JudoJosh -insert cool title here- (Havoc pulse log)

[JudoJosh]

Here it goes. I am finally down to about 187lbs now and am looking to continue with the cut and hopefully maintain whatever strength I have now and possibly even gain some. I have never tried epi before I did a Hdrol cycle more than a year ago so I am good to go. My overal goal is as always recomp/cut.

Diet
I will be doing a somewhat modified version of the Paleo Diet. Basically no grains or beans and very limited dairy (cheese/milk). I will eat tubers (sweet potatoes and red potatoes) every now and than to replenish glycogen. Going to cycle between carb and no carb days. Basically on days I work out I will have a potatoe and some fruit and on off days just protein and fat.

Workout
Jim Wendler 5/3/1. I am only lifting 3 days a week and it is a 4 day a week program so there will be some overlapping of the weeks. I am also going to be doing some boxing and judo once or twice a week depending on how dry my joints get.

Supplements
I will be using the pulse method as suggested by Dr. D here How to "pulse" orals

Epi Pulse
Wk 1 Sunday-20/ Tuesday-30/ Thursday-40
Wk 2-7 Sunday-50/ Tuesday-50/ Thursday-50

Half the total dose taken pre work out, and the other half taken post work out. When an odd numbered dose is used, the greater of the 2 doses will be taken pre work out.

Other Supplements
Cycle Support -- ** SEE BOTTOM QUESTION**
DHEA - 25-50 mg in the AM and PM as a cortisol antagonist
6-Bromo - AI based test-booster used nightly as extra insurance to discourage the possibility of suppression.
Taurine - In case of pumps
Super Cissus Rx & Fish oil - For joint health
CLA - Help with fat loss and cuz I got a killer deal on them and have some extra bottles
Multi - General Health

PCT
Recycle - PCT
Supress-C - Cortisol Control
Sustain Alpha - Test Booster

*Have clomid on hand for in case but think since it is Havoc and a Pulse I should be fine (I might just use it anyway since I have it and I probably wont cycle again for some time)


Now about the cycle support. In Dr D's post he stated

It's also good to remember that the smaller number of dose exposures likely means faster liver clearance of your supplement. Liver ancillaries (like healthy oils and anti-oxidants) are not contraindicated, but Milk Thistle in high doses could act counter productive to gains. Therefore, if you elect to use liver protectants, reserving them for off days only might be good middle ground

but than I have also read

Due to the fact that Epistane is methylated and requires conversion once ingested, it does indeed put a lot of strain on the liver. So taking Milk Thistle is not advisable, it is absolutely insisted upon.

So I am a little torn here. Should I go with CS for only off days and just take some hawthorn berry, NAC, Nettle Root, and Saw Palmetto on my "ON" days?

As always any helpful suggestions or constructive criticism is always welcome and encouraged. If I missed anything let me know. I am currently on my deload week so I will not be starting this right away

[SilentBob187]

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[JudoJosh]

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LMAO ... I was just in the process of reppin you a link.. damn lurker!!!

How does it all look bud? Did I miss anything?

[JudgementDay]

Damn thats gonna be intense! You gonna do any before and after pics? you should make some nice changes with this stack. Subbed!

Good luck!

[JudoJosh]

Damn thats gonna be intense! You gonna do any before and after pics? you should make some nice changes with this stack. Subbed!

Good luck!

Damn another one beat me to the invite lol.. Yea I will do some weekly progression pictures. I like to post them all up connected so I can see whatever changes took place. Going to post my BF%, weight, height, and current maxes as well so I can get a better guage of how I am progressing.

Did I miss anything in the first post?? I am just tryna double check what I have laid out before I jump into it.

[Tomahawk88]

Well u invited me before I got here lol. Will look over this later when I have fresher eyes.

[JudoJosh]

Well u invited me before I got here lol. Will look over this later when I have fresher eyes.

It should look a little familar with some minor changes. I got the epi pulse idea from one of your logs a while back and have been meaning to try it.

[SilentBob187]

LMAO ... I was just in the process of reppin you a link.. damn lurker!!!

How does it all look bud? Did I miss anything?

I'd listen to Dr. D if it were me running this. I suppose if your eyes/skin don't turn yellow from only taking Milk Thistle on your off days you'll probably be alright.

It's been a long time since I've read up on pulsing. Maybe be a little heavier on the support supps than I'd go but again, I'm no expert and you've probably done a lot more reading on the subject than I have.


A little auditory motivation:

[HereToStudy]

Should be a fun ride Josh..

Im not well read on pulsing methods, so I cant really comment on it, but I am happy to follow along.

[islandmagic]

I am on the train.. .JJ.. pulsing methods ( am going to do some reading to edumcate me!!!!)

[Aaelael]

AHhhh Shiiiii!!! hahha you know its not a party unless BIGA is here. . hahah CHUGA CHUGA CHUGA CHOOOO CHOOOOO!!!!

