nunes "montana method" cycle log

**nunes** · 08-19-2008, 05:39 PM

ok my friends , I`m not a long cycle apologist , I know that big gains come with long cycles but personally I want to be healthy and above all I want my balls in shape when I reach my 60`s , for me bodybuilding is being in shape , big but healthy.
I`m not a mass monster but I`m only 8% bf in a 5`7 180 lbs frame so I`m almost satisfied with my results , but 190 lbs its my objective with this cycle.
My cycle its based in the Montana method (Steroids for health-SHORT CYCLES Explained : Tupincho.net - In english) with some adjustments, so lets see:

compounds:
injectable primo, andriol, mass tabs(or phera), anavar, proviron

dosage schedule:
week 1
day 1,3,5,7-100mg injectable primo
ed-6 andriol and 1 mass tabs
week2
day9,11,13-100mg inj.primo
ed-6 andriol and 1 mass tabs
week3
day 15, 17, 19, 21-100mg inj.primo
ed-25mg anavar
week 4
ed-25 mg proviron on the am for 5 days

and then PCT:
First 2 weeks:
nolva 20 mg ed , post cycle support from AI and M-stack
last 2 weeks
post cycle support from AI ,200 mg formestane ed and T-bol from thermolife beginning in week 4(when m-stack is over)

ANCILIARIES:
-SAMe
-essential forte n
-Thermolife Liver Longer
-NOW Foods Cholesterol Support
-Primaforce ProLiver
-liv52.

I will start this cycle on the first of September and I still have some doubts on:
-using or not NO, creatine on cycle
-using mass tabs or phera on the first 2 weeks

until I start I`m open to suggestions , so c`mon bros say what you have to say

1 note , the use of andriol is to fight testosterone depletion sides , I`m not expecting big gains from it but keep sides such as lethargy out

tnick7 · 08-19-2008, 05:55 PM

Cool bro, I'm in for sure

Have you used mass tabs or phera before? Would you consider SD since its only 2 weeks?

For the NO I dont think you will need it, creatine should be fine IMO, and continue it during PCT and then start the NO maybe

Best of luck bro!!!!!

**nunes** · 08-19-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tnick7

Cool bro, I'm in for sure

Have you used mass tabs or phera before? Would you consider SD since its only 2 weeks?

For the NO I dont think you will need it, creatine should be fine IMO, and continue it during PCT and then start the NO maybe

Best of luck bro!!!!!

no, I`m a mass, phera virgin ,the reason I didn't thought in SD its because i have phera and mass in my arsenal and since mass is (at least its what gurus say) similar to SD I think the results will not vary a lot.
My big doubt is what compound will stack better with the primo?

just93 · 08-19-2008, 06:12 PM

yaaahh, im down for this one!!

tnick7 · 08-19-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nunes

no, I`m a mass, phera virgin ,the reason I didn't thought in SD its because i have phera and mass in my arsenal and since mass is (at least its what gurus say) similar to SD I think the results will not vary a lot.
My big doubt is what compound will stack better with the primo?

hmm, I am too! IDK what would work best with primo, I honestly dont know much about it

I know people who have run mass tabs an it really go going after 2 weeks or so and it seems the same with phera. The two fastest compounds I have heard of are SD and Kilo Trenadrol.

Of the two I would probably lean towards mass tabs. I know a lot of people who ran them with great results and very little sides. I have also seen some blood work on the forums and liver values didn't seem to elevated.

**nunes** · 08-19-2008, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnick7

hmm, I am too! IDK what would work best with primo, I honestly dont know much about it

I know people who have run mass tabs an it really go going after 2 weeks or so and it seems the same with phera. The two fastest compounds I have heard of are SD and Kilo Trenadrol.

Of the two I would probably lean towards mass tabs. I know a lot of people who ran them with great results and very little sides. I have also seen some blood work on the forums and liver values didn't seem to elevated.

skipping the var and go on week 3 with mass its a possibility also, my intention was to do a kick start with mass and minimize suppression skipping it to var but all options are open at this time.
do you know if mass was very suppressive in the blood work you saw?

**Ziquor** · 08-19-2008, 06:24 PM

Awesome Nunes, you know I'm in bro. Var should ROCK

tnick7 · 08-19-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nunes

skipping the var and go on week 3 with mass its a possibility also, my intention was to do a kick start with mass and minimize suppression skipping it to var but all options are open at this time.
do you know if mass was very suppressive in the blood work you saw?

Here is some blood work from BB forums, but it wasnt specifically for the cycle so there is not test levels:

PRE:

Cholesterol: 191
Triglycerides: 183 (long story behind that)
HDLC: 34
LDL: 120
Non-HDLC: 157
Chol/HDL Ratio: 5.6

LIVER:
ALT (SGPT): 36
AST (SGOT): 24

POST:

Cholesterol: 197
Triglycerides: 94
HDLC: 19
LDL: 159
Non-HDLC: 178
Chol/HDL Ratio: 10.4

LIVER:
ALT (SGPT): 36
AST (SGOT): 25

I cant remember any more. If I find more I will post them too, but I do think its fairly suppressive.

**Trauma1** · 08-19-2008, 06:41 PM

I'm here to support you brother nunes!

Good luck buddy!

**nunes** · 08-19-2008, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnick7

Here is some blood work from BB forums, but it wasnt specifically for the cycle so there is not test levels:

PRE:

Cholesterol: 191
Triglycerides: 183 (long story behind that)
HDLC: 34
LDL: 120
Non-HDLC: 157
Chol/HDL Ratio: 5.6

LIVER:
ALT (SGPT): 36
AST (SGOT): 24

POST:

Cholesterol: 197
Triglycerides: 94
HDLC: 19
LDL: 159
Non-HDLC: 178
Chol/HDL Ratio: 10.4

LIVER:
ALT (SGPT): 36
AST (SGOT): 25

I cant remember any more. If I find more I will post them too, but I do think its fairly suppressive.

, man that results are unbelievable, seems like there was no methyl in that stuff, did the guy had any gains?

tnick7 · 08-19-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nunes

, man that results are unbelievable, seems like there was no methyl in that stuff, did the guy had any gains?

The thread says gained 6lb and dropped 3% bf on a recomp. This blood work is a few days into PCT using nolvadex @ 40mg with Life Support.

**nunes** · 08-19-2008, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziquor

Awesome Nunes, you know I'm in bro. Var should ROCK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trauma1

I'm here to support you brother nunes!

Good luck buddy!

great to have you guys supporting this cycle, talk about gurus...

bros I would really appreciate your "guru"opinion on my doubts :
-phera or masstabs?
-creatine while on or keep it for pct?
-and by the way , formestane with or without food?

By the way this is gonna be a mini log, I will only do weekly updates and with final blood work, I don't want to bother you guys