The Natural Steroid Revolution is here AndroHard, AndroMass & AndroLean

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    I'm not trying to start sh!t, but how can you call this natural if it will make you piss hot for anabolic steroids. Being a natural bodybuilder this doesn't sound all that natural to me since you need a serm, pct and will make you test positive for steroids.

    Call it what you want, but if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's a ****ing duck.

    Only logically reasoning I can see for calling it "natural" is to keep the heat from the FDA and DEA off.

    Correct me if I'm wrong or out of line.
    Its not methylated, so we call it natural. The products dont wreck hell on your body like a methylated compound does. (liver, kidneys, cholesterol values, cardiovascular health, sex drive, ect)

    They are naturally occurring so detection time is alot shorter too.... like 28 days at the most for AndroMass and probably about 10-15 days for androlean or hard.

    -Eric


  2. For years I have seen people get hung up on what "natural" means. Natural vs naturally occurring is probably an important distinction.

    Plenty of stuff that is "natural" or "naturally occurring" can can be illegal, cause you to fail certain tests, make you grow, kill you, etc. These are 2 very broad terms. Legal or illegal has nothing to do with either natural or naturally occurring. Marijuana is a good example.

    The properties of a substance that can cause a person to fail a test or change their natural hormonal balance is not directly related to legal, illegal, natural, synthetic, natural occurring, etc etc.

    The terms are extrememly broad. I mean, dog poop is all natural, legal unless left on a public sidewalk, requires no SERM, no PCT, and probably won't make you fail any tests. But, I for 1 won't be using in my quest for a better body.

    Sounds like some people want "natural" to = no SERM, no PCT, no hormonal effects, no legality issues, and no failed tests by any recognized athletic organization or their employer. Sounds like creatine and protein to me.
    Training around a jacked up neck.
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  3. Thanks for the responses guys

    I wasn't trying to be a troll just didn't understand the whole natural steroids. When I think of natural roids I think of ecdysterone - ecdysteriods. That's all


  4. Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    For years I have seen people get hung up on what "natural" means. Natural vs naturally occurring is probably an important distinction.

    Plenty of stuff that is "natural" or "naturally occurring" can can be illegal, cause you to fail certain tests, make you grow, kill you, etc. These are 2 very broad terms. Legal or illegal has nothing to do with either natural or naturally occurring. Marijuana is a good example.

    The properties of a substance that can cause a person to fail a test or change their natural hormonal balance is not directly related to legal, illegal, natural, synthetic, natural occurring, etc etc.

    The terms are extrememly broad. I mean, dog poop is all natural, legal unless left on a public sidewalk, requires no SERM, no PCT, and probably won't make you fail any tests. But, I for 1 won't be using in my quest for a better body.

    Sounds like some people want "natural" to = no SERM, no PCT, no hormonal effects, no legality issues, and no failed tests by any recognized athletic organization or their employer. Sounds like creatine and protein to me.
    I really really do not want to get into a huge pissing match.

    Real sorry for asking the question...

    Sorry PP if my question got this thread off topic.


  5. Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    I really really do not want to get into a huge pissing match.

    Real sorry for asking the question...

    Sorry PP if my question got this thread off topic.
    I don't see it as a pissing match man.

    Believe me, I know where you are coming from and why you ask. Believe it or not, I had an informant suggest to my chief that I was "on". I weighed 158lbs at the time at about 5% - 6% body fat, and I was strong as an ox from lifting and racing bicycles.

    I did not intend to come across as busting your balls. But, I used to see a lot of this debate in the gym and while working at a GNC. Who knows, some of this may be useful to PP customers.

    Training around a jacked up neck.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    I don't see it as a pissing match man.

    Believe me, I know where you are coming from and why you ask. Believe it or not, I had an informant suggest to my chief that I was "on". I weighed 158lbs at the time at about 5% - 6% body fat, and I was strong as an ox from lifting and racing bicycles.

