I worked for a company that sold MP3 players back when people were actually trying to compete with Apple. *I'm still laughing btw* I would say that 95-98% of mp3 players that aren't ipods are junk. My old company had one really cool player, but that was only because you could encode at a really high rate directly to a wav file, and it supported laptop hardrives... yes the thing was beastly huge... I got laughed at more than once. But I'll tell you what, I had a 100GB mp3 player when everyone else was sporting a 12 GB. The thing was made in South Korea, and was pretty bulletproof... but everything else that manufacturer put out was absolute crap.