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    Quote Originally Posted by japohl1 View Post
    Just got an email from PP, you guys are really hooking us up that have been waiting for our Mass! Guess ill have to go get another Hard and Lean!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rulk22 View Post
    I recieved the same email. Very generous and thougthfull of Primordial Performance.
    You E-Mailed yourself, that's weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japohl1 View Post
    Just got an email from PP, you guys are really hooking us up that have been waiting for our Mass! Guess ill have to go get another Hard and Lean!
    Can make quite the cycle now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Can make quite the cycle now...
    No kidding! Can you only add one item to it or can it be multiple?
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    It's only on one item, unfortunately.
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    I bet this is a bitch to mass produce.

    ...

    Also for curiosity sake I was considering running a 6 week AM-AH stack followed by a 4 week AL... I guess that counts as being "on cycle" for 10 weeks.

    I believe AL will have the least suppression, but could I go as far as to start PCT immediately after ending the first 6 weeks of AM-AH?

    I may be off my rocker... I've only run 1 cycle to date, so please excuse my naivety.

    I'm trying to do all the research now before I make a decision on how best to put something like this together in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anabolicRyan1 View Post
    I bet this is a bitch to mass produce.

    ...

    Also for curiosity sake I was considering running a 6 week AM-AH stack followed by a 4 week AL... I guess that counts as being "on cycle" for 10 weeks.

    I believe AL will have the least suppression, but could I go as far as to start PCT immediately after ending the first 6 weeks of AM-AH?

    I may be off my rocker... I've only run 1 cycle to date, so please excuse my naivety.

    I'm trying to do all the research now before I make a decision on how best to put something like this together in the future.
    Can't run AL in PCT it is suppressive.

    You need to evaluate your goals and not rely on supplements/hormones to dictate them. Why the AndroLean after the 6 week run?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Can't run AL in PCT it is suppressive.

    You need to evaluate your goals and not rely on supplements/hormones to dictate them. Why the AndroLean after the 6 week run?
    Also you dont want to cut at the end of a bulk, you will risk some of your gains
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    Quote Originally Posted by rulk22 View Post
    Not only am I a rep, but im a customer too

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    That's a pretty good incentive, especially if your gonna be on the internet talking about it anyway. Might as well get free supps out of the deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lankeyguy15 View Post
    Im new on here and have done the Research for H-Drol, meaning I know and already have the SERM on hand. Would any of these compare or be better for a first time PH'er or should H-drol be the only one I look at for first time?
    I would start out with something tried and true, H-drol for sure over something that has never been tried before (Androseries).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    It's only on one item, unfortunately.
    So if I have 2 seperate oreders im waiting on (purchased at seperate times) I can add 1 item to each?
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    Quote Originally Posted by japohl1 View Post
    So if I have 2 seperate oreders im waiting on (purchased at seperate times) I can add 1 item to each?
    Good question... id ask customer support to figure that one out bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rulk22 View Post
    Good question... id ask customer support to figure that one out bro.
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    Why no ship to Canada?
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    I was just wondering about this. Approximately how much weight (lbm) would someone expect to gain off of an 8 week cycle of Andromass? Or better yet a stack of Mass and Hard for 8 weeks? Now I'm not talking about someone who has never run a ph or AAS before but someone who has ran something like superdrol and who isn't fresh off of a cycle. Now I'm not asking for myself personally. I already have my phs set for my next contest prep. (diet starts next friday)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diezzil View Post
    I was just wondering about this. Approximately how much weight (lbm) would someone expect to gain off of an 8 week cycle of Andromass? Or better yet a stack of Mass and Hard for 8 weeks? Now I'm not talking about someone who has never run a ph or AAS before but someone who has ran something like superdrol and who isn't fresh off of a cycle. Now I'm not asking for myself personally. I already have my phs set for my next contest prep. (diet starts next friday)
    With all those variables thrown in and the person is consistant with diet and intense workouts, id say 10 to 15lbs would be very realistic and with the cycle being 8 weeks, the gains are goin to remain much more likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Can't run AL in PCT it is suppressive.

    You need to evaluate your goals and not rely on supplements/hormones to dictate them. Why the AndroLean after the 6 week run?

    While I appreciate your response... I'm a bit confused...

