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    Introducing EQ-Plex by Competitive Edge Labs


    Lean, Dry Gains* Non Methylated

    EQ-Plex is a naturally occurring compound that is a direct precursor to Boldenone. It is commonly used by those looking to achieve gains in lean muscle and strength. Due to it not being methylated, it can be used as a stand alone or can be stacked with select other Competitive Edge Labs products.

    EQ-Plex can be incorporated into bulking, lean bulking, recomposition, or cutting cycles.

    Common Dosing Protocols:
    Beginner/Mild Cycle:
    Week 1: 400 mg (2 caps per day)
    Week 2: 600 mg (3 caps per day)
    Week 3: 600 mg (3 caps per day)
    Week 4: 600 mg (3 caps per day)
    Week 5: 600 mg (3 caps per day)
    Week 6: 600 mg (3 caps per day)

    Advanced Cycle:
    Week 1: 600 mg (3 caps per day)
    Week 2: 600 mg (3 caps per day)
    Week 3: 800 mg (4 caps per day)
    Week 4: 800 mg (4 caps per day)
    Week 5: 800 mg (4 caps per day)
    Week 6: 800 mg (4 caps per day)
    Week 7: 800 mg (4 caps per day)
    Week 8: 800 mg (4 caps per day)

    Stacking & Bridging Options:
    Due to EQ-Plex not being methylated, advanced users can stack X-Tren along with select other Competitive Edge Labs products, especially H-Drol and E-Stane.

    During Your Cycle:
    We suggest using our Cycle Assist product while on EQ-Plex for overall support purposes. Cycle Assist can be started at the onset of the cycle, or ideally can be started two weeks before the beginning of the cycle.

    After Your Cycle:
    It is important to be familiar with and to do proper Post Cycle Therapy (PCT), including, but not limited to our PCT Assist Product.

    Supplement Facts:
    Serving Size: 1 capsule
    Servings per Container: 60

    Amount Per Serving:
    1, 4 Androstadiene-3, 17-Dione 200 mg

    Other Ingredients: Cellulose, Gelatin.

    Directions:
    As a dietary supplement, take 1 capsule 2 to 4 times per day. For best results, space dosage out evenly throughout the day. Do not use this product for more than 8 weeks. Take at least an 8 week break between cycles of this product.

    Warning:
    Do not use this product if you are under 21 years of age. This product should not be used by women. Do not use this product if you have high blood pressure, diabetes, or any other physical and/or psychiatric condition. Keep stored in a cool, dry place away from children.

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    Product is available to ship, and should be available at NP soon. I will try to keep watch on when it is, or their reps are welcome to post links to it.
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    CEL is awesome. I have some of your products stored away for a nice winter bulk. Good work in making this product and others.
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    Nice to see a new product
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    very interested to see how this product works.. also what pct would be necessary for this product.. I am sure an otc product would suffice..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftp View Post
    very interested to see how this product works.. also what pct would be necessary for this product.. I am sure an otc product would suffice..
    Personally would use an OTC PCT. My personal PCT is generally Inhibit-E and Liver Assist by SNS along with PCT Assist by us
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    hmmm... what's the price per bottle?
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    I have seen it at another store no names for 32.95
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    I would really like to hear some reviews about this particular hormone because it sounds great but even with CEL pricing its still a 100$+ cycle. I want real results posted from people who have used it saying all the good things that make the price worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjkriston View Post
    I would really like to hear some reviews about this particular hormone because it sounds great but even with CEL pricing its still a 100$+ cycle. I want real results posted from people who have used it saying all the good things that make the price worth it.
    There's TONS of reviews with 14AD........

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    you say that but most of them dont run it long enough or stack it with something. I am looking for an honest 8-10 week straight up cycle results. I believe it works.... I just want to see some amazing feedback.
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    This and H-Drol sounds like a great deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjkriston View Post
    you say that but most of them dont run it long enough or stack it with something. I am looking for an honest 8-10 week straight up cycle results. I believe it works.... I just want to see some amazing feedback.
    I dont know how far back the search function on here goes, but 1,4ADD was around before the first ban, and was more popular then than even now. There were alot of people including me back then that ran it very high dosed solo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CompEdgeLabs View Post
    I dont know how far back the search function on here goes, but 1,4ADD was around before the first ban, and was more popular then than even now. There were alot of people including me back then that ran it very high dosed solo.
    \Ill dig deeper. I am really interested in this compound. Just want some more info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjkriston View Post
    \Ill dig deeper. I am really interested in this compound. Just want some more info.
    I will likely run it with H-Drol myself during summertime.

