super one + and m1,4diol cycle log 5/10/04
05-27-2004 05:08 AM
I wouldn't switch to lipoderm-y if I were you, as the product is generally only going to be effective while in a caloric defecit. It won't likely do much to stave off fat gain while hypercaloric. You'd be better off continuing with the absolved, or make yourself a systematic 7-keto dhea transdermal for it's partitioning qualities.
05-27-2004 07:18 AM
the only real reason i am switching to lipoderm is cause my girl had an extra bottle and i am out of absolved already. however, ive read some posts from some people that it does the trick. i was just hoping to hit all angles when combatting different types of fat. even though i am not in a caloric deficit, as long as lipoderm will do ANYTHING , i will be happy. stomach always looks pretty good, just looking to keep a lil androgen bloat off, ya know. u dont think it will do anything at all?
05-27-2004 03:47 PM
If anything the lipoderm may increase water retention around the stomach area, as that is one of the known effects in many individuals. It can often take a week or so to be able to see the effects of the product due as you have to wait for the water retention to subside. I just think you'd basically be wasting the stuff using it in this scenario. Any fat that is released into the bloodstream while in a calorie surplus will just be redeposited elsewhere in your body, most likely the places where you tend to store it the easiest.
05-27-2004 04:05 PM
so basically your saying lipoderm y really has no place for those who are in the actual process of using a hormonal cycle? i should wait till after?
05-27-2004 04:29 PM
Not quite what I'm saying, but close. I assume that this is a bulking cycle since you stated that you are hungry as a mofo and eating to match, but lipoderm y is really only going to be of use while cutting. So if you were on a cutting cycle using androgens it'd be a good addition, but in your case I'd say most likely not. Save it for when you're cutting to get the proper effects from the lipoderm.
05-28-2004 01:08 PM
alright maybe i will save the lipo -y for after cycle then. as for an update - weight is steady still up 7 pounds, however i cannot stress this enough.....my strength is going through the roof. i mean, wow! its insane what i have been putting up. evrerytime i think i have maxxed out i tell my self "u can do more" and ewhat happens? i do alot more! so it gets me wondering....what is bringing on the immense strength? well, i have used super one in the past but that takes up to 3 or 4 full weeks to really show signs like this, so i venture to say that the m1,4 is aiding alot in my strength. i love getting to this point in cycle. you know, when you actually LOVE getting to the gym because you can't wait to see what you can do next. the strength gains have been so immense and so quick that i can't wait to go to the gym everyday. also, recovery is much quicker. i rarely get sore, and if i do it goes away within a day. before cycle i would be sore for 2 days or so. also seeing definite physical changes as well. look bigger, people are begining to notice. will post back with more info as i progress
05-29-2004 03:30 AM
excellent glad things are working out for you! =P keep us posted!
05-31-2004 03:11 AM
good deal man - i knew m1,4add and 1test would be nasty
What dose are you running of m1,4
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05-31-2004 01:27 PM
well, all last week i was at 60 mg's starting today movin it up to 80 mg's doses split in half, 40 in morning and 40 2 hours pre workout skyrocketing strength bro. people are noticing me getting thicker too. oh heres another update..... my girlfriend says I smell!!! lol dmso skunk , baby! i don't smell nothing but i guess i am used to it, but my girl defnitely says my breath stinks and so does my b.o. a lil. lol. i thinks it funny, but damn , i don't wanna be the smelly kid. we all remember him from grade school.
06-01-2004 06:09 PM
Great progress bro,
and good luck with the rest of your cycle.
06-01-2004 10:14 PM
thanks man. well, up another pound. thats a total of 8 so far. seems like in the begining of cycle the weight came on astonishingly quick - water weight. however during the past week week and a half the scale has slowed. this is not a negative thing however. because it makes me think that now whatever i gain may be much more lean - true muscle gains, that will be easier to keep post cycle, cross my fingers i'm right. what has come this week has come in the form of strength. for example tonights workout was tris and bis. i broke every single personal record tonight without problem. racked the machine on tri pull downs like it was nothing. NOTHING. i dont wanna sound . like i am bragging but for me this is an astonishment. i just want to get it in ur heads that STRENGTH has come quick and been growing just as quick . the strength is so immense in the gym. CANNOT STRESS IT ENOUGH - - - - STRENGTH STRENGTH STRENGHT and we all know how the scenario goes. first comes strength, then size. hence i am very confident that size will follow immensley as well. already people are asking me what i am taking. some guy at the gym tonight asked me what i was on. i told him i only take legal stuff. he laughed and winked at me and said "yea right" i am also not seeing any bloat either, which is good. but it is early so we will see. for those who dont know i have bumped the m1,4 to 80 mg's
06-01-2004 10:36 PM
awesome thread... I cant wait for mine
keep up the good work jim
06-04-2004 03:18 AM
scale says i am up another pound. thats 9 pounds so far. Insane chest workout. keep going up with every workout. Thanks fellas for all the comments. Will post back as things progress. o, also am starting 1.5 mls of liquid nolva for about 5 days just to ease mt parranoia of slight puffier , soft nipples. i'm thinking its nothing, but just to be safe.
06-05-2004 06:21 PM
weight steady. strength increasing like mentioned in previous threads. major body composition change. my mom just came up to me and said my arms are blowing up. lol and then says "you better not be taking steroids!" lol to me thats a compliment that she said that. ok as for sides - little bit off hairloss. notice it in the shower. libido is ok. achy joints sometimes. just picked up some joint care for that. lil heightened aggression but nothing major. small amount of pimples the first 2 weeks but it has seemed to subside for the most part. will keep posted.
06-07-2004 12:02 PM
RealSoundJim,how many mg of 1-test are you taking ed.I dont know the dosage info on S1+.I started 300 mg 1-test transdermal and 100mg m14ad today,but I,m debating on raising the 1-test
06-07-2004 02:48 PM
I would question starting off at such a high dose of M14ad. But to answer your question s1+ has
1-Testosterone 100 mg*
4-Androstenediol 150 mg*
Per 5 squirts (1 serving)
06-07-2004 03:58 PM
dougman answered it. o, and i also agree with him to start out a lil lower with the m1,4 maybe cut your thought in half or so and then up it the 2nd week. just to see how ur body responds and make sure dosage is proper. first cycle? or have you done others?
06-07-2004 04:45 PM
This is my third cycle,I am 6ft 230.I can understand the reasoning for starting at a low dose,but it"s only gonna be a 30 day cycle and I dont want to waste 2 weeks of it with what would probably be too low of a dose.Feom most of the threads I've read people do not start responding well to m14ad untill they get around 100 mg.
Originally Posted by realsoundjim
06-07-2004 06:13 PM
o damn, you a big boy. no wonder wanting to start with high doses. so then how bout starting with 50 the first 3 days, 80 the next 3, and then by day 8 or 9 80/90 mg's then 100. i know for me, that's what i would do if i were your size. i just get cautious about begining with the highest /near high dosages because these compounds are soooo new. who knows if you have an allergic reaction or some bad stuff happen. if it isn't good for your body i would rather find it out on 50/60 mg's than 100mg's ya know. i mean it would only be the 1st 3 or 4 days then after that youd be bumpin it up. im just real cautious. i know for me, that when i hit 60mg's my strength skyrocketed. im currently up to 80 this week.
06-07-2004 07:52 PM
Nah,I'm gonna stick with 100 mg.I'm taking r-ala,milkthissle,and nac for the liver,and hawthorne berry to help ou with blood pressure problems.
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