M1T 5 mg ED cycle log
- 01-15-2004, 03:42 PM
- 01-15-2004, 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by LIFTER23
- 01-15-2004, 09:39 PM
Originally Posted by Cogar
01-15-2004, 10:15 PM
ha, way to go lifter but you not gonna gain more than me, ill be busting my ass. so do you think you are gonna stop your cycle even though you are still gaining, imo you should keep goin as long as you got some good pct. no matter what you do though congrats on your gains.
01-15-2004, 10:19 PM
Yeah, congrats to you too. Yeah, its still up in the air, I dont see why you couldnt continue if you are still progressing and you have your PCT in order.
THe only thing Ive read is that its easier to manage your gains from a 2 weeker because you aren't going to be shutdown as hard, but Ive seen that debated, I dont know yet . What about you?
01-15-2004, 11:01 PM
well i think i am gonna keep on going to 3 weeks at the most. i dont think any longer than that though. as of today i am still gaining so. but i 3 weeks looks like a good cut off point and then some clomid for pct to get the boys working again.
01-15-2004, 11:02 PM
01-15-2004, 11:10 PM
01-15-2004, 11:29 PM
Yes, it is hard to tell if you take measurements too often. It often takes a full week to confirm your gains because your body fluctuates a little each day.Originally Posted by LIFTER23
01-15-2004, 11:30 PM
Nolva should be good, trib and nolva is what im gonna take, I have femara too but im saving that for throughout my cycle of test and dbol
01-16-2004, 04:04 PM
I'm glad to hear of all your gains. I received my M1T testerday and I'm in my second day of the cycle. I'm taking 10g ed a day, my first way in was at 176 but that was mid day this morning it was 173. So I'll say thats my bottom weight. I can already feel the tightness hogiejoe is talking about, just like the pump is lasting longer, all day. Plus the M1T seems to make me hyper/jittery do you all get that feeling as well? I ain't got much time right now, but I just want to say I hope my cycle goes as well as both of yours have so far.
01-16-2004, 10:33 PM
sweet hulkster, good luck with the cycle. my first day i was like that too, i think i was justreally excited about having my m1t. youll probably slow down here pretty soon.
well day 13 is in the books and i think i am gonna stop my cycle today. tomorrow is a day off so i am just gonna stop today and start the clomid tomorrow. i gained 8 pounds total and gained lots of strength. ill post later to let everyone know how the pct went.
01-16-2004, 10:40 PM
One comment (feel free to disregard): Since your muscles grow on the days off, not workout days, you might want to run your cycle one more day to recover and grow from today's workout.Originally Posted by hogiejoe
01-16-2004, 11:38 PM
that is definetely some good reasoning but i think i am ready to get my nuts working again. i have never taken a compound this potent and i have noticed a loss in libiddo the past 2 days or so and it kinda freaks me out. i figure i am gonna hurry up and start the pct and get the boys pumpin to avoid as hard of a shutdown, i think i will end up with the same gains when all is said and done if not more. let me know if this wrong.
01-17-2004, 12:15 AM
Cogar is right.....your test production was shut down a long time ago buddy....that extra day of dosing on the off day helps to recover since you don't want to be trying to recover while the hormones are all out of your system.
01-19-2004, 11:24 AM
01-19-2004, 11:47 AM
ok, so i went ahead with cogar's advice and continued my cycle on my days off. so the last 2 days of my cycle were my off days and i also started my pct of clomid. i thought it might be a good idea to overlap the pct so my boys would be pumping right when i stop my cycle. i will be back tonight with my final weight and final thoughts of my cycle.
01-19-2004, 10:00 PM
final thoughts of my 5 mg ed m1t cycle
my cycle lasted a total of 15 days on 5 mg ed of m1t. i weighed in today at 180 pounds bringing my gains to a grand total of 9 pounds and i am still very lean. you can still see striations in my shouders and a well defined 6 pack so i believe very little of it is water weight. my strength also skyrocketed at every single lift.
precycle post cycle
bench 240 x 5 bench 255 x 5 last set
squats 225 x 10 squats 245 x 10 last set
also my side effects were minimul except for a nagging headache i had from about day 3 to day 12. my libido also became non existant at about day 13 which is one of the reasons i decdided to stop my cycle(i will do another 15 day cycle in about 3 weeks). i have done some 1 ad and 4 diol before but never experienced this side that is why i was freaked out a little. i knew it would happen but damn i am still young and one of the main reasons i started working out was to get more *****. so all in all i had a great cycle, never missed a workout, ate like a champ and gained 9 pounds. i also have a friend that did this with me and drank and ate like **** despite my warnings and he looks like a teenage girl holding water on her period. although he only drank a few times, that is his work ethic in a nutshell, so dont expect this to be magic beans it is only a supplement. peace and ill try to post pics once i get my friends dig camera.