    Results on it have always been solid. The thing I have always liked about the compound in general is that leanness seems to come naturally with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CompEdgeLabs View Post
    I will likely run it with H-Drol myself during summertime.

    Results on it have always been solid. The thing I have always liked about the compound in general is that leanness seems to come naturally with it.
    Sounds like a great summer compound. Im getting ready to log IronMags 1-Andro but maybe ill give this a run late summer/early fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjkriston View Post
    Sounds like a great summer compound. Im getting ready to log IronMags 1-Andro but maybe ill give this a run late summer/early fall.
    Keep me updated if you do. I would love to hear your thoughts.
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    so how many bottles would you need for "Beginner/Mild Cycle" suggestion @ 32$?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rabican View Post
    so how many bottles would you need for "Beginner/Mild Cycle" suggestion @ 32$?
    2 bottles
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    Quote Originally Posted by CompEdgeLabs View Post
    2 bottles
    not bad...not sure if i would run this cycle standalone because of cost + still need supporting supps/pct...but stacking it with hdrol sounds like a good combo.

    ...how is this compound on the hairline? Do people tend to see any shedding? Would the addition of hdrol (light on hairline) to this compound see any shedding?

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    quick question, when will your website be updated with your newest products? I would like to forward it to a friend but prefer to use your main website not "other" stores selling it/forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rabican View Post
    not bad...not sure if i would run this cycle standalone because of cost + still need supporting supps/pct...but stacking it with hdrol sounds like a good combo.

    ...how is this compound on the hairline? Do people tend to see any shedding? Would the addition of hdrol (light on hairline) to this compound see any shedding?

    -----

    quick question, when will your website be updated with your newest products? I would like to forward it to a friend but prefer to use your main website not "other" stores selling it/forums.
    I never had problems with hairloss in the past on this compound. Hopefully others will give you their feedback as well.

    Our website is painfully outdated. It will be at least a month.

    Meant to add that I think stacking it with H-Drol or either E-Stane will be a really great recomp stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rabican View Post
    not bad...not sure if i would run this cycle standalone because of cost + still need supporting supps/pct...but stacking it with hdrol sounds like a good combo.

    ...how is this compound on the hairline? Do people tend to see any shedding? Would the addition of hdrol (light on hairline) to this compound see any shedding?

    -----

    quick question, when will your website be updated with your newest products? I would like to forward it to a friend but prefer to use your main website not "other" stores selling it/forums.

    Because EQ-PLEX (1, 4 Androstadiene-3, 17- Dione....a.k.a. "Boldione") is a Boldenone-conversion precursor hormone, (ex: veterinary brands like "Equipose"), it is a MYOGENIC compound (similar to the 4-Chloro and Epi compounds. ex: "Hemadrol, Epidrol, Halodrol, Epistane, Havoc)....meaning it has a high ANABOLIC-to-ANDROGENIC ratio.

    Being as such, the effects are more a cutting / leaning-type effect, similar to Anavar, rather than the "wet" heavy-bulking prohormones that directly convert to Testosterone (like M1T).

    Therefor, this compound being anabolic-dominant (as opposed to androgenic-dominant) does not convert / up-regulate heavily to DHT and associated receptors that lead to hair-loss, prostate enlargement, etc.

    It is dry, lean, and subtle. It's perfect for refining, shaping and contest prep toning to help maintain (or even build) muscle while dieting....as an alternative to Anavar, which is obviously illegal to obtain without a prescription.

    I am experimenting with it right now, by stacking it with Havoc, essentially combining TWO myogenic compounds, to see if the leaning / muscle-sparing effect can be synergistically accentuated.