    I acknowledged AL is surpressive. I'm just a particularly good responder to natural test boosters... That being said I felt it would be a good question or idea to explore, being able to jump start your natural test toward the end of a cycle and not waiting till full on PCT time.

    I'm also pretty decisive with my goals. If you are suggesting doing it in 2 cycles with a gap, however appropriate in between. I understand that. From my personal experience and friends of mine who are very knowledgeable on this topic, bulking then cutting is much more effective they trying to do both at once.

    I'm curious how long you, or anybody usually waits to shift from bulking to cutting?
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    I may be interpreting what you said incorrectly, but AL after the cycle of AM would not "jump start your natural test production." It would in fact suppress it further. It is not a natural test booster and is a prohormone, although the least suppressive of the series. I see that you acknowledge that it is suppressive so that's why I'm thinking I may just have misunderstood your post.

    Quote Originally Posted by anabolicRyan1 View Post
    While I appreciate your response... I'm a bit confused...

    I acknowledged AL is surpressive. I'm just a particularly good responder to natural test boosters... That being said I felt it would be a good question or idea to explore, being able to jump start your natural test toward the end of a cycle and not waiting till full on PCT time.

    I'm also pretty decisive with my goals. If you are suggesting doing it in 2 cycles with a gap, however appropriate in between. I understand that. From my personal experience and friends of mine who are very knowledgeable on this topic, bulking then cutting is much more effective they trying to do both at once.

    I'm curious how long you, or anybody usually waits to shift from bulking to cutting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rulk22 View Post
    With all those variables thrown in and the person is consistant with diet and intense workouts, id say 10 to 15lbs would be very realistic and with the cycle being 8 weeks, the gains are goin to remain much more likely.
    Ok another question (since you seem to have a confident understanding of how someone would react to these compounds), could someone run the andromass as a "test base." What I mean to say is, (although obviously this is not advised) can an individual run a cycle like this for 12-16 weeks as if they were using it as a substitute for test E itself? I understand that 1 AD and 4AD do work as active metabolites, but theoretically if they are meant to convert to the target hormones 1-testosterone and testosterone couldn't an individual just run this for 12+ weeks as a hormonal base? Obviously this would be a very suppressive cycle and would need one stacked PCT, but my question is that even a possibility?
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    Haha. Nononono. Not running AL as a natural text booster... I can see why my post was confusing. Using a natural text booster, like DTH for example. Or maybe even D-Aspartic acid.

    Since AL is less suppressive, I was just thinking Possibly starting a natty test booster during the last stage of the cycle could help in some way. I was considering putting an 8 week transition cycle together. And concerned with the length of time being a contributing factor of a quick recovery.

    The whole idea probably doesn't work. So I'm just going to stfu. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diezzil View Post
    Ok another question (since you seem to have a confident understanding of how someone would react to these compounds), could someone run the andromass as a "test base." What I mean to say is, (although obviously this is not advised) can an individual run a cycle like this for 12-16 weeks as if they were using it as a substitute for test E itself? I understand that 1 AD and 4AD do work as active metabolites, but theoretically if they are meant to convert to the target hormones 1-testosterone and testosterone couldn't an individual just run this for 12+ weeks as a hormonal base? Obviously this would be a very suppressive cycle and would need one stacked PCT, but my question is that even a possibility?
    It will act more like prop so 8-10 weeks yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by anabolicRyan1 View Post
    Haha. Nononono. Not running AL as a natural text booster... I can see why my post was confusing. Using a natural text booster, like DTH for example. Or maybe even D-Aspartic acid.

    Since AL is less suppressive, I was just thinking Possibly starting a natty test booster during the last stage of the cycle could help in some way. I was considering putting an 8 week transition cycle together. And concerned with the length of time being a contributing factor of a quick recovery.

    The whole idea probably doesn't work. So I'm just going to stfu. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diezzil View Post
    Ok another question (since you seem to have a confident understanding of how someone would react to these compounds), could someone run the andromass as a "test base." What I mean to say is, (although obviously this is not advised) can an individual run a cycle like this for 12-16 weeks as if they were using it as a substitute for test E itself? I understand that 1 AD and 4AD do work as active metabolites, but theoretically if they are meant to convert to the target hormones 1-testosterone and testosterone couldn't an individual just run this for 12+ weeks as a hormonal base? Obviously this would be a very suppressive cycle and would need one stacked PCT, but my question is that even a possibility?
    I had the same question as you bro, but after aking Eric and having round table discussions with the other reps in our meetings, 8 weeks should be the sweet spot and 10 weeks should be the longest. When I run mine, im goin to be super tempted to run it 8 weeks, but you need the proper gear to do so.

