AndroSeries v3 - The Past, The Present and the Future

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  1. results sound amazing.... but in all reality the very same compounds or ones comparable (converting to DHT ph's and bulk powders of 7oh, 11oxo abound) are found everywhere for MUCH cheaper just without the delivery method....

    I can MEGA DOSE 4-AD right now from AMS and easily do so beyond that which the liquivade system can do for a third the cost of 1bottle of andromass....


    I for one am VERY excited to see the new versions released.... something tells me all excitement will be dashed as it was with V1 when I saw that price point first mentioned in inside circles.... and keep me from ever trying it as it did with the v1-2 products

    PALEASE lower the cost SOME.... and making the doses effective should be out of necessity to release a better/effective product, not to justify a rate hike.


  2. Well we also have to keep in mind the androseries at that time was brand spanking new and the intro prices helped offset some of the startup costs.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    If they are 50-100% stronger, what do you think is fair?
    Honestly since you asked, if you can still hit your margins and keep the price the same that would be a great service to your customers, If you cant , you cant . I have no idea what it might cost to manufacture tis stuff, and market it etc . But what I do know is right now its a bit pricey but with these improvements it seems it would be well worth paying what it costs now,I dont know thats my 2 cents.

    also if you are still here is there any info on what compound is in androbulk?
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  4. Andro series is indeed the most tempting thing to try for a natural bb..
    I've always thought *if* I'll ever try phs, one of the andro would be the one.

    Quick question out of curiosity, I've seen AndroLean to be described the best for cutting,
    but that doesn't really help with gains (lean or not),
    for someone like me at 5% BF what would be fair to expect from a cycle of AndroHard in terms of lean gains?
    If gains would've to be expected, how wet AH is?
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    I could get behind this idea. Not sure if many people would or could purchase them if the cost increased.
    I would not purchase if cost increased. No offense, I mean I would really love to try them but I work hard for my money and I can't afford to be dropping several hundreds of dollars on a couple of of bottles when I could buy a couple weeks of groceries for that. I would find some way to get my grubby hands on them though I could maybe trade? Stupid student loans
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    results sound amazing.... but in all reality the very same compounds or ones comparable (converting to DHT ph's and bulk powders of 7oh, 11oxo abound) are found everywhere for MUCH cheaper just without the delivery method....

    I can MEGA DOSE 4-AD right now from AMS and easily do so beyond that which the liquivade system can do for a third the cost of 1bottle of andromass....


    I for one am VERY excited to see the new versions released.... something tells me all excitement will be dashed as it was with V1 when I saw that price point first mentioned in inside circles.... and keep me from ever trying it as it did with the v1-2 products

    PALEASE lower the cost SOME.... and making the doses effective should be out of necessity to release a better/effective product, not to justify a rate hike.
    The raws on the products alone cost more than what AMS charges. It's not that we're jacking up the price; it's just expensive to manufacture.

    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    I would not purchase if cost increased. No offense, I mean I would really love to try them but I work hard for my money and I can't afford to be dropping several hundreds of dollars on a couple of of bottles when I could buy a couple weeks of groceries for that. I would find some way to get my grubby hands on them though I could maybe trade? Stupid student loans
    I feel you on the student loans. I'm absolutely hoping that I get a TA position while I'm pursuing my Doctorate so I can not only get paid while studying, but it also pays 75% of tuition.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    The raws on the products alone cost more than what AMS charges. It's not that we're jacking up the price; it's just expensive to manufacture.



    I feel you on the student loans. I'm absolutely hoping that I get a TA position while I'm pursuing my Doctorate so I can not only get paid while studying, but it also pays 75% of tuition.
    TA positions are always a good gig, are you guys going to do a payment option/pre release of androbulk?
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    TA positions are always a good gig, are you guys going to do a payment option/pre release of androbulk?
    I would assume so.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I would assume so.
    maybe i can swing that then
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  10. Stuff looks GREAT, but price tag is going to make or break it for me. I cannot convince myself to spend an A$$ load on a bottle of pills when I could just jump the fence and get solid gear for less.

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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post

    I can MEGA DOSE 4-AD right now from AMS and easily do so beyond that which the liquivade system can do for a third the cost of 1bottle of andromass....
    You would need a serious amount of their 4-AD product to equal the same amount in ours, in fact it would cost you more


  12. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    You would need a serious amount of their 4-AD product to equal the same amount in ours, in fact it would cost you more
    Would be cool to see a comparison for some visual stimulation : 0 : 0 : 0
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  13. well I know what the label says... maybe its off, maybe its the combo of the 1-DHEA 4-DHEA.... but I have it from a solid and reputable unbiased member who has run both...