    Finally, this is NOT to say that "Boldione" (1, 4 Androstadiene-3, 17- Dione) does not build muscle size or strength. It does it quite well, actually, but it's more subtler, drier, and gradual than the "wetter" heavy hitters that are also ROUGHER on the liver and your Testosterone / GH Axis.

    Preliminary results show that muscle that is gained on the Boldiene prohormone, just like its Boldenone (Equipose) big-brother, are more permanent and of a higher quality.

    In a nutshell, the muscle you gain with Boldione, though subtle and not as dramatic, is PERMANENT, HIGH-QUALITY, LEAN muscle. Without the hair-loss, bloating, water-retention, and prostate enlargement that comes with ANDROGENIC-dominent prohormones.

    First thing I noticed, even on the first few days, is a RAVENOUS appetite! This makes sense, as your intra-muscular amino acid demand sky-rockets and shunts extra protein into muscle tissue. (myogenic = Muscle-Fiber Genesis).

    If you can gather enough will-power, and not eat everything in sight, you should rip up like a MOFO, and STILL keep or build new muscle. Even before a contest!

    I will report back, after my little experiment with the EQ-Plex / Havoc stack.
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    How does this compare to real EQ?
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    Very informative first post here at AM.

    I am considering a similar recomp cycle myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by igoriginal View Post
    Because EQ-PLEX (1, 4 Androstadiene-3, 17- Dione....a.k.a. "Boldione") is a Boldenone-conversion precursor hormone, (ex: veterinary brands like "Equipose"), it is a MYOGENIC compound (similar to the 4-Chloro and Epi compounds. ex: "Hemadrol, Epidrol, Halodrol, Epistane, Havoc)....meaning it has a high ANABOLIC-to-ANDROGENIC ratio.

    Being as such, the effects are more a cutting / leaning-type effect, similar to Anavar, rather than the "wet" heavy-bulking prohormones that directly convert to Testosterone (like M1T).

    Therefor, this compound being anabolic-dominant (as opposed to androgenic-dominant) does not convert / up-regulate heavily to DHT and associated receptors that lead to hair-loss, prostate enlargement, etc.

    It is dry, lean, and subtle. It's perfect for refining, shaping and contest prep toning to help maintain (or even build) muscle while dieting....as an alternative to Anavar, which is obviously illegal to obtain without a prescription.

    I am experimenting with it right now, by stacking it with Havoc, essentially combining TWO myogenic compounds, to see if the leaning / muscle-sparing effect can be synergistically accentuated.

    Finally, this is NOT to say that "Boldione" (1, 4 Androstadiene-3, 17- Dione) does not build muscle size or strength. It does it quite well, actually, but it's more subtler, drier, and gradual than the "wetter" heavy hitters that are also ROUGHER on the liver and your Testosterone / GH Axis.

    Preliminary results show that muscle that is gained on the Boldiene prohormone, just like its Boldenone (Equipose) big-brother, are more permanent and of a higher quality.

    In a nutshell, the muscle you gain with Boldione, though subtle and not as dramatic, is PERMANENT, HIGH-QUALITY, LEAN muscle. Without the hair-loss, bloating, water-retention, and prostate enlargement that comes with ANDROGENIC-dominent prohormones.

    First thing I noticed, even on the first few days, is a RAVENOUS appetite! This makes sense, as your intra-muscular amino acid demand sky-rockets and shunts extra protein into muscle tissue. (myogenic = Muscle-Fiber Genesis).

    If you can gather enough will-power, and not eat everything in sight, you should rip up like a MOFO, and STILL keep or build new muscle. Even before a contest!

    I will report back, after my little experiment with the EQ-Plex / Havoc stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CompEdgeLabs View Post
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    so how many bottles would you need for "Beginner/Mild Cycle" suggestion @ 32$?
    2 bottles
    Why do you guys package it this way? It's the same way with h-drol, you really can't do much with one bottle, but if you buy two bottles you're going to end up with a lot of extra caps if you use it at the recommended dose.

    Do other companies do this? I've only done one cycle but everything else (cort blocker, test booster, PCS, etc.) have enough in one bottle for complete cycle support or PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGear View Post
    Why do you guys package it this way? It's the same way with h-drol, you really can't do much with one bottle, but if you buy two bottles you're going to end up with a lot of extra caps if you use it at the recommended dose.

