psywzrd's m4ohn cycle

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  1. psywzrd's m4ohn cycle


    Just started my first m4ohn cycle today (using Sledge's liquid). I'm going to run it for 4-6 weeks at 6mg/day ED. I was going to run it with a transdermal consisting of 1-test and 4oht but I decided to do the m4ohn by itself instead (I'm more than a little scared of the potential for hair loss from 1-test). Anyway, I weighed in this morning at around 155-156 (5'9" tall). Training will be HIT with cardio probably twice a week (I don't want to overdo it because I don't really have any muscle to spare).

    PCT will be Nolva 40mg/day for week one, 20mg/day week two and probably 10mg/day for week three. Suggestions and/or questions are welcome.


  2. What is your goal with this cycle? I heard the m4ohn was good for leaning out/dropping bodyfat. I'll follow your log because I'll prolly be trying it soon @ 8mg a day. Also heard from Sledge that running an 8wk cycle of it would be ok.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by SCORPIO
    What is your goal with this cycle? I heard the m4ohn was good for leaning out/dropping bodyfat. I'll follow your log because I'll prolly be trying it soon @ 8mg a day. Also heard from Sledge that running an 8wk cycle of it would be ok.
    My goal is to basically gain some LBM and hopefully lose a tiny bit of BF since I'm pretty lean already. I tend to hold a tiny bit of BF around my midsection so I'm looking to get that elusive 6-pack to show up before the summer. Depending on how my cycle is going, I may decide to extend it and/or add a transdermal. I have 5 grams of 1-test and 2.5 grams of 4oht but like I said, I'm a little leery of the 1-test because of the hair loss potential. I may just use the 4oht but I need to do a little research to see if it's even worth it to do that with the m4ohn.

  4. I am going to start an M4OHN cycle later this week. I'll probably stack with a 1-test/OHT transdermal, but I am still toying with the idea. I think it'll be a great stack, not sure on M4OHN dosages yet.

  5. Longdog,

    What are you looking at in terms of the dosages for the transdermal? Have you done any transdermals before?
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  6. I've done several transdermal cycles.

    I will max out a bottle of t-gel with probably 7g 1-test & 3g OHT. 2-3 squirts a day should be all I need. I am leaning towards 2, & running 8-10mg of the M4OHN.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Longdog
    I've done several transdermal cycles.

    I will max out a bottle of t-gel with probably 7g 1-test & 3g OHT. 2-3 squirts a day should be all I need. I am leaning towards 2, & running 8-10mg of the M4OHN.
    Have you ever done a transdermal of just 2.5g of 4oht? I'm considering adding that to my m4ohn but I don't know if it will be effective.

  8. P,
    Thanks for running an M4 only cycle. We all need a little more feedback before we start stacking it.

    Good Luck....

  9. Quote Originally Posted by psywzrd
    Have you ever done a transdermal of just 2.5g of 4oht? I'm considering adding that to my m4ohn but I don't know if it will be effective.
    That would be a waste in my opinion. OHT is a good stacking agent, but does very little on its own. It goes well with 4ad. The M4OHN also has the hydroxy group so it should have some mild anti-e properties of its own. I may just stack with 1-test alone.

    If you do run it that way, don't waste a whole bottle of t-gel by only putting 2.5g in there. Take 1/4-1/2 of it & mix in another bottle.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Skark
    P,
    Thanks for running an M4 only cycle. We all need a little more feedback before we start stacking it.

    Good Luck....
    I had a log on here back in Feb. or March where I ran a M4OHN stack only.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Longdog
    That would be a waste in my opinion. OHT is a good stacking agent, but does very little on its own. It goes well with 4ad. The M4OHN also has the hydroxy group so it should have some mild anti-e properties of its own. I may just stack with 1-test alone.

    If you do run it that way, don't waste a whole bottle of t-gel by only putting 2.5g in there. Take 1/4-1/2 of it & mix in another bottle.
    I think I'm just going to stick with the m4ohn by itself this time around and see what it does for me - that'll help make my recovery easier too.

    If this cylce goes well I may decide to add a transderm of 1-test and 4oht the next time to give myself a little extra boost.

  12. Day 5:

    Weighed myself in this morning - no change whatsoever. I'm not noticing any effects at all (positive or negative) so far. Based on what I've read here and other places, I'm going to kick up my dosage to at least 6mg twice a day and I may go as high as 10mg twice a day once I get the caps I ordered. I've been taking Milk Thistle and NAC and I'm going add some R-ALA starting today.

    Today's workout is chest, shoulders and tris - maybe I'll see a strength increase but I'm not holding my breath.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by psywzrd
    Day 5:

    Weighed myself in this morning - no change whatsoever. I'm not noticing any effects at all (positive or negative) so far. Based on what I've read here and other places, I'm going to kick up my dosage to at least 6mg twice a day and I may go as high as 10mg twice a day once I get the caps I ordered. I've been taking Milk Thistle and NAC and I'm going add some R-ALA starting today.