    Double dose of AMS 4-AD(160mg daily cyclodextrin not included) was stronger/As strong as 10caps AM(supposedly 500mg liquivade)....

    Now Im not hating here but the fact is this price point PP has set it absurd.... and its proven by their own willingness to throw out 40% discounts left and right... they are still making a notable profit at that price.

    The fact is the price point is set and the claims are made cause some people WILL PAY for those claimed results..... just not everyone.

    I think PP has the ability to DROP the price on this next set of products and should do so if they want to get back a large portion of their consumer base... the jump from $60 bucks(still high in comparison to other stuff on the market) for 1-t Tren to $200! for Andromass was a move that alienated a large amount of customers and regardless of the increased profit margins I promise Eric lost potential money with this move.

    I am one of the most interested persons in this new line up... I will not make a purchase though unless the price is right, and I CAN get this stuff elsewhere for cheaper(cheapest AM available,$99 only if you buy 2.. otherwise $129w/shipping with 40%.... $99 gets me at least 3 bottles of AMS 4-AD, $129 easily 4 but prob 5, do the math) Why choose PP?

    Again Im not bashing here... I love PP and respect its reps deeply(pm me, no homo, lol) but the price point is something i havent agreed on since it was first made mention of in inner circles...

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    well I know what the label says... maybe its off, maybe its the combo of the 1-DHEA 4-DHEA.... but I have it from a solid and reputable unbiased member who has run both...

    Double dose of AMS 4-AD(160mg daily cyclodextrin not included) was stronger/As strong as 10caps AM(supposedly 500mg liquivade)....

    Now Im not hating here but the fact is this price point PP has set it absurd.... and its proven by their own willingness to throw out 40% discounts left and right... they are still making a notable profit at that price.

    The fact is the price point is set and the claims are made cause some people WILL PAY for those claimed results..... just not everyone.

    I think PP has the ability to DROP the price on this next set of products and should do so if they want to get back a large portion of their consumer base... the jump from $60 bucks(still high in comparison to other stuff on the market) for 1-t Tren to $200! for Andromass was a move that alienated a large amount of customers and regardless of the increased profit margins I promise Eric lost potential money with this move.

    I am one of the most interested persons in this new line up... I will not make a purchase though unless the price is right, and I CAN get this stuff elsewhere for cheaper(cheapest AM available,$99 only if you buy 2.. otherwise $129w/shipping with 40%.... $99 gets me at least 3 bottles of AMS 4-AD, $129 easily 4 but prob 5, do the math) Why choose PP?

    Again Im not bashing here... I love PP and respect its reps deeply(pm me, no homo, lol) but the price point is something i havent agreed on since it was first made mention of in inner circles...
    It's a slightly different comparison. The ams products are basically sublingual to improve bioavailability. But most people are pretty clueless about sublingual products and just swallow them whole.
    The pp products have enanthate esters attached, which likely drastically increases oral bioavailability so you don't have to mess with sublingual delivery. But it is also expensive to synthesize.

    We estimate about 68% bioavailability with the sublingual tabs to the target hormone. Thankfully the ester isn't needed for effective sublingual delivery so it brings the cost way down.

    What's surprising is that more people don't stack these as they have fairly different kinetic properties and would likely improve results. At the same time it would reduce the average cost of an androseries cycle.
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  15. I agree....

    but the point still stands that the starting price should without a doubt still be 40% cheaper then it is....

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    I agree....

    but the point still stands that the starting price should without a doubt still be 40% cheaper then it is....
    You have no idea what the raws for this cost. The raws alone for AM are over $50 and that's just for the hormones and doesn't include the LV, encapsulation, bottling, transportation, etc.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    You have no idea what the raws for this cost. The raws alone for AM are over $50 and that's just for the hormones and doesn't include the LV, encapsulation, bottling, transportation, etc.
    Speaking of transportation how are these shipped? I imagine a skid of Andromass sitting in a hot trailer is not the best way to transport sensitive hormones. Just interested because I work in transportation.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Speaking of transportation how are these shipped? I imagine a skid of Andromass sitting in a hot trailer is not the best way to transport sensitive hormones. Just interested because I work in transportation.
    Give me a little time. I'll relay this to Eric and get back to you.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    You have no idea what the raws for this cost. The raws alone for AM are over $50 and that's just for the hormones and doesn't include the LV, encapsulation, bottling, transportation, etc.
    heh... actually i DO.....