[RBKing]

This pulse looks spot on! The Milk Thistle issue is a personal thing but when in doubt I'd go with Dr D. I think if you're under 1g of milk thistle on on days you're probably OK (I usually run it straight through)

[UnrealMachine]

take some milk thistle on the off days, it'll give you peace of mind. But at 50mg 3x a week that's only 15 caps a week which is barely more than 20mg ed so not that much of a strain on the liver.

cycle looks good

[MrKleen73]

I agree with everyone else here on the milk thistle if pulsing take it on your days off. The milk thistle being taken around the time of the methyls can break down the compound lessening the effects from what I have read. Of coure I am pretty sure that came from Dr D as well as some of the other info. Also you could probably go a little higher on the dose with a pulse from what I remember reading in that thread. Many people are running Epistrong daily at 60mg... I would think on a pulse maybe up to 70mg could be done without too much ado.

Yes I would take celery seed extract, Grape Seed Extract, hawthorn berry and Nettle Root / Pygeum for prostate, maybe some extra fish oils on your dosing days.

I am watching this closely as I too am thinking of a pulse situation with Epi.

[MrZ]

Sounds like a good plan you got there! Done a few epi-pulses and always been satisfied without going higher than 50 mg's. Done straight cycles as well and I cant say that the results differ much from the pulse(for me).

A good addition to the pulse could be DAA to further fight supression(not that i felt so much of it with epi). M-drol pulse really turned my nuts into raisins

Best of luck!!

Regards Z

[MrKleen73]

Sounds like a good plan you got there! Done a few epi-pulses and always been satisfied without going higher than 50 mg's. Done straight cycles as well and I cant say that the results differ much from the pulse(for me).

A good addition to the pulse could be DAA to further fight supression(not that i felt so much of it with epi). M-drol pulse really turned my nuts into raisins

Best of luck!!

Regards Z

Excellent so the higher doses are not needed on the pulse it is just something many do as a liberty to do so type of thing I guess. Even better. I think I may pulse my next oral cycle. Has anyone ran a Non-Methyl with limited shutdown straight through, and just pulsed the methyl on workout days with any success? Just curious...

[Tomahawk88]

Excellent so the higher doses are not needed on the pulse it is just something many do as a liberty to do so type of thing I guess. Even better. I think I may pulse my next oral cycle. Has anyone ran a Non-Methyl with limited shutdown straight through, and just pulsed the methyl on workout days with any success? Just curious...

This is one of my ideas for my next cycle, but there r so many to sift through.

[JudoJosh]

I'd listen to Dr. D if it were me running this. I suppose if your eyes/skin don't turn yellow from only taking Milk Thistle on your off days you'll probably be alright.

It's been a long time since I've read up on pulsing. Maybe be a little heavier on the support supps than I'd go but again, I'm no expert and you've probably done a lot more reading on the subject than I have.

This pulse looks spot on! The Milk Thistle issue is a personal thing but when in doubt I'd go with Dr D. I think if you're under 1g of milk thistle on on days you're probably OK (I usually run it straight through)

take some milk thistle on the off days, it'll give you peace of mind. But at 50mg 3x a week that's only 15 caps a week which is barely more than 20mg ed so not that much of a strain on the liver.

cycle looks good

I agree with everyone else here on the milk thistle if pulsing take it on your days off. The milk thistle being taken around the time of the methyls can break down the compound lessening the effects from what I have read. Of coure I am pretty sure that came from Dr D as well as some of the other info. Also you could probably go a little higher on the dose with a pulse from what I remember reading in that thread. Many people are running Epistrong daily at 60mg... I would think on a pulse maybe up to 70mg could be done without too much ado.

Yes I would take celery seed extract, Grape Seed Extract, hawthorn berry and Nettle Root / Pygeum for prostate, maybe some extra fish oils on your dosing days.

I am watching this closely as I too am thinking of a pulse situation with Epi.

Thanks for your input guys.. nice to know I didn't miss anything. Was very reassuring as I have very little experience with cycles so want to make sure I am doing it right. Since everyone is prettymuch agree'ing with Dr. D and I was leaning towards his suggestion to begin with, I think I am going to go with what he says.

So cycle support on "OFF" days and for "ON" days no cycle support but will supplement with some celery seed extract, Grape Seed Extract, hawthorn berry and Nettle Root. Will see what the health food store has this week. Like I said before I am deloading from 531 now and will start preloading with support supps soon. Thanks again for all the input guys!!

[JudoJosh]

Should be a fun ride Josh..

Im not well read on pulsing methods, so I cant really comment on it, but I am happy to follow along.

I am on the train.. .JJ.. pulsing methods ( am going to do some reading to edumcate me!!!!)

AHhhh Shiiiii!!! hahha you know its not a party unless BIGA is here. . hahah CHUGA CHUGA CHUGA CHOOOO CHOOOOO!!!!

Thanks for joing along guys!!! Let the party BEGIN!!!!!

[JudoJosh]

Sounds like a good plan you got there! Done a few epi-pulses and always been satisfied without going higher than 50 mg's. Done straight cycles as well and I cant say that the results differ much from the pulse(for me).

A good addition to the pulse could be DAA to further fight supression(not that i felt so much of it with epi). M-drol pulse really turned my nuts into raisins

Best of luck!!

Regards Z

I do have some bulk DAA on hand. Do you think the 6-bromo won't be enough to help against suppression? I think the 6-bromo should take care of me good enough but I will keep the DAA in mind incase I start seeing some suppression signs