    Do other companies do this? I've only done one cycle but everything else (cort blocker, test booster, PCS, etc.) have enough in one bottle for complete cycle support or PCT.

    I would assume the following reasons behind your inquiry.

    1. Larger bottles (with a greater quantity of pills) means that it might take longer until the bottle is used up, therefor prolonging the content's exposure to oxygen and moisture every time they are open and dispensed. Smaller bottles may create more lose odds and ends, but overall they go faster, and therefor are more likely to be fresher.

    Personally, I would rather have 2 bottles of 60 capsules, than 1 bottle of 120, because of the prolonged and continual exposure to air every time the lid is opened and closed. Merchants prefer more efficient "turn over" rates. The consumers benefit from this too.


    2. If you were able to take a look at what some of the pros are doing....one of the "lesser-known" secrets of the Olympia contenders...shhhh ..... they don't keep their supplements in their original packaging. The bottles are just the marketing and pretty pictures sitting on the shelf, before the initial purchase is made. But if you want to be smart and economical, while preserving your supplements for longer periods, you'll follow the lead of the pros and empty out the entire bottle the first time you open it and partition your "stacks" ahead of time, while repackaging the unused pills using "vacumm sealing" tools to suck the air out of them and keeping them in specialized "sucked-up" bags.

    No self-respecting pro keeps hundreds of unused supplements in their original bottles, once the tamper-lid is cracked open.

    Even so, lets say you go the "refrigeration" route: Because some prefer to refrigerate the bottles that they stockpile for the future, try to see how easy it is to shove jumbo bottles of 200 pills around the fridge compartments, versus small and stackable little bottles with managable dimensions.

    3. Finally, shipping and travel can be a nuasance for bulky and awkward containers as well. Let's not mention when you travel, and need a "travel-sized" and managable way to discretely tuck away your sups amid your clothing. Especially ones that are still unopened, but will be needed in the near future.

    Do you want to lug around a conspicuous, 200+ unit bottle of Winnie in your briefcase?
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    COMPARING Boldione (EQ-Plex) to Boldenone (Equipoise)


    Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    How does this compare to real EQ?


    COMPARING Boldione (EQ-Plex) to Boldenone (Equipoise)
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    First and formost, let's review how the parent steroid (Boldenone) acts, before comparing it to its little "pre-cousin" Boldione.

    Boldenone was initially synthesized as a veterinary drug for the treatment of equestrian animals (horses, mules, donkeys, etc), such as the healing of injuries to connective tissues and ligaments or muscular strains and tears that are sustained from racing, or working / farming duties. Of course, they filtered down to OTHER "lifestock" in the process (read: "humans).

    As mentioned earlier, Boldenone (the steroid with the effective marketing name: "Equipoise") is very active anabolically, while exerting only a mild androgenic response. This makes sense, because in order for a drug to focus on HEALING / CREATING new muscle and connective tissue while reducing inflammatory responses, it has to focus more directly on the myo-structures of muscle bundles themselves, rather than throwing the entire hormone-producing system into a madenning ruckus (such as "heavy" and "wetter" steroids that are centered around WATER RETENTION rather than myosin integrity).

    If you want to heal tissue more accutely, and as quickly as possible, you need to bring down "swelling" and "inflammation" first. For this reason, a water-retaining steroid may actually AGGREVATE rather than help heal the injury! In fact, water-retention-based steroids also increase the formation of Arachidonic Acid....which, although builds bulk like the hulk by stimulating more cholesterol production (hence testosterone)....also increases the inflammatory response.

    See for yourself: Do a Google search for Arachidonic Acid. (an Omega 6 fatty acid). As opposed to the the beneficial Omega 3's.

    (On a side note, this is the precise physiology behind why "wetter" bulking steroids create BAD lipid profiles....BAD CHOLESTEROL / TRIGLYCERIDE COUNTS.....to be exact. It is due to an up-regulation of Arachidonic Acid!).

