iForce Nutrition - ECDY Is here!

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  1. Got two


  2. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I do believe more than 75mg may work better for some people, I just believe that everyone should try the 75mg and see the results. You can definitely dose the heck out of this stuff if you'd like(side effect free is always nice), but why waste $?
    From what ive read it can have the same side effects as steroids, just not as harsh. This looks like an interesting product. But is it really side effect free? Ive bolded the parts in an extract below that refer to sides etc. I'm not trying to have a go at the product...i just want to get my facts straight. The article also talked about positive benefits of 20-Hydroxyecdysone.

    When first isolated, there was little interest from the commercial sector due to the lack of a cost-effective way to extract or synthesize the chemical. However, recent breakthroughs have meant that it can now be isolated cost-effectively.[citation needed] This has led to experimentation with its use as an anabolic steroid in sport and bodybuilding.

    Despite lacking FDA approval, it has proven to be moderately successful as a commercial product in the countries in which it is produced,[citation needed] likely due to its efficacy in promoting muscle growth and fat loss, and lower frequency of side-effects usually associated with anabolic steroids. Such side effects are still fairly common, however, as a result of increased testosterone and DHT production, and include androgenic changes in females such as growth of facial and body hair and deepening of the voice, as well as gastrointestinal problems for both sexes, such as nausea, bloating, and diarrhoea.[citation needed]

    Clinical studies by ICN Pharmaceuticals demonstrated that the results are further improved when the drug is combined with a high-protein diet, to the point of equaling or even surpassing the beneficial effects of conventionally derived steroids such as Dianabol [3][4]. The same studies showed the effective dose for a human to be around 5 mg per kg of body mass, daily. The compound becomes toxic only at doses of 6400 mg per kg of body mass per day.[citation needed]
    In addition to its potential use as an anabolic growth hormone, 20-hydroxyecdysone has proven to cause moderate increases in testosterone production in males.[citation needed] This has led to speculation and a small number of partially successful trials in testing its use in improving overall sexual function.[citation needed]

    There is also some evidence to show that 20-hydroxyecdysone has effects on some kinds of blood cells such as lymphocytes and neutrophils, and may act as an immunomodulator [5].

    An academic review published in 2003 concluded that "The impressive development of preparations containing ecdysteroids suggests that this class of molecule has indeed at least some of the claimed effects. The scientific justification for such commercial developments relies, however, on just a few references (ca. 10), often with the same ones being cited to support quite different effects".[6]

    Clearly, more research is needed to determine the significance of the effects of 20-hydroxyecdysone in mammals and how they affect the safety profile of 20-hydroxyecdysone when it is taken as a dietary supplement by humans. 20-hydroxyecdysone is still considered a steroid "hormone" and may cause side effects that normal steroids produce.
    http ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20-Hydroxyecdysone
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  3. What kind of results can we expect from 75 mg/day? Surely we cannot expect D-bol like muscle gains as hinted at in the opening post...

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Docmattic View Post
    From what ive read it can have the same side effects as steroids, just not as harsh. This looks like an interesting product. But is it really side effect free? Ive bolded the parts in an extract below that refer to sides etc. I'm not trying to have a go at the product...i just want to get my facts straight. The article also talked about positive benefits of 20-Hydroxyecdysone.



    http ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20-Hydroxyecdysone
    Complete BS... I don't know where wiki got that idea from. I remember when wiki change all the facts about ecdy I was like where the fcuk did they come up with this.


  5. Quote Originally Posted by Docmattic View Post
    From what ive read it can have the same side effects as steroids, just not as harsh. This looks like an interesting product. But is it really side effect free? Ive bolded the parts in an extract below that refer to sides etc. I'm not trying to have a go at the product...i just want to get my facts straight. The article also talked about positive benefits of 20-Hydroxyecdysone.
    http ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20-Hydroxyecdysone
    Ecdysterone does not effect testosterone, dht, or any other known hormones(unless you count cholesterol). There are no known legit sides from ecdysterone.
    Quote Originally Posted by swan1209 View Post
    What kind of results can we expect from 75 mg/day? Surely we cannot expect D-bol like muscle gains as hinted at in the opening post...
    Never intended to claim this will give overall gains as well as dbol does. Simply showed that it is able to promote similar levels of overall anabolism.


    Nothing natural can compete with AAS
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Ecdysterone does not effect testosterone, dht, or any other known hormones(unless you count cholesterol). There are no known legit sides from ecdysterone.


    Never intended to claim this will give overall gains as well as dbol does. Simply showed that it is able to promote similar levels of overall anabolism.


