M1T 5 mg ED cycle log

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  1. Hmm, Im scared to jump on the scale now Hogie. Last time I checked my weight was on Friday and I was only down 2lbs. My strength is still goin up as well.


  2. i was curious how you were doing. after you weigh yourself hit me up.
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  3. You arent going to like what I have to say Hogie. I weighed myself and it appears Im actually up 1/2 a lb from the last time I weighed myself. One thing though, on military press I couldnt get the same amount of reps as I got last week. I think it was mainly because I didnt have a spotter though.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by LIFTER23
    You arent going to like what I have to say Hogie. I weighed myself and it appears Im actually up 1/2 a lb from the last time I weighed myself. One thing though, on military press I couldnt get the same amount of reps as I got last week. I think it was mainly because I didnt have a spotter though.
    no, i am happy for you really . jk good job dude. just tell me everything you did for pct, your workout, diet, and anything else.

  5. Well, instead of liquid clomid, I have been using liquid nolva. I used 40mg the first week and now im using 20mg for the last week. As far as calories, I upped my protien and carbs by about 30g a day, so about 240-250 calorie increase everyday. My training has stayed exactly the same though. I just really tried to make sure to up reps or weight used post cycle so that I wouldnt lose any strength. I dont want to gain a whole bunch of strength and lose it all, thats a intensity killer.

    I really cant wait to get on, are you gonna up your dosage or no next time? Im thinking about running 15mg ED for this nex cycle. I want to get to 190 so bad, probably wont happen with this cycle, but I figure Ill will get to at least 185-187 this next time.

    What did you notice the biggest difference visably? For me it was definitly trap, shoulders, including rear delts, and my arm size, gained about 1/4".

  6. ok, i will make sure to follow your example next time. yeah i am going to up the dosage to 10 or may be 15. the reason i think maybe 15 is because i could take it when i wake up, before workout and before bed. but i am definetely going to go with the liquid nolva this next time or probably both since i still got some clomid. and i am also going to make my cycle 3-4 weeks. i just dont want a quick gain quick loss again. anyhoo, thanks for the advice bro.
    but i definetely noticed my shoulders got bigger, i just look more top heavy.
    Last edited by hogiejoe; 01-27-2004 at 01:52 PM. Reason: add some info

  7. if i go ahead and use the combo of liquid nolva and liquid clomid after my 4 week 10 mg ed m1t cycle, does anyone have suggestions on how i should combine the 2 as far as dosages. thanks
  8. ItriedtoripoffBobosonowIamgonehaveaniceday
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    Hey lifter23 you should stay on Nolva for an extra week. Two sounds two short. Better safe than sorry.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by hogiejoe
    ok, i will make sure to follow your example next time. yeah i am going to up the dosage to 10 or may be 15. the reason i think maybe 15 is because i could take it when i wake up, before workout and before bed. but i am definetely going to go with the liquid nolva this next time or probably both since i still got some clomid. and i am also going to make my cycle 3-4 weeks. i just dont want a quick gain quick loss again. anyhoo, thanks for the advice bro.
    but i definetely noticed my shoulders got bigger, i just look more top heavy.
    I don't understand why you would feel it necessary to bump up to 15mg. You had great results with the 5, so why increase it and take the side affect risks if you don't have to. If anything I would think that PCT deserves more attention with an increased dosage of food.

    my 2 cents

    cm5

  10. yeah, no ****! thanks cook for stating the obvious. i was just a little irrational after not keeping most of my gains and i want to avoid this next go around. do you or anyone else have advice on dosages if i am stacking clomid and nolva pct. should i go ahead and dose them like i were taking them each individually.
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  11. And if you were to bump it up, I would only go to 10mg ED. You got about the same results as me on 5 mg ED, so you shouldnt bump it up a whole 10mn ED.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by hogiejoe
    yeah, no ****! thanks cook for stating the obvious. i was just a little irrational after not keeping most of my gains and i want to avoid this next go around. do you or anyone else have advice on dosages if i am stacking clomid and nolva pct. should i go ahead and dose them like i were taking them each individually.
    nova helps with estrogen and water i didnt use nova for my cycle of test E because am not pron to estrogen but on my PCT what i have learn at the anabolic review is for PCT nova 20mg for 30days clomid 300mg day 1....100mg 2-11 .....50mg 12-21 this sould get u normolize ...then go get blood work ur doc works for u ....u dont work for u doctor an most insurecen cover blood work get ur test levels chek out and ur proctain level chek out to high levels of this would afect ur libido....no sex drive ...anyway my inglesh writing has to improve go to the anabolic review for pct there advocat for nova and clomid ..fitnes gear would say nova & hcg....
  13. ItriedtoripoffBobosonowIamgonehaveaniceday
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    Its ok bro, you will get better with time. My uncle in Puerto Rico knows English better than most of my friends and i live in jersey bro.

  14. The reason you lost a good deal of the weight you gain is simply because you were in a state of supercompensation from the androgens. As they were clearing your body, your body normalized. Do you really think its realistic to gain 9lbs of muscle in a two week span? The human body can adapt, but it can only go so far. IMO i would take the cycle for 3-4 weeks, or if you prefer sticking to, really up your calories in the assumption that you will lose at least 7 lbs of water. Then if you end up losing less, even better.

  15. thanks for everyones advice. i know what you are saying about the water weight, i knew it was not possible to ad that much muscle. i dont eat a pound of protein a day. but i was thinking i could take some ephedra during my next cycle to keep this to a minimum. also what if i taper off how much i am using at the end of a cycle, will this help to avoid such an androgen withdrawal. thats the best term i could think of. peace
    Last edited by hogiejoe; 02-02-2004 at 10:03 AM.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Scottyo
    The reason you lost a good deal of the weight you gain is simply because you were in a state of supercompensation from the androgens. As they were clearing your body, your body normalized. Do you really think its realistic to gain 9lbs of muscle in a two week span? The human body can adapt, but it can only go so far. IMO i would take the cycle for 3-4 weeks, or if you prefer sticking to, really up your calories in the assumption that you will lose at least 7 lbs of water. Then if you end up losing less, even better.
    I understand that you cannot gain 9lbs of lean muscle mass, but why did I hold on to 6 of my 8lbs. Am I just holding an extra 4 lbs of water? I mean, I really dont look bloated or smooter really. Just bigger.

  17. I did a 2 week cycle at 10mg for the first week and 20mg the 2nd. I gained 12 lbs and kept 6. Used Nolva for pct. Overall I'm happy with my gains.
  

  
 

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