    I did not intend to come across as busting your balls. But, I used to see a lot of this debate in the gym and while working at a GNC. Who knows, some of this may be useful to PP customers.

    i didn't think a male could enter the military at 158lbs. smallest guy i seen was around 165, and he looked like he was about 12 yrs old. hell, i seen lots of females who went 180 or better, lol.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  7. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i didn't think a male could enter the military at 158lbs. smallest guy i seen was around 165, and he looked like he was about 12 yrs old. hell, i seen lots of females who went 180 or better, lol.
    I was cop in metro Atlanta. I could bench 275 for a clean single at that weight, leg press 900+ for reps, do 30+ pullups, etc. I think they would prolly let me in

    I'm not sure of military height and weight restrictions these days. I'm sure it's Googleable.
    Training around a jacked up neck.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    I was cop in metro Atlanta. I could bench 275 for a clean single at that weight, leg press 900+ for reps, do 30+ pullups, etc. I think they would prolly let me in

    I'm not sure of military height and weight restrictions these days. I'm sure it's Googleable.
    my bad-looks like 127 is minimum weight at your height for military. damn!!!

    i am shocked that minimum weight requirement is set so low.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  9. Has Eric explained anywhere how to account for the differences between various steroids? Meaning it is fine that the Androseries has anabolic and androgenic equivalencies that equal out to certain dosages of Testosterone.....but from the calculations on the web site it is clear that it is not the conversion which creates the equivalencies. For example, Androlean is said to have the anabolic and androgenic equivalency of 91mgs/wk of Testosterone Enanthate. This includes the ester weight of the enanthate. So this comparison is really only valid as to 63mgs/wk of actual active hormone and 28mgs/wk of ester. But at the conversion ratios represented (assuming we all experience this conversion ratio, some may be higher and some may be lower) there is really only the production of 14mgs/wk of actual testosterone. The remaining 49mgs/wk of active hormone comes from 28mgs of Androstenedione and 21mgs/wk of 5-Androstenediol.

    So 49mgs/wk of the actual hormones that are doing the work in this product are not testosterone. It is clear that androstenedione and 5-androdiol are active "natural" hormones in the body. What is not clear anywhere is that they have the exact properties and affinities for nuclear receptors throughout the body that testosterone has. Of course PP has not claimed this anywhere but it does seem that many people are mistaking the comparison to "91mgs/wk of Testosterone Enanthate" to mean that taking this product is the same as picking up a syringe and injecting onself with 1ml of 91mg/ml Test Enanthate.......... so far I have not seen any evidence to support that conclusion. Again PP has not directly implied it is the exact same as injecting 91mgs/wk of Test Enanthate but sadly I think this is the conclusion most people are drawing.

    Again, I sure hope all the products work as promised or as implied. And if they do and are supported, when the logs are complete, by the majority of users as having results comparable to the comparisons in the advertising literature then PP will have a ton of my money. With that said I am still not sure that 21mgs/wk of 5-Androdiol is the same as 21mgs/wk of Testosterone, or that 28mgs/wk of Androstenedione is the same as 28mgs/wk of Testosterone.

    Mr.50

  10. We have had testing done to include bio-assays that are extremely accurate. All of this will posted soon, but these numbers have been verified independently of us.

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  11. Are these products intended to be used as a stack or can they be run alone? Also, which is the best bulker of the three?

    Very interested in trying this. I'm currently sitting on a bottle of epi and a bag of boladrol, but I might want to run one of these in addition to (or in place of) either one of the ph's.

    Thanks in advance,
    Donny

  12. Quote Originally Posted by DonnyG View Post
    Are these products intended to be used as a stack or can they be run alone? Also, which is the best bulker of the three?
    Read the info linked in the first post, answers both questions and more.
    Training around a jacked up neck.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    Read the info linked in the first post, answers both questions and more.
    Read them before I posted, and I'm still unsure of whether am or ah is the better bulker, or if one of them is good to stack with a diff compound (something methylated).

  14. Quote Originally Posted by DonnyG View Post
    Read them before I posted, and I'm still unsure of whether am or ah is the better bulker, or if one of them is good to stack with a diff compound (something methylated).
    The names should be self explanatory, Mass, Lean, and Hard. If not, each product description tells you exactly what it's designed to do. All 3 AndroSeries are made to be stacked with each other depending on your goals. They aren't methylated so there is no extra liver stress factors to consider but, these are so new I'm not sure there's any end user feedback available yet for stacking with stuff outside the AndroSeries.

    Building the Ultimate Stack

    As we intended, all of the AndroSeries products are safe to stack with each other depending on the gains you desire.

    AndroMass is a great low-bloat mass builder and will produce gains similar a testosterone and boldenone stack. If you are looking to further enhance vascularity and muscle fullness, then AndroHard would stack well.

    On the other hand, if you are sensitive to androgenic related hair loss then AndroLean will have much lower androgenic potency while keeping gains lean and tight.

    To see the possible stacking possibilities, try our official Stacker Program.
    Training around a jacked up neck.