01-19-2004, 10:08 PM
01-20-2004, 06:12 AM
01-20-2004, 11:46 AM
Hey man, don't make this the final thoughts. Wait a couple weeks and post how much you've retained.
01-20-2004, 12:06 PM
01-23-2004, 02:54 AM
as requested, here is an update on my pct. i am now 1 week into my pct and i stepped on the scale not feeling as big as i did while i was on the m1t but to my surprise i weighed in at the exact same weight when i finished my cycle. actually i might have even weighed a 1/4 lb more or so. i was extrememly excited and in my opinion the liquid clomid from lion is the ****, except for the emotional breakdowns i feel like having every day. this is my pct and then back on the m1t.
week 1- 4 ml
week 2- 2 ml
is it possible to take clomid the whole time for my 2 weeks m1t cycle or maybe just the second week. would this have any benifits at all?
01-23-2004, 12:39 PM
As I understand it, having estrogen is good during the cycle and contributes to the gains. Quoting Bobo here, "Estrogen does so many beneficial things when kept within normal levels. It will increase glycogen storage, GH, IGF-1, strength, joint protection, etc...." You just do not want it post cycle where it overpowers your test levels. What you did (not taking any during the cycle) is probably the best choice.Originally Posted by hogiejoe
01-23-2004, 01:48 PM
hey hogie why did you use clomid instead of the nolva? most people i have been reading about are all using the nolva. i have read a few posts about the emotional breakdowns people have had.
just curious, great lookin cycle congrats on your gains.
01-23-2004, 02:39 PM
well i have this book called the world anabolic review 1996. i read about both of the compounds and it seemed to me that clomid would better fit me.first, clomid is considered to primarily stimulate test production, and act as an enti-estogen secondly. i felt i was not too sensitive to estogenic effects and would better benefit from a compound that primarily just got my test levels back to baseline or higher. clomid is also known to have your test levels back to normal within 10-14 days, and the positive effects can be expected to last up to 20 days after the last dose. so that means a less harsh shutdown during my second 2 week cycle, at least that is a theory i had but it seems to make sense. the main thing i got from reading about nolva is it is an antiestrogen and does not stimulate test as well. i have read the article on here clomid vs nolva and despite that i chose clomid because of the reasons i stated earlier. however, i am going with nolva after my second 2 weeker just to see which one i like more personally.Originally Posted by good_guye28
01-25-2004, 11:17 PM
i have almost been off for 2 weeks and i have retained nothing except for 2 pounds. what the hell did i do wrong? i dont think i ate as much as i should have but i continued to hit the weights. should i have just stuffed my face like lee priest and stopped working out. in hindsight this is what i think i should have done. does anyone have any advice on how to retain as much as possible. i am so goddam frustrated right now, when i stepped on the scale today it just ruined my whole ****ing week. i am about to do my second 2 weeker and i need some advice for pct. and also i will be using nolva next time, or should i use nolva and clomid. and finally has anyone else had similar experiences with there m1t.
thanks in advance
01-25-2004, 11:50 PM
Have you lost a lot of strength? If not, I really wouldn't even worry about what the scale says. I don't know if it's the same for you, but 1-test and 1-AD both make me retain unbelievable amounts of water, especially in my face. Post cycle I have always lost a good amount of weight, but retained the strength gains or continued to improve. I used to let the scale **** with my mind too until I realized that I look a hell of alot better at 200 than 230.
01-26-2004, 04:18 AM
my strength continues to improve but it just pisses me off because i thougfht i would retain more than that, what the hell is the point of even taking it? well i am doing it again with a different approach to pct. i am going to lift extremely light and eat like an animal. does anyone think that this might have been where i went wrong. should i not have lifted during my pct?
01-26-2004, 04:45 AM
Don't lift extremely light, hit it hard but cut the volume. Definitely eat a ton post cycle, for at least the same amount of time as you were on. Eat a lot of saturated fat too. Up your fat intake and slightly lower carbs.
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