The best cycle's for beginners (Post Here)
- 05-20-2009, 09:18 PM
- 05-20-2009, 09:23 PM
I'm currently a beginner to cycles, and I am trying to get lean while getting strength gains. I would prefer oral and something that i can get a full 4-6 week cycle for under $150.00. I'm on a strict diet, HIIT daily, lifting 4 times a week, and ready to take a cycle. I have looked into Epistane, but I have a real life friend who gained unwanted stomach fat so it scared me. (He also did not run or do ab exercises throughout the entire cycle)
- 05-21-2009, 11:32 AM
so he didn't run, and I'm guessing his diet was crap. That is his fault, not the steriod's. People use epistane to bulk and to cut, so it can do what you want as long as the other factors (diet, training, rest) are all in order.
05-21-2009, 11:54 AM
epistane 10,20,20,30 pct post cycle supportas directed then 3 weeks into the post cycle support through in some 6oxo starting at a higher dosage and gradually decreas it out for 4 weeks to combat any estrogen rebound. there's a website if you google over the counter post cycle therapy. if you can get some "not" over the counter pct thats great but you'll have to search the forums as all that info has been posted a million times before. good luck!
05-21-2009, 11:55 AM
05-21-2009, 02:32 PM
Take Cyclo Bolan Its a H-drol /S-drol stack. Im in my; first cycle ever and im running Cyclo Bolan and let me tell you it is working very good! alot af strenth gains and lean muscle!! Its incredible! just make sure you take supps for your liver like Milk thistle, NAC, and pct.
05-21-2009, 02:52 PM
05-21-2009, 03:22 PM
05-21-2009, 05:05 PM
I think there is nothing wrong with using Cyclo Bolan as a first cycle as long as you know what you are doing. If you drink plenty of water and take liver support supps and a proper PCT you should be fine. Also vitamins like B-6 p-5-p and other types of Coenzymes are good too.
05-21-2009, 05:08 PM
OP There is a reason you don't see everyone using Cyclo Bolan, no one wants to dose 30mg Superdrol with 50mg Hdrol as a beginner and most likely not as an experienced user
05-21-2009, 05:10 PM
you deadlift 225, but are telling newbies what gear to use...when you're on your first cycle as well.
hopefully the OP will find better advice here with proper research and time.
05-21-2009, 05:17 PM
Hey there how bout you twig you only about 165 how much could you deadlift? I actually increased my deadlift. Last night I pumped out 3 sets of 11 at 255 and my squat is now at 215 Im getting swoll as hell of Cyclo Bolan. And I have done plenty of research way before I ever ran this cycle or ever became a member to this site. I know that it may be a bit harsh but with proper supps and plenty of water and PCT you should be fine.
05-21-2009, 05:19 PM
so I stand by what I said earlier, this is not a good choice for a first cycle.
05-21-2009, 07:59 PM
05-21-2009, 08:03 PM
05-21-2009, 08:30 PM
I ordered Epistane today that comes with AI Cycle Support. I plan to take it 30/30/50/50. Do you recommend me take the CS during cycle or after cycle. I'm going to take Nolvadex for PCT. Keep in mind this is my first cycle of any kind ,and I have thought about this carefully.
05-21-2009, 08:39 PM
I think you could get away with OTC PCT for Epistane, but maybe want to talk with others. pre load cycle support and run it till it runs out.
05-21-2009, 08:45 PM
first cycle going to 50 on epi? I wouldnt go above 30, and really just move along smoothly. you will make solid gains and see by around the end of week 2-3 some nice progress
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05-21-2009, 09:08 PM
Yeah many online people tell me that, but my rl friend took it that way and gained 21 pounds. he also has been working out alot longer than me. I've worked out for months but stopped. Have only been back into for about 1 month. I'll take it as you advise. how many calories should i take in daily.