    Nothing natural can compete with AAS
    Then restate the write-up because it reads exactly as noted to the normal consumer.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by jcalvert86 View Post
    Then restate the write-up because it reads exactly as noted to the normal consumer.
    My friend, you do know wiki is not the say all when it comes to facts, right? I believe anyone with a membership can edit wiki. I know I was able to once before go to pubmed for facts


  8. this looks sweet

  9. Quote Originally Posted by swan1209 View Post
    What kind of results can we expect from 75 mg/day? Surely we cannot expect D-bol like muscle gains as hinted at in the opening post...
    No, you're right. This will not bloat you or shut you down, lol. Only ecdymorph I've used was the little bit in testabolanv2 and enjoyed it ever so much. Can't wait to get my hands on the ten bottles i ordered up, lol


  10. 10 bottles? you gonna run that straight thru?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    10 bottles? you gonna run that straight thru?
    Yes, want to make this a staple. However, I've committed myself to a few logs so I'll have to wait till they are done to start.


  12. I picked up two bottles myself. Im hopin Iforce will have this back before i run out of the two bottles so i can just keep running it and see where it takes me.
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  13. Hmm ill hold off on this and see how this treats some of you guys long term.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    My friend, you do know wiki is not the say all when it comes to facts, right? I believe anyone with a membership can edit wiki. I know I was able to once before go to pubmed for facts

    Referring to the iforce write-up and how it references dbol several times and basically says ecdy is more anabolic ie gains etc.

  15. so many threads on this lol. i only got 2, didnt think it was gonna go OOS so soon. if its gonna be a while before more is available i might start low. but my original plan was 6 a day for myself, as this would still be below the price range of e-bol... but if i like it i dont wanna not have it lol
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  16. Please reread the text. It explained the clinical study performed, and used exact verbage from that study.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by jcalvert86 View Post
    Referring to the iforce write-up and how it references dbol several times and basically says ecdy is more anabolic ie gains etc.
    Gotcha, I didn't even read the I force write up, lol Sorry - my bad!


  18. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Please reread the text. It explained the clinical study performed, and used exact verbage from that study.

    Understandable, but most of your consumers being the average person will see dbol and then you're going to see all the guys on BB.com etc posting about how their gains werent the same.

    I for one may include ECDY in pct after andromass/hard.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by jcalvert86 View Post
    Understandable, but most of your consumers being the average person will see dbol and then you're going to see all the guys on BB.com etc posting about how their gains werent the same.

    I for one may include ECDY in pct after andromass/hard.
    Probably would be a very good idea. Seem like a quality product.
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  20. took 75mg pre workout today with my creatine nitrate. feels good
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    took 75mg pre workout today with my creatine nitrate. feels good
    the journey has began! My ten bottles are on the back of fed ex truck...


  22. Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    the journey has began! My ten bottles are on the back of fed ex truck...
    Im kind of jealous... that is a lot of goodness. I wish i could return the 500g of phenibut i just bought and trade it for more ecdy. Ecdy is basically gold. Im still not convinced that the 99% is better than the 95% but over the next period of time i should figure out for sure. May make a believer out of me... or iforce could also make a 95% version and dose it real high since its so much cheaper but thats probably a stretch. But hey, they are the first to make a single ingredient, high quality ecdy product and for that im thankful!!
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Ecdysterone does not effect testosterone, dht, or any other known hormones(unless you count cholesterol). There are no known legit sides from ecdysterone.


    Never intended to claim this will give overall gains as well as dbol does. Simply showed that it is able to promote similar levels of overall anabolism.


    Nothing natural can compete with AAS
    Understood, but what can we expect? Is this going to put my protein synthesis into overdrive?
    I'm gaining about .75 pounds a week (averaged over 8 weeks) on my current diet. I shoot for 180 grams of protein/day which is enough for 165lb lean body mass no? Diet is right around a 300 kcal surplus as is and I try to add about 100 calories per day at week intervals. So 3100 per day this week, 3200 next week ect. Probably won't go much beyond 4-5k. But would it be reasonable to expect 1.00- 1.25 lbs a week on the ecdy?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    Im kind of jealous... that is a lot of goodness. I wish i could return the 500g of phenibut i just bought and trade it for more ecdy. Ecdy is basically gold. Im still not convinced that the 99% is better than the 95% but over the next period of time i should figure out for sure. May make a believer out of me... or iforce could also make a 95% version and dose it real high since its so much cheaper but thats probably a stretch. But hey, they are the first to make a single ingredient, high quality ecdy product and for that im thankful!!
    99% purity might make the Russianstar protocol easier to use

  25. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Ecdysterone does not effect testosterone, dht, or any other known hormones(unless you count cholesterol). There are no known legit sides from ecdysterone.


    Never intended to claim this will give overall gains as well as dbol does. Simply showed that it is able to promote similar levels of overall anabolism.


    Nothing natural can compete with AAS
    Also, I believe it can, I just don't believe a more pure extract is going to do the trick. But we shall see
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