M4OHN, Lose Fat! Not Weight, Stregnth, Hair
04-27-2004 01:50 AM
M4OHN, Lose Fat! Not Weight, Stregnth, Hair
Age: 21 (almost 22)
Experience: Weightlifting: 7.5 years, Training Seriously: 4.5years, Training actually knowing what the hell I was doing: 2.5 years
Stats: 6'1", 212lbs-217lbs, Body Fat is Tough is Judge (mirror is best indicator), Arms are really cut, Fat is in Chest, Obliques.
Lifts: Bench 225x20, Squat is 405x15, 225 x 50ish (I have a torn patellar tendon in my left knee - so heavy squats will wait until after surgery).
Cycle: *Projected: 25-30days of M4OHN, Absolved, Liver Protectants (NAC), Saw Palmetto, Hawthorn Berry, Epherda (only for preworkout boost), Propecia (any problems here?)
Post Cycle: Nolvadex, 6oxo, ZMA, Olive/Flax Oil, Creatine
Dose: M4OHN: 6mg-10mg, Absolved 4 squirts x 2 (apx 12hours apart)
Nolvadex 40mg, 40mg, 30mg, then 20mg over 4 weeks. 6oxo 200mg-300mg over 4 weeks.
Supplements: Multivitamin, ON Whey.
Diet: Mostly TBA. Calorie range apx 2300-2800. Will go as low as possible until scale moves down. Up to 300g of Protein. I lose fat/weight really easily. Protein from solid foods, mainly.
Training: Train 6 days a week. Cardio on 4 of those days. Training will be lifting heavy (HIT - compound lifts) but for only an hour on days with Cardio. Up to 100mins on the days without cardio. I'm going to listen to my body, and take a rest day if I need one.
Goals: Lose Fat, not strength, weight, hair. For the past two summers, I've absolutely murdered my strength with Epherda. I want to maintain strength at the very least, gaining some would be awesome.
Any and All Feedback is welcome.
04-27-2004 04:51 AM
just put 3ml (6mg) in about 8oz of Grapejuice Juice.
Going to hit the gym.
Back & Cardio on tap.
04-27-2004 08:38 AM
Back went pretty well, basically set PRs on all lifts. Now this isn't attributed to the M4OHN. I had finished a M1T run, about 3.5 weeks ago, so during my PCT - I wasn't really pushing it to failure. Deadlifts without any back pain.
Cardio for 25 minutes.
An interesting note: I took 1 tablet of Ephedrine HCL with some Green Tea before the workout. Epherda usually destroys any sort of pump, especially any potential perpetual pump that I get. But I am still am fairly pumped right now, 2 hours after weights.
04-27-2004 04:24 PM
Running with the Big Boys
Did you say you squat 405 15 times?? Impressive!
04-28-2004 04:28 AM
I am dropping the Propecia, to avoid any potential problems.
04-28-2004 05:37 AM
If you are squatting (and not half or quarter squatting) 415 for 15 reps, that IS impressive.
04-28-2004 01:52 PM
nevermind not dropping the propecia.
As for squat, I used to squat 225 x 15-20, two cycles of 1-ad got me at 405 x 15.
I learned proper form which dramatically helped.
Well, it also tore my patellar tendon. Surgery winter time?
04-28-2004 02:02 PM
I can up put good squat numbers, average bench numbers. Strong Curl. I still feel my body is hardly impressive, arms are 15.5 - 16inches. I'm only 21, so theres time to grow. I'm taking my training very seriously.
04-29-2004 08:55 AM
Took yesterday off. Today I worked arms at high reps and abs also - did a little cardio. My sleeping pattern is all over the place, but I've been getting at least 8 hours nonetheless. But it's left me drained during the workout. Pumps aren't quite what M1T gives, but they are still there. Starting weight was in the range of 212-217, I'm 210 right now. I'm really watching this carefully. I don't intend to go below 205 if at all possible.
No increases in strength yet (when should i expect?), but no decreases either. Definitly look leaner. But again, I shred fat really easy. Noticibly leaner where Absolved is being applied.
04-30-2004 10:24 AM
I woke up at 205lbs, I think I'm sitting in the 208-212range however. I have been really really tired. My libido is dead so far. I was expecting just the opposite in both reguards.
04-30-2004 07:21 PM
I don't know what the hell is going on here.
I have a shortness of breathe and terrible back fatigue all day. I've taken Potassium and Ibuprofen. I thought it was from come down from the epherda but now im not sure.
Went to the gym today and I left after 20minutes. I look pale and sick.
Libido is dead.
I did arms yesterday, and today wanted to test my strength on bench. I was sure that it was going to be up. I can get 225 x 20, but today I got 225 x 15 (barely). I really hope this is because my triceps are sore from yesterday. And I haven't lost strength....
I don't know if should have waited to start cutting, and done something of a frontloading period with M4OHN. Or if the M4OHN takes a week or so to kick in and cutting before that time - just canibalizes muscle.
Last time I cut my squat went from 405 x 13 to 315 x 10. I can't have this happen again.