05-22-2009, 12:57 PM
05-22-2009, 01:38 PM
Why not hold your gear till mid-September and hit the iron and get a good diet regimen and then re-evaluate whether you want to start your first cycle. Figure you run it for 4 weeks plus 4 weeks PCT, that takes you to mid-november, great to be off cycle on thanksgiving and x-mas IMO, and if time on=time off then you can put together a nice 6-week second cycle for mid-march to end of april. Summer 2010 you'll be Mr. America. That'd be my move.
05-22-2009, 01:49 PM
Speking from personal experience, cycles are overrated especially if your foundation (diet, workout program, and rest) is weak. I've done quite a few cycles but I still have problems with the very basics.
Anyway, as others have stated previously, it all depends on what your objectives are. There are some products that are better used to bulk, others to cut, and others in between for recomposition.
How old are you Davidlee?
05-22-2009, 01:59 PM
05-22-2009, 02:01 PM
i'm taking the cycle no matter what.. i've done ordered it and got my mind set on it.. I've been dieting strictly for a while now, HIIT daily, i'm working from home until next semester so i have plenty of time on my hands to do what ever is needed.. i need a good cycle workout is what i need. If you all are just going to tell me not to then seems i have wasted my time making this post.
05-22-2009, 02:03 PM
05-22-2009, 02:15 PM
05-22-2009, 02:39 PM
im 20 I have lifted on and off for years, stopped this past year of college and have only been back into it for a month, im outta shape and have a high percent of body fat... how long do you say i wait? im not waiting till september.. thats ridiculous.. i know people who started lifting and in the same month took deca and turned out great. please dont take my comments as disrespect either.. i know your all trying to help.. but im a little guy who can only get cut.. not bulk. I am also tired of my strict diet and was waiting to take epi so i could quit starving my selfs of good meats..
05-22-2009, 02:44 PM
05-22-2009, 02:45 PM
05-22-2009, 02:51 PM
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05-22-2009, 03:00 PM
you could have just left it alone when i said ty but you have to go and say all that trying to instigate an argument.. i asked about my pct and you tell me to bit take it at all.. i did not read the board rules where it said 21 yrs old so thats my fault and i wont be posting on these forums anymore. ty have a nice day
05-22-2009, 04:52 PM
only lifting for 1 month while admitting to not having a diet dialed is not a good foundation for any cycle...let's tackle these first.
05-22-2009, 04:54 PM
You aren't ready for steroids bud. After a couple years dedication, re-think it again, and you may be ready then. Right now it's just a shortcut, and the only thing you are going to learn is to rely on steroids to make your progress, when you no doubt could make it with just dedication. Most people who are out of shape don't have good results from hormones in the likes that you see people get who are in shape... save it for later.
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05-22-2009, 04:57 PM
05-23-2009, 09:38 AM
DavidLee yoiur only 20 that is way to young to start a cycle. you will mess up your body. Im on my first cycle but I made sure I did it when I was passed 21 now im 22 and on my first cycle. And as far as epistane I heard it sucks by alot of people. My friend personally tried Epi and he told me never to run it. I think some H-drol would be fine. It is one of the less toxic PH. But then again you should develop a healthy deit with a good workout regimen. And wait 2 years and then run a cycle. Just work out those legs do alot of squats. Its easy just lift big,eat big get big!!
05-23-2009, 09:48 AM
I deadlift 255 buddy and Im only 178 como on bud! Plus I know a couple of cats just like me where I go train MMA at that ran Cyclo Bolan for the first time with proper Supps and they did just fine.
05-23-2009, 01:41 PM
05-23-2009, 01:47 PM
05-23-2009, 01:56 PM
for a first cycle i would take ones with the least shutdown that still provide an anabolic effect. those would be:
the logic here is to get a new user used to PCT - if you miss a dose of support supplements in PCT with the above, its not a huge deal. miss a dose of clomid from a mdrol run and bad things can happen.
IMO that is the most important aspect of a proper cycle - getting used to PCT, learning how your body responds to shutdown, and being very careful to recover properly. for a newb, being completely shut down from a harsh cycle is a scary thing. additionally, an incorrect PCT with the harsher prohormones can really get some gyno started, and i know very few first time users that take PCT as seriously as they should.
05-29-2009, 09:20 AM
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