PCT, a month after PCT it was back up to 210 but a lot leaner than the 215...i cleaned up my diet post cycle, not too clean though, im one of the lucky people that no matter how bad i eat i dont go much over 12% BF, even on the pizza and beer diet. eat to grow, dont worry about putting on a little excess BF in pursuit of muscle mass, the fat will come off easier than the muscle adds on

  24. Thanks for the tip weeenisss, sounds like a good enough excuse to eat pizza everyday

  25. nate, have you checked your PM box?
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