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    Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    heh... actually i DO.....

    I know a LOT more then you think i do.

    Either way im not trying to get in a pissing match with any reps Rodja. Im allowed to state my opinion on the price and state the FACTS. As a consumer i feel this entire line of products is absurdly over priced. even for the cost of raws and manufacturing... which i DO know the approx cost of cause I know for the same reason YOU know.

    I asked anyways for reps to PM me... then maybe youll have a better understanding bro...

    either way lets not start getting heated here. Im not attacking PP or its reps. I just have issues with erics decision to over inflate the profit margin, alienating customers and honestly costing himself more business.
    Which facts have you stated outside of the MSRP? The profit margin is not inflated on any of the AndroSeries as the MSRP is always going to be higher than the retail price you can find at distributors (even though AM is currently and has been at wholesale prices for over a month). Since the launch, there has always been some form of discount available for the entire lineup ranging from 20%-40% and that has still not changed. You are clearly entitled to your opinion over the costs as everyone is, but to say we're overly inflating our profit margins is an attack on PP.
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    Isn't the phrase "overly inflating" an opinionated statement also?

    Do we know what the price is going to be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    Isn't the phrase "overly inflating" an opinionated statement also?

    Do we know what the price is going to be?
    It could be construed that way. Price is still being debated on v3.
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    If I was PP I would sell it expensive too if people kept buying it....obviously people are so why drop the price? Business is business. Doesn't mean consumers have to purchase. In the end people will decide if it is worth the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    If I was PP I would sell it expensive too if people kept buying it....obviously people are so why drop the price? Business is business. Doesn't mean consumers have to purchase. In the end people will decide if it is worth the money.
    i think this is the reason they do it... cause they can and people pay for it considering their solid marketing of the product....

    Still doesnt change the fact that if the price point were lower to begin with (no silly discounts only acheiveable by.... EVERYONE...) that they would reclaim a large portion of the market that they left behind when they announced the V1 AndroSeries.

    Im trying to make the point that if they are to even partially drop the price from where it stands NOW they would net an increase with MORE sales then before with higher prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Which facts have you stated outside of the MSRP? The profit margin is not inflated on any of the AndroSeries as the MSRP is always going to be higher than the retail price you can find at distributors (even though AM is currently and has been at wholesale prices for over a month). Since the launch, there has always been some form of discount available for the entire lineup ranging from 20%-40% and that has still not changed. You are clearly entitled to your opinion over the costs as everyone is, but to say we're overly inflating our profit margins is an attack on PP.
    based on the consumers standpoint MSRP and Retail prices are exactly what matters and all the facts needed in my argument (the other fact stated is that the product is essentially over priced and can easily be lowered and still have a considerable profit margin).

    I know since the launch there has been these discounts.... thats just my point! Matt was even giving me 50% discount offers up front since the start, it still wasnt economical Imo to take that! With this being the case why have the price so high at all? why alienate a large portion of the market not on the boards who will just look at the price, scoff, and a few clicks later spend their monies elsewhere on comparable products?

    Its just an unwise move that has made PP's products unobtainable for 9/10 consumers.
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    If the product works better than v2 then I understand charging more, but if its just same story, new bottle then charging more is a crime...
    PP has solid products and I'm willing to bet its gonna be good stuff... Besides a cycle of test e/c+AI+support supps runs me $400-600...if V3 doesn't require AI or supports and is $200-300 and works half as good as test, then its worth half the cost of a real cycle...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRigg View Post
    50%-100% cheaper
    JK probably 25%-50% more
    Are you suggesting that he up the price 25%-50% more?
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    Eric, when do you anticipate the hammer coming down from the "you know who" or if their hands truly are tied then I wonder how long before some freaking genius we elected gets enough of his colleagues to create a bill that bans dhea and it's derivatives.....and anything else that looks or smells "hormonal"?

    Because here is the problem, your stuff works. I am giving you $100 instead of Abbott $300 for their Androgel. How long until Abbotts lobbyists get a hold of legislatures and convince them that your products are evil and we need to protect "our teens" from them.

    And last question, what if anything are you doing or can you do to prevent teens from getting a hold of your Androseries products?

    I honestly want the stuff to stick around for my own selfish reasons!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pillsRgood View Post
    If the product works better than v2 then I understand charging more, but if its just same story, new bottle then charging more is a crime...
    PP has solid products and I'm willing to bet its gonna be good stuff... Besides a cycle of test e/c+AI+support supps runs me $400-600...if V3 doesn't require AI or supports and is $200-300 and works half as good as test, then its worth half the cost of a real cycle...
    Time and all the testing guinea pigs will show me all I need to know!
    Thank you for stating that. Guys that spew the test price comments must have never priced out a test cycle. Kicker+test+AI+supports+syring es+pins+PCT+(The have on hand category of supps) you can easily hit that upper price range very easily, and that is also with the legal risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Thank you for stating that. Guys that spew the test price comments must have never priced out a test cycle. Kicker+test+AI+supports+syring es+pins+PCT+(The have on hand category of supps) you can easily hit that upper price range very easily, and that is also with the legal risk.
    I would have minimal concern about the legality of it.....seems easy as pie to get. I have been offered several cycles on forums by reputable members I could have gotten for less than 200. just saying legality shouldnt be too big of a worry.

    I am more worried about sticking myself I dunno if i could do it haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green
    Are you suggesting that he up the price 25%-50% more?
    That's what he was insinuating, that it should cost more...

    Honesty I think that of they lowered the price they would make more profit because even though the profit margin would be lower, the additional volume of sales from the products being more affordable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRigg View Post
    That's what he was insinuating, that it should cost more...