  15. Just purchased a bottle of Andromass, will run solo with possible Precycle and 3rd week on cycle bloods to see exactly what this thing does to the body.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    Just purchased a bottle of Andromass, will run solo with possible Precycle and 3rd week on cycle bloods to see exactly what this thing does to the body.
    Looking forward to your log


  17. Quote Originally Posted by DonnyG View Post
    Are these products intended to be used as a stack or can they be run alone? Also, which is the best bulker of the three?

    Very interested in trying this. I'm currently sitting on a bottle of epi and a bag of boladrol, but I might want to run one of these in addition to (or in place of) either one of the ph's.

    Thanks in advance,
    Donny
    Hey Donny, they can be ran solo, stacked, and with other hormones, that's the beauty with these. Best bulker is AndroMass, however it will depend on what you are stacking. Any tren type hormone, AndroHard would be my choice as well as with "wet" compounds. Epi, I would opt with AndroMass, bola eh not sure honestly, either would work imo.


  18. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Hey Donny, they can be ran solo, stacked, and with other hormones, that's the beauty with these. Best bulker is AndroMass, however it will depend on what you are stacking. Any tren type hormone, AndroHard would be my choice as well as with "wet" compounds. Epi, I would opt with AndroMass, bola eh not sure honestly, either would work imo.

    Thanks Ryan. I just ordered my torem, and as soon as it comes in I plan to run boladrol. I'm really interested in running AM alongside it, especially since HTS hooked it up with a discount.

    On another note, thanks for the great bola log you provided us. I was going to run another SD cycle, but you really got me hyped up about running bola.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    Just purchased a bottle of Andromass, will run solo with possible Precycle and 3rd week on cycle bloods to see exactly what this thing does to the body.
    Nice, ill follow this one too. When you say Precycle are you saying getting blood work done before? and then 3 weeks into the cycle have blood work done again? Interested in your on cycle supplements, if any, and your pct. Anyways TL, good luck.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by DonnyG View Post
    Thanks Ryan. I just ordered my torem, and as soon as it comes in I plan to run boladrol. I'm really interested in running AM alongside it, especially since HTS hooked it up with a discount.

    On another note, thanks for the great bola log you provided us. I was going to run another SD cycle, but you really got me hyped up about running bola.
    Thanks man, I liked bola a lot, hope it works out for you.


  21. Quote Originally Posted by rulk22 View Post
    Nice, ill follow this one too. When you say Precycle are you saying getting blood work done before? and then 3 weeks into the cycle have blood work done again? Interested in your on cycle supplements, if any, and your pct. Anyways TL, good luck.
    Yup, Pre-cycle as in before the cycle starts. I already have baselines, so I could just use those though. Then have it done again on the 3rd week to see what this stuff does to your insides and hormone levels.

    On cycle probably won't be too much other than saw coq10 and a couple other things, PCT will be OTC combination.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    Yup, Pre-cycle as in before the cycle starts. I already have baselines, so I could just use those though. Then have it done again on the 3rd week to see what this stuff does to your insides and hormone levels.

    On cycle probably won't be too much other than saw coq10 and a couple other things, PCT will be OTC combination.
    BBG help you out?


  23. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    BBG help you out?
    Yeah, the code didn't do what it was supposed to though, so I think they're trying to fix it.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    Yup, Pre-cycle as in before the cycle starts. I already have baselines, so I could just use those though. Then have it done again on the 3rd week to see what this stuff does to your insides and hormone levels.

    On cycle probably won't be too much other than saw coq10 and a couple other things, PCT will be OTC combination.
    Looking forward to this.
    Just inject.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Its not methylated, so we call it natural. The products dont wreck hell on your body like a methylated compound does. (liver, kidneys, cholesterol values, cardiovascular health, sex drive, ect)

    They are naturally occurring so detection time is alot shorter too.... like 28 days at the most for AndroMass and probably about 10-15 days for androlean or hard.

    -Eric
    Oh cool my Testosterone Enanthate is not methylated and is made from Mexican yams, so it must be natural too.

    You guys are full of it!

  26. Quote Originally Posted by CA1987 View Post
    Oh cool my Testosterone Enanthate is not methylated and is made from Mexican yams, so it must be natural too.

    You guys are full of it!
    Who are you??

  27. Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    Who are you??
    lol
    Just inject.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    Who are you??
    Just a fly in the ointment

  29. so does this need PCT?

  30. Yes, you need PCT with the Andro Series. I have not heard yet if a SERM is advisable, optional, required, etc.
    Training around a jacked up neck.
  

  
 

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