    Omega 3's, on the other hand, DOWN-regulate cholesterol / lipid sythesis, while REDUCING inflammation. This is why it's so important to consume a higher ratio of 3's over 6's!

    Now, back on the subject.....

    So, with Boldenone: Enter a MYOgenic (rather than an ANDROgenic) compound to do the job! While this steroid won't make your neighbors wonder overnight if you're eating Miracle Grow for dinner, (NO MASSIVE MUSCLE OVERNIGHT), the one thing Boldenone DOES do, and do it WELL, is help add VERY DRY AND LEAN MUSCLE MASS over a more prolonged period without extreme side effects. Those who prefer a short-term "SHOCK & AWE" firecraker show should look elsewhere. This one is for the more patient, refined folks. But the end result is that YOU KEEP WHAT YOU GET!!!!

    Boldenone also stimulates appetite, as I have just discovered for myself. Tee hee. (BURP!!!!! BELCH!!!!!) And as I also theorized, this makes too much sense, since Boldenone acts to more directly channel nutrients to muscle structures themselves. More precisely, the appetite increase is due to the fact that because you're building more SOLID tissue (as opposed to WET), your body is going to be hungrier for SOLID FOOD (rather than an elevated thirst for WATER, as it the case of heavy bulking compounds).

    Makes sense....so far. No?

    As one laboratory document states: "The gains from Boldenone are very stable, easy to maintain after use, and of a very high quality."

    Another source states the following: Boldenone has been shown to enhance the function of insulin, which leads to an elevated ability to maintain and stimulate the manufacture and retention of Nitrogen."


    AH HAH! In layman's terms...Didn't I just say that I was craving protein like the dickens?!

    To finish this up, and move on to EQ-Plex, and how it stacks up to the parent steroid, I would also like to add that because of Boldenone's excellent track record in the use of healing / repairing connective tissue / muscle in horses.....one would deduce that it might make an outstanding drug for the therapeutic treatment of muscle wasting and disfunctions (burn victims, AIDS patients, CANCER, Multiple Sclerosis, etc).

    It is any coincidence that ANOTHER myogenic compound....ANAVAR....was mass-produced for a short time for the same types of treatments?!?! (Before the FDA shut it down?! Why, because it actually worked very well?! And VERY SAFELY...I might add?!).

    COUGH...conspiracy...COUGH.


    Now, on to the little cousin Boldione (1, 4 Androstadiene-3, 17- Dione), otherwise under the CEL Marketing name "EQ-PLEX."

    And I am not even their representative, mind you. (Hey, you representative dudes, are you gonna hire me?). Hehehhe.


    Initial annecdotal reports state that Boldione has a conversion rate anywhere from roughly 5% to 15%, depending on who you talk to. Even at the low end, this would deem a highly-successful "prohormone."

    (COUGH.....STOCKPILE......COUG H......BEFORE FDA......COUGH).

    It is beyond my scope to analyze or state HOW or HOW NOT Boldione works in relation to its parent steroid Boldenone, besides the fact that it would obviously take a relatively HIGH DOSAGE rate to yield results similar to the parent compound. But since this is not possible without risking some potentially unforseen ramifications, the dosage suggestions on the EQ-PLEX bottle seem fairly reasonable.

    I've been on EQ for a few days, just running 400 mg (2 capsules), along with 2 Havoc capsules of 10 mg (2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol).

    I also STAGGER them, technically, rather than actually STACK them. This means that if I take my first EQ capsule at 7 am after breakfast, I'll then take my first Havoc two hours later after my next meal. Then I'll take my second EQ after my third meal, and my second Havoc after my fourth meal. And so on, if one desires to move up to the next dosage level (600 mg EQ, 30 mg Havoc).


    The one thing I COULD say with certainty, in regards with how Boldione compares to its parent Boldenone, as quoted from a source:

    "Boldione contains a double-bond between the first and second Carbon atom, just as its parent steroid Boldenone. This gives the prohormone Boldione a natural ability to bypass the liver....just like the steroid Boldenone....at a much higher rate, WITHOUT THE NEED FOR METHYLATION!!! (Or, more technically, 17-alpha alkalated).