    Honesty I think that of they lowered the price they would make more profit because even though the profit margin would be lower, the additional volume of sales from the products being more affordable.
    You're right! A lot more people will buy the product and spread consumer positive feedback, therefore PP will have more money to buy a higher volume of raws at a cheaper price and eventually they will reach the target profit numbers, hopefully sooner than later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    You're right! A lot more people will buy the product and spread consumer positive feedback, therefore PP will have more money to buy a higher volume of raws at a cheaper price and eventually they will reach the target profit numbers, hopefully sooner than later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    I would have minimal concern about the legality of it.....seems easy as pie to get. I have been offered several cycles on forums by reputable members I could have gotten for less than 200. just saying legality shouldnt be too big of a worry.

    I am more worried about sticking myself I dunno if i could do it haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Speaking of transportation how are these shipped? I imagine a skid of Andromass sitting in a hot trailer is not the best way to transport sensitive hormones. Just interested because I work in transportation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Just got word: the softgels are more fragile than the hormones, which makes sense when you think about it. They are enanthate esters and are commonly baked or cooked on a stovetop.
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    Can androdrive be used for focus/studying aspects without the need to cycle? As in purely for neuro effects nothing gym related
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcalvert86 View Post
    Can androdrive be used for focus/studying aspects without the need to cycle? As in purely for neuro effects nothing gym related
    It doesn't hace acute effects. It takes about 5 days or so for it to really "kick in."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    It doesn't hace acute effects. It takes about 5 days or so for it to really "kick in."
    So can it be used 16 weeks straight then take a 4 week break?

    Or is it simply something to throw into a cycle with AM etc as a means to combat lethargy
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcalvert86

    So can it be used 16 weeks straight then take a 4 week break?

    Or is it simply something to throw into a cycle with AM etc as a means to combat lethargy
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Huh?
    It's not an acute effect type product like a pre-workout or something like focus xt... so if it takes 5-7 days to start seeing the effects (increased focus, mental awareness etc) I'm asking if it's a product I can use 5 days a week for a full college semester or if it's more suited to simply combatting lethargy on cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcalvert86 View Post
    It's not an acute effect type product like a pre-workout or something like focus xt... so if it takes 5-7 days to start seeing the effects (increased focus, mental awareness etc) I'm asking if it's a product I can use 5 days a week for a full college semester or if it's more suited to simply combatting lethargy on cycle
    It's somewhere more in the middle. The effects start to wear off ~6 weeks after usage and you would still need to follow hormonal guidelines on breaks, PCT, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    It's somewhere more in the middle. The effects start to wear off ~6 weeks after usage and you would still need to follow hormonal guidelines on breaks, PCT, etc.
    So would you recommend it only if I'm doing another cycle requiring pct (androbulk maybe).. If it requires PCT i'd probably be hesitant to use it for so long with sporadic workouts during that time.

    * so busy with school and work that i'm basically just cruising and maintaining til next May
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcalvert86 View Post
    So would you recommend it only if I'm doing another cycle requiring pct (androbulk maybe).. If it requires PCT i'd probably be hesitant to use it for so long with sporadic workouts during that time.

    * so busy with school and work that i'm basically just cruising and maintaining til next May
    Not necessarily. It could be used for improved mood and recovery in addition to the cognitive effects, which will itself help with studying and maintaining progress in the gym. If you are running a longe cycle, then you can implement this whenever you will have heavy testing periods (mid-terms, finals, etc.) for several weeks and then cycle off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Not necessarily. It could be used for improved mood and recovery in addition to the cognitive effects, which will itself help with studying and maintaining progress in the gym. If you are running a longe cycle, then you can implement this whenever you will have heavy testing periods (mid-terms, finals, etc.) for several weeks and then cycle off.
    Ok thank you for the clarification and suggestion
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcalvert86 View Post
    Ok thank you for the clarification and suggestion
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    Quote Originally Posted by T50 View Post
    I could literally run a 12+ week cycle with kickstart and everything needed for roughly $170. And bro, injecting is so easy lol. Man up!!
    Let me get this straight:

    You can get (lets say) test e enough for 12 weeks (usually will require at least 3 10ml vials)
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    Enough syringes for 12 weeks
    Enough pins for 12 weeks (x2 assuming you change pins after draw)
    Slin pins for the hcg
    Optional: on cycle support supplements

    all for 170? You must have one hell of a connection.

    Please don't take this as me being anti-test, as I can assure you this is not the case, but I think your pricepoint seems a bit low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy

    Let me get this straight:

    You can get (lets say) test e enough for 12 weeks (usually will require at least 3 10ml vials)
    An AI for 12 weeks
    hcg (which you should be using)
    At least 4 weeks worth of a kicker
    A liver protectant supplement/pharmaceutical
    Enough syringes for 12 weeks
    Enough pins for 12 weeks (x2 assuming you change pins after draw)
    Slin pins for the hcg
    Optional: on cycle support supplements

    all for 170? You must have one hell of a connection.

    Please don't take this as me being anti-test, as I can assure you this is not the case, but I think your pricepoint seems a bit low.
    Maybe if your doc is writing you all the scripts for this then it's this cheap but yea usually real gear from online shady sources don't even get this cheap...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Let me get this straight:

    You can get (lets say) test e enough for 12 weeks (usually will require at least 3 10ml vials)
    An AI for 12 weeks
    hcg (which you should be using)
    At least 4 weeks worth of a kicker
    A liver protectant supplement/pharmaceutical
    Enough syringes for 12 weeks
    Enough pins for 12 weeks (x2 assuming you change pins after draw)
    Slin pins for the hcg
    Optional: on cycle support supplements

    all for 170? You must have one hell of a connection.

    Please don't take this as me being anti-test, as I can assure you this is not the case, but I think your pricepoint seems a bit low.
    If it's an online purchase, you usually have ~$30 shipping and then a money order fee as well.
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