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  1. Marijuana and Bodybuilding


    ok, i'm sure we all know people who smoke pot... i have a specific friend in mind, who frequently lifts and does cardio, but he also smokes pot on occasion and yesterday we were discussing what effects that may have on bodybuilding.

    does anyone