    Today's workout is chest, shoulders and tris - maybe I'll see a strength increase but I'm not holding my breath.

    Got my caps today - they expire in late 2006. The HM Brand. Give it till day 9 until you see strength gain. Adding R-ALA is a great idea.
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  14. It is my opinion that you can step up the calories and avoid adding bodyfat. Calories at maintance will probably result in losing body fat rather than adding lean mass. Calories slightly above should result in lean body mass and still also body fat lost. That is my experience.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by Deoudes59
    Got my caps today - they expire in late 2006. The HM Brand. Give it till day 9 until you see strength gain. Adding R-ALA is a great idea.
    That's the same thing I ordered as well - I got a pretty good deal on 2 bottles and since I don't like taking liquids, I'm going to start the caps as soon as they come (probably Tuesday at the latest). I'm planning on 4 caps/day (20mg total) and I'll probably try to split the dosages up throughout the day.

    I got back from the gym a little while ago and definitely did not notice any increase in strength or vascularity. I'm hoping to see some positive results this week as I increase my dosage.

  16. takes a while to kick in - day 9
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  17. Here's a quick update.

    Day 7: Trained back, biceps and traps. No noticeable strength increase and although I did get a mean pump doing bis, I always do so I can't credit the m4ohn for that.

    Day 8: I wanted to weigh myself first thing in the morning but I forgot so I weighed myself after breakfast and my morning turd (breakfast was my usual protein shake and the turd was nothing to write home about). Anyway, I weighed in at a massive 160 so I'm thinking that it's more like 158 when you factor in the protein shake and the lack of a quality morning dump. That's basically two or three pounds gained in a little over a week and although I'm sure some of it is water, I'm not bloated at all. I upped my dosage to 12mg/day 3 days ago, so maybe that has something to do with the weight increase over the last few days. I'm hoping to get my capsules today and if I do, my dosage will probably be 20mg/day for the remainder of my cycle.

    One other thing to add is that I've been blessed with a shiny new zit on my cheek. I have no idea if it's related to the m4ohn but I'm not happy about it at all. I've started taking some B5 and I have some guggul on the way so that will be added to my cycle as well (can you tell I'm really vain? ).

  18. Just a follow up to my post yesterday. I weighed myself first thing this morning (day 9) to double-check my results from yesterday and sure enough I weighed in around 158-159 - that's a gain of 2-4 lbs. in 9 days so far. Also, my caps came yesterday so today is my first day at 20mg/day. Hopefully some strength increases will come this week as well.

  19. were you using Sledges' m4ohn before?
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by psywzrd
    Just a follow up to my post yesterday. I weighed myself first thing this morning (day 9) to double-check my results from yesterday and sure enough I weighed in around 158-159 - that's a gain of 2-4 lbs. in 9 days so far. Also, my caps came yesterday so today is my first day at 20mg/day. Hopefully some strength increases will come this week as well.
    It's good to see that you're making gains. I've been on it a week, & noticed nothing yet. I've lost about 5lbs, but I am taking tri-max too. I started at 8mg, & bumped gradually up to 16mg today. I will go to 20mg tomorrow.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Deoudes59
    were you using Sledges' m4ohn before?
    Yes.

  22. I have a new finding that may shed a little light on HM Gear's M4OHN.

    On Sledge's M4OHN, I had no hairloss at all (dosed: 6mg-10mg).
    Now, on HM Gears' I'm have experienced a little shedding in the past couple days (@ 20mgs). Now It early to draw conclusions but, correct me if i'm wrong - there should be no DHT side effects whatsoever - regardless of the dose.

    This tells me there might be something else other than M4ohn in Oxanavar.

    I will be monitoring this closely. I suggest anyone who made the switch from Sledge's product to HMs to do the same. Or anyone who has been using Oxanavar.

    It's early to draw a conclusion here, but its concerning nonetheless.
    I am going to post this in a couple other threads.
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  23. Not much new to report. Day 14 and my weight is holding steady around 158-159. Haven't noticed any drastic changes in body composition yet and I'm not really seeing any muscle hardness or increased vascularity. Strength is up ever so slightly (did chest, tris and shoulders on Day 12). Back, bis and traps today. No sides to speak of so far other than that one zit I noted about a week ago (it's taking its sweet time going away). Haven't noticed any shedding either (fingers crossed).

  24. Day 19: Weight was back down to 156 today - I guess I need to up my calories. I'm not noticing any major body composition changes and strength was about the same today (chest, shoulders and tris). About the only thing I'm noticing so far is a little bit of acne on my face. There's no way for me to know for sure if it's from the m4ohn but I'm going to assume that it is.

    I'm thinking about running this for a full 8 weeks followed by 3-4 weeks of PCT using Nolva. How does that sound to you guys?

  25. that would probably work but, if you haven't gained anything by day 25 - i wouldn't extend the cycle...
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