I mentally feel terrible. This never happens to me. For now I plan to stay on and test my strength again tomorow. If it is down, I'm stopping the cycle.
04-30-2004 07:40 PM
Could it just be that you are coming down with an illness of some sort? This almost sounds like you could be coming down with the flu or something of that nature.
I imagine you could be seeing some negative sides from the androgens you're on as well though, but it does seem odd to be seeing such drastic side effects in only four days time.
04-30-2004 08:24 PM
I'm going to try and get a good nights sleep, lots of vitamin C.
05-01-2004 12:37 AM
Originally Posted by Deoudes59
Good luck with it Deoudes59...I am very interested in this stuff, especially if it's good 4 losing extra lb's. However, if these "sides" persist, you might want 2 see the doctor. (hope it's just the flu) --- Good luck man.
05-01-2004 08:39 PM
Felt much better today.
Went to check the strength, and Bench was 225 x 18, better than yesterday's disappointment of 225 x 15. (started cycle at 225 x 20). I can feel the fast recovery. Sitting at 210lbs again. Moral of the story is: for me not to get so ambitious with cutting, not until this stuff has fully kicked in. The absolved is slowly but surely working.
Anyway, today I did legs today. My back has been funny so I didn't get too crazy on the squats (I have a partially torn patellar tendon that will require surgery in my left knee anyhow). Did 225 x 40+ - Which was fairly difficult - I'm not sure if it was the angle at which the bar was on my back.
My right shoulder seems tight - prehaps thats costs me reps on the bench - and I never got really locked in on the squats. Did stiff leg deadlifts, and I really hit some of the machines hard. Leg Curls for 20+ (for 5-6sets), Same with Leg Extension. Could hardly walk afterward.
The direction im taking this is -- eat at maintance or slightly higher. Eatting below (w/ epherda and cardio) has made me drop lbs and strength (so far)... I believe I can drop fat at maintance and reep the benefits of strength gains (when they come)
I've been spoiled from M1T, I'm expecting huge strengths right away. My concern is that im building up a tolerance to androgens - ive only done 2 M1T cycles this year (15 days each) - after being off for about 6 months. I shouldn't have a high tolerance. right....?
so my question:
When should I expect the strength gains?
* I'm trying to base it on the dosage -- whether I should up it (currently at 6mg).
Thanks guys, the cycle continues....
05-02-2004 11:00 AM
What kind of scale do you use? Those fluxuations would drive me crazy.
I know M4 takes a while to kick in, yeah I think maybe you could front load for the first 10 days with a small amount of M1T (like 2.5 mg) or M5AA to keep the strength up during the calorie restriction.
The libido thing is far different than other report. How have you been in the past on Ephedrine? Some say that robs libido.
05-02-2004 01:00 PM
It's insane, its just a bathroom scale, tested against an accurate scale - its pretty accurate. It does drive me crazy. I've totally f_cked my body up during cutting. I'll be the 1st to admit i didnt know what the hell i was doing.
Lost a 405 x 13 squat to 315 x less than 10. Cut with ephedra and massive ammounts of glutamine. So i'm scared to death to lose strength. I did get the strength back however.
So should I keep the 6mg dose of M4ohn steady? Or up it? I don't believe its kicked in yet, at least for strength purposes.... I'd rather not stack two Methyls, a 1-test transdermal maybe?
05-02-2004 09:55 PM
Woke up weighing about 206, after a protein shake w/ oats and some water - I was about 209. Been feeling pretty good. Shaved body hair to maxiumize the effect of the Absolved. I appear to have more body fat than before.
Since my should had been bothering me, I am going to save back for tomorow and hit biceps, abs, and 30minutes of cardio. Hard to tell if strength is up - need to do a compound lift - will check tomorow. Took 1 ripped fuel and was really intense. Started with standing dumbell curls of 10 - with a 45sec-70sec rest period. Curled 30,35,40,45,50,55,60 in this period. Really upped my heart rate. Did other variations of curls (incline, preacher, and an iso machine). Biceps lasted about 45min, did weighted situps afterward - then 30minutes of fairly low intensive cardio.
The treadmills are really nice, they have TVs in them, DVD players, CD players, its pretty sweet (i'm new to this gym). Between Dennis Miller and Ripped Fuel, time passed quick on the cardio.
Recovery is noticably faster, killer leg workout yesterday, legs are stiff, but not too bad.
I upped the dose to 8mg, 6mg in the morning, 2mg preworkout. Tomorow I will just take all 8mg at once.
05-04-2004 10:44 AM
Is it too early to say you like this PH? Do you think maybe you "overdid" the cutting and may have changed the potential early results? Or is it just too darned early yet?
It has been 2-days since the last post - just wondering?
05-04-2004 11:43 AM
Yeah I did overdo the cutting, mainly due to not eatting enough carbs in the first few days - when the stuff hadn't kicked in yet.
Originally Posted by EricForman
It's too early yet.... took yesterday off. Today should a better indictor of where strength is at.
I'll report back later today....
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