    In fact, the prohormone Boldione is one of the FEW KNOWN IN EXISTANCE that can do this, and still be biologically viable, without the need to molecularly alter the 17th position on the chain like OTHER prohormones!

    This means Boldione works rather well, for something that needs no liver-enzyme / first-pass protection! Again, it does this because the double-bond between the first and second Carbon atom renders it "under the radar", so to speak....that is, it doesn't get completely destroyed by the liver because the liver largly doesn't even RECOGNIZE it for what it is!

    CONCLUSION: Indeed, the dosages required for effective gains with Boldione add up to a rather EXPENSIVE cycle....BUT....it sure beats the expense of sitting in the slammer by partaking in "illegal activities."

    Not to mention, as I've said, that you can theoretically heighten the myogenic effect by stacking it with OTHER myogenics (such as Havoc), which I am experimenting on right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGear View Post
    Why do you guys package it this way? It's the same way with h-drol, you really can't do much with one bottle, but if you buy two bottles you're going to end up with a lot of extra caps if you use it at the recommended dose.

    Do other companies do this? I've only done one cycle but everything else (cort blocker, test booster, PCS, etc.) have enough in one bottle for complete cycle support or PCT.
    To keep the cost down per bottle, and so that people can design their own stacks. Lets say we did a 120 count bottle, what if you only needed 180 caps? Then you are stuck with half a bottle. Being a 60 count makes it easier to customize your cycle to your own needs. Plus, some people can only afford one bottle at a time.

    With H-Drol recomendations, you either use one bottle or two bottles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by igoriginal View Post
    And I am not even their representative, mind you. (Hey, you representative dudes, are you gonna hire me?). Hehehhe.

    All I can say is damn, great posting. Very nice way to get started here at AM.

    I appreciate you taking the time to do that and be so technical.

    I look very forward to seeing how your stack goes.
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    looking for a tester or so to log this either solo or stacked with stuff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nycste View Post
    looking for a tester or so to log this either solo or stacked with stuff?
    Not sure yet. Some things here are being worked on for some possible upcoming tester opportunities, but nothing concrete so far.
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    i'm loking to do eq-plex and h-drol . my last was extreme tren and p-plex ,i got good gains and kept it all with no sides. i'm hoping to get the same out of this one any thoughts
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    Quote Originally Posted by trucks18 View Post
    i'm loking to do eq-plex and h-drol . my last was extreme tren and p-plex ,i got good gains and kept it all with no sides. i'm hoping to get the same out of this one any thoughts
    Should be a nice stack for lean muscle and fat loss. I would do the EQ-Plex for 8 weeks and the H-Drol for the last 6 weeks of it if were me.

    I would do the EQ-Plex at 8 weeks at 600 to 800 mg per day. The H-Drol I would start the first week at 50 mg then up it to 75 mg per day.

    My personal PCT would be Inhibit-E and Liver Assist XT by SNS along with PCT Assist and Suppress-C by us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CompEdgeLabs View Post
    Should be a nice stack for lean muscle and fat loss. I would do the EQ-Plex for 8 weeks and the H-Drol for the last 6 weeks of it if were me.

    I would do the EQ-Plex at 8 weeks at 600 to 800 mg per day. The H-Drol I would start the first week at 50 mg then up it to 75 mg per day.

    My personal PCT would be Inhibit-E and Liver Assist XT by SNS along with PCT Assist and Suppress-C by us.
    i was planning on doing something similar in a month or so
    any idea when eqplex will be available at NP
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    Quote Originally Posted by CompEdgeLabs View Post
    Should be a nice stack for lean muscle and fat loss. I would do the EQ-Plex for 8 weeks and the H-Drol for the last 6 weeks of it if were me.

    I would do the EQ-Plex at 8 weeks at 600 to 800 mg per day. The H-Drol I would start the first week at 50 mg then up it to 75 mg per day.

    My personal PCT would be Inhibit-E and Liver Assist XT by SNS along with PCT Assist and Suppress-C by us.


    About the idea of doing H-Drol for 6 weeks, and then topping it out at 75 mg....DANGEROUS, DANGEROUS idea.