    I know a LOT more then you think i do.

    Either way im not trying to get in a pissing match with any reps Rodja. Im allowed to state my opinion on the price and state the FACTS. As a consumer i feel this entire line of products is absurdly over priced. even for the cost of raws and manufacturing... which i DO know the approx cost of cause I know for the same reason YOU know.

    I asked anyways for reps to PM me... then maybe youll have a better understanding bro...

    either way lets not start getting heated here. Im not attacking PP or its reps. I just have issues with erics decision to over inflate the profit margin, alienating customers and honestly costing himself more business.

  20. im sure even YOU reps would agree it would be nicer to have a lower price point.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    heh... actually i DO.....

    I know a LOT more then you think i do.

    Either way im not trying to get in a pissing match with any reps Rodja. Im allowed to state my opinion on the price and state the FACTS. As a consumer i feel this entire line of products is absurdly over priced. even for the cost of raws and manufacturing... which i DO know the approx cost of cause I know for the same reason YOU know.

    I asked anyways for reps to PM me... then maybe youll have a better understanding bro...

    either way lets not start getting heated here. Im not attacking PP or its reps. I just have issues with erics decision to over inflate the profit margin, alienating customers and honestly costing himself more business.
    Which facts have you stated outside of the MSRP? The profit margin is not inflated on any of the AndroSeries as the MSRP is always going to be higher than the retail price you can find at distributors (even though AM is currently and has been at wholesale prices for over a month). Since the launch, there has always been some form of discount available for the entire lineup ranging from 20%-40% and that has still not changed. You are clearly entitled to your opinion over the costs as everyone is, but to say we're overly inflating our profit margins is an attack on PP.
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  22. Isn't the phrase "overly inflating" an opinionated statement also?

    Do we know what the price is going to be?
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    Isn't the phrase "overly inflating" an opinionated statement also?

    Do we know what the price is going to be?
    It could be construed that way. Price is still being debated on v3.
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  24. If I was PP I would sell it expensive too if people kept buying it....obviously people are so why drop the price? Business is business. Doesn't mean consumers have to purchase. In the end people will decide if it is worth the money.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    If I was PP I would sell it expensive too if people kept buying it....obviously people are so why drop the price? Business is business. Doesn't mean consumers have to purchase. In the end people will decide if it is worth the money.
    i think this is the reason they do it... cause they can and people pay for it considering their solid marketing of the product....

    Still doesnt change the fact that if the price point were lower to begin with (no silly discounts only acheiveable by.... EVERYONE...) that they would reclaim a large portion of the market that they left behind when they announced the V1 AndroSeries.

    Im trying to make the point that if they are to even partially drop the price from where it stands NOW they would net an increase with MORE sales then before with higher prices.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Which facts have you stated outside of the MSRP? The profit margin is not inflated on any of the AndroSeries as the MSRP is always going to be higher than the retail price you can find at distributors (even though AM is currently and has been at wholesale prices for over a month). Since the launch, there has always been some form of discount available for the entire lineup ranging from 20%-40% and that has still not changed. You are clearly entitled to your opinion over the costs as everyone is, but to say we're overly inflating our profit margins is an attack on PP.
    based on the consumers standpoint MSRP and Retail prices are exactly what matters and all the facts needed in my argument (the other fact stated is that the product is essentially over priced and can easily be lowered and still have a considerable profit margin).

    I know since the launch there has been these discounts.... thats just my point! Matt was even giving me 50% discount offers up front since the start, it still wasnt economical Imo to take that! With this being the case why have the price so high at all? why alienate a large portion of the market not on the boards who will just look at the price, scoff, and a few clicks later spend their monies elsewhere on comparable products?

    Its just an unwise move that has made PP's products unobtainable for 9/10 consumers.

  27. I like this guys mentality
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  28. LOL thats amazing.

  29. If the product works better than v2 then I understand charging more, but if its just same story, new bottle then charging more is a crime...
    PP has solid products and I'm willing to bet its gonna be good stuff... Besides a cycle of test e/c+AI+support supps runs me $400-600...if V3 doesn't require AI or supports and is $200-300 and works half as good as test, then its worth half the cost of a real cycle...
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by BigRigg View Post
    50%-100% cheaper
    JK probably 25%-50% more
    Are you suggesting that he up the price 25%-50% more?
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