    I should mention that 6 weeks is the longest you can run it without having to resort to using the more advanced gear and you will see great gains/results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rulk22 View Post
    I had the same question as you bro, but after aking Eric and having round table discussions with the other reps in our meetings, 8 weeks should be the sweet spot and 10 weeks should be the longest. When I run mine, im goin to be super tempted to run it 8 weeks, but you need the proper gear to do so.

    I should mention that 6 weeks is the longest you can run it without having to resort to using the more advanced gear and you will see great gains/results.
    By more advanced gear I assume you mean hcg? As far as I know (and this question may make me seem like a total amateur here in running gear, mostly because I am lol) if one decides to NOT use hcg intra cycle won't they just end up more suppressed with longer suppression post cycle? Also I heard on PP forums that one could use sustain alpha intra cycle as a MILD substitute for hcg. My question is what would happen if one said **** it to using hcg and decided to just run it for a full 10-12 weeks? And thanks to ryansm for replying btw.
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    I pretty much just answered my own question, prolonged inactivity could lead to permanent testicular desensitization. I only asked because I guess I am not taking these prohormones as seriously I would real injectable AAS, I guess that's my first mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diezzil View Post
    By more advanced gear I assume you mean hcg? As far as I know (and this question may make me seem like a total amateur here in running gear, mostly because I am lol) if one decides to NOT use hcg intra cycle won't they just end up more suppressed with longer suppression post cycle? Also I heard on PP forums that one could use sustain alpha intra cycle as a MILD substitute for hcg. My question is what would happen if one said **** it to using hcg and decided to just run it for a full 10-12 weeks? And thanks to ryansm for replying btw.
    Yeah bro, stuff like hcg. As far with using or trying any of it, I never have but have had quit a few friends that do. So in other words, im an amateur too ; )

    It does sound like you figured it out pretty much. Id like to invite you to join our forum too though, at Primordial Performance. Its a great site to learn new things and the community is good like here at AM. They have some great articles and info on all sorts of things we're interested in. We need quality members looking to learn as well as share and I think you'd dig it.
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    For someone who trains not for mass, but for conditioning/cardio and gymnastics; does AL and AH cause blood pumps? As in, if i run for 5+ miles, will my calves and back be in dire pain?

    Also, what is the half life and detection life? As in, how long do I have to be off it before I piss clean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JassUSMC View Post
    For someone who trains not for mass, but for conditioning/cardio and gymnastics; does AL and AH cause blood pumps? As in, if i run for 5+ miles, will my calves and back be in dire pain?

    Also, what is the half life and detection life? As in, how long do I have to be off it before I piss clean?
    I would have said you would be fine, but from logs it appears both AH and AL give pretty intense pumps. It will be user dependent though...As far as testing from what Eric said 3 weeks or so for all metabolites to clear.

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    are these products legit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jm0311 View Post
    are these products legit?
    Legit in what way??
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    Legit in what way??
    i see alot of products come to market with big hype (pink magic) and they turn out to be crap...
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    I guess unless you use it yourself all you can go on is user feedback and unsponsored logs. I mean if Tons of people are giving it positive reviews, then it's probably legit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jm0311 View Post
    i see alot of products come to market with big hype (pink magic) and they turn out to be crap...
    They are certainly legit, and come with a 100% money back guarantee. Shoot if you log it with pics and qualify for the rest of the requirements we will give you a 150% money back guarantee.

    Regardless just look at the logs, very positive.

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    Another question... Although it maybe answered already.

    Eatting some fats while you take your pills for most PH's is suposse to help absorption. Is that true here as well?

    Or is the absorption aid already in each cap enough help already so eatting anything else would be useless?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anabolicRyan1 View Post
    Another question... Although it maybe answered already.

    Eatting some fats while you take your pills for most PH's is suposse to help absorption. Is that true here as well?

    Or is the absorption aid already in each cap enough help already so eatting anything else would be useless?
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    With most hormones, it will help to eat them with fats, but it is not necessary for these because of the delivery system.
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