    H-Drol is built around a "4-Chloro" compound, which is considered by many lab chemists to be one of the more toxic alkalated compounds in terms of your liver. If you look at the original dosage requirements of the PIONEER 4-Chloro pro-steroid makers (Gaspari's original Halodrol-50) and others such as EST's Hemadrol, their recommendations were to NEVER, EVER exceed 30 days on-cycle, or ingest more than a maximum of 50 mg / day!

    When it comes to ingesting 4-Chloro pro-steroids, MORE is NOT better. In fact, recent studies suggest that even at 25 mg per day (a typical "half dose"), the effects have been shown to exhibit 85 to 90% efficacy of the 50 mg / day dose! Why? Because apprently, the liver cannot process much more than 30 to 35 mg of 4-Chloro within a 24 hour period! While 50 mg will top out (and slightly OVERFLOW) your liver's conversion "reservoir", a 75 mg / day intake is not only a waste of money, but a gamble with your health....and LIFE!

    4-Chloro's, when taken above the liver's dosage capabilities, accelerate liver damage 3-fold, and start affecting the actions of peripheral organs! (such as your kidneys). I know this from a personal experience, by the way, when I did blood work, and the analysis indicated that my kidneys were under traumatic / chronic overuse stress, along with my liver. And I haven't even gotten into what a 4-Chloro does to the blood itself (increases clotting / thrombosis, raises bad Cholesterol / Triglyceride count, etc).

    Some bodybuilders argue: "Well, I dose higher because I am a big dude. I weigh over 250 pounds, so I need more."

    Then, I say to them: "Do you suppose that just because your muscles have grown over the years, that your liver got buffed up too? I've got news for you: The liver of a 250 pound bodybuilder, and a 130 pound petite woman are still the same size, and can STILL only handle the same workload. Your organs don't get larger, just because your body does. This is why many of the LARGER pro bodybuilders have heart problems later on in life, because their hearts had to work harder to support a larger musculature."

    That usually leaves them dumb-founded.

    Again, MORE is NOT better. You are, of course, free to do what you want to do...BUT...I thought I'd chime in because I care about not seeing a fellow brother of the iron get hurt.

    Be sensible, be responsible, be successful.
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    oknppl he makes sense... some1 argue it.... i bumped mine upto 150mg and dindt notice any sides (pplex killed me though - this cycle was 7months after the hdrol)
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    Sick.

    How about a PCT consisting of drive by AN, fromadrol by lg sciences, liv-52 and neo-var?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay21 View Post
    oknppl he makes sense... some1 argue it.... i bumped mine upto 150mg and dindt notice any sides (pplex killed me though - this cycle was 7months after the hdrol)
    I am sure MANY PEOPLE have gone over the 50 mg / day "safety" dose without initially noticing any short-term "side effects."

    However, speaking about "side effects"...there are a lot of people in the world who are morbidly obese, with ARTERIOSCLEROSIS, HYPERTENSION, BAD CHOLESTEROL PROFILES, etc, etc, without any VISIBLE "sides."

    I see fat f--ks choking down greasy, oil-splatted, trans-fat riddled fried chicken for 30 years without any INITIAL "sides."

    Have you ever heard the popular catch-phrase "the silent killer"?

    That's one of the nicknames of Hypertension.

    What am I getting at? Just because your left nut isn't exploding, or your right eyeball doesn't pop out of its socket, doesn't mean you aren't doing LONG-TERM damage to your body!

    Heck, I can swallow small doses of arsenic for 5 years without any immediate or significant "side effects"....or take small inhalations of lead fumes....or suck on asbestos dust for 10 years....but the damage won't show up until later, because it takes time to bio-accumulate and run its course.

    "I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY SIDES."

    Neither do most of America's 30 millions smokers, for the first 15 to 20 years of smoking notice any "sides."

    Please, folks....let's come down from your fantasy world of "I'm bullet-proof and impenetrable" delusions.

    Not really trying to be condescending, here. Trying to put some REASON and RATIONALITY into the profound LONG-TERM damage you guys are doing....even though you claim that you see no "sides".....at the moment.

    Of course, everyone always seem to fall into the trap of "it cant happen to me, only to someone else."
  

  
 

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