Havoc/Furaz/Albuterol/T3 (Need Advice)
- 05-31-2010, 10:45 PM
Cycle Help Needed!!!
Wassup guys. I am currently planning on running an 8 week cutting cycle consisting of Havoc/Furaz-a/Albuterol/T3/DCP. But make no mistake my goals arent to drop a grip load of weight, but to rather lets say "exchange" about 10lbs of fat for a solid 15lbs of muscle. I am not over weight or chubby looking, just wanna get ripped fast!
My experience w/ proH cycles are pretty solid, and i have ran a number of clen/t3 cycles in the past in various ways. My last was a 10week Clen/T3 cycle that ended on 4/9 of this year, it was a nice cycle and my results plunged from 223lbs down to 193lbs current. I couldve lost more but toward the end i consumed more a lil more fats then i shouldve and went on a mini vacation.
Bench-225lbs (Dont really do max's on anything else)
Bench-300lbs or more
Squat-450lbs or more
Curl-180lbs or more
I think my stats/goals give a good idea of where i wanna b. I tend to move up fast w/ weights. Im just weak right now because i just came off months of an everyday 1000calorie deficet, and focused mainly on cardio. In my prime i was 6'0 weighd about 185lbs was at 9%bf, ran a 4.65 40yd, and lifted a lil more then what my goals are set at right now. So i know i can do it.
Tues- Lower + am cardio
Fri- Lower + am cardio
Sat- Alternative cardio (swimming)
(wish i could add more detail but each day varies)
Anabolic diet (what i eat will vary by the day, and might add on an extra carb day?)
(I do not plan to start this cycle till another couple of months)
Heres what my ideal cycle looks like so far:
WK 1-8- Albuterol 4mgED increased by 4mg E3D until tolerence lvl is reached
T3 25mcg Day1-3 / 50mcg Day4-35 / 37.5mcg Day35-42 / 25mcg Day42-49 / 12.5mcg Day49-56.
DCP 6 tabs ED, 2tabs during am WO or before bed, 2tabs 30min before lunch, 2tabs 30min before dinner.
WK 3-8- Furaz-a200/200/250/250/300/300
WK 5-8- Havoc20/30/30/40 (still uncertain as to wether or not i should start it at weeks 3-6)
WK 8-11- PCT(Clomid, Nolva, Armidex[as AI if needed]) Need help. I preffer these supps as pct rather then otc because i already have access to these.
I kinda have an idea for this pct but dont wanna over do it. Itd go a lil sumtin like this-
Arimidex: .5 EOD throughout cycle?
- Mens Multi ACtive
- Omega-3 Fish oil
- Taurine 4-5mg ED
- Liv52 2tabs ED (2wks before cycle, and during PCT phase)
- L-carnatine 1500mg ED
- Ketotifen 2mg ED (3rd & 6th week)
- 7-Keto (still a maybe, used as cortisol blocker)
Could use some help with Pct dosages and wheather or not i should go with OTC pct instead?
Dont know wheater or not i should use a cortisol Blocker being that its never been proven that cortisol in the average person is really an issue (or if cortisol blockers even work?
And not really sure if an AI is neccassary?
Also i understand i will have alot of Free Test roaming around during this cycle. Is there anything strongly suggested that i add, that would benefit from that free test by putting it to use? Or is this cycle alone enough?
---Please feel free to give dosage suggestions, and any extra supps and advice/questions possible.---
- 06-01-2010, 04:34 PM
- 06-03-2010, 10:53 AM
06-03-2010, 12:26 PM
I wouldn't run the furaz at less than 300mg per day. And I would run the epi at no less than 40mg. Start the epi at week 3.
06-03-2010, 01:03 PM
06-03-2010, 01:13 PM
But also i am curious as to why you suggest starting the havoc at week 3 instaed?
-From what i know the reason for that is because the furaz will continue out, therefore helping me keep up my strenght from the havoc. But on the other hand wouldnt the pct do the same? And wouldnt i need a proper Pct for the havoc rather than furaz as a pct, like an estro blocker?
06-03-2010, 01:23 PM
06-03-2010, 01:51 PM
06-03-2010, 02:44 PM
06-03-2010, 03:38 PM
06-03-2010, 06:36 PM
06-03-2010, 07:27 PM
06-03-2010, 07:40 PM
I would not run the Armidex since u have both nolva and clomid but i would keep it on hand just in case because everyone responds differently... my personal experience Epi responds much like an AI except with mild AS gains. Have fun man... i can't wait to do my Epi cut cycle at the end of July First cut on cycle!!!
06-03-2010, 08:36 PM
06-04-2010, 06:56 AM
Most guys here would probably suggest you consider at least 1,000mg Taurine post-w/o.
06-04-2010, 09:47 AM
06-04-2010, 01:14 PM
06-04-2010, 01:17 PM
06-04-2010, 01:43 PM
06-04-2010, 01:56 PM
Ok cool. I only have a few more Q.s:
1. How should i dose the 7-keto as a cortisol blocker? I usually dose it around 200mg ED for 2 weeks after a t3 cycle, is that enough of a dose for cortisol blockage as well? on another note if you guys will take a look at this quote i found..
"Cortisol can catabolize muscle and testicular tissue leading to smaller muscles and lower testosterone levels. Thatís why itís desirable to suppress, or at least control cortisol levels. The most important time to guard you body against the effects of cortisol is during PCT or during intense training when Testosterone levels are low, and cortisol can easily dominate and wreck havoc on the body. (Testosterone is a primary antagonist of cortisol)
Many cortisol blocking supplements on the market include one of the many DHEA metabolites such as 7-keto DHEA (7-oxo DHEA), 7-beta DHEA or androstenetriol. Short term studies have shown that these pro-hormone based cortisol blockers can lower LH & FSH thus inhibiting natural testosterone production. (1,2) While these may be useful supplements during a cycle, they should be avoided for PCT."
What do you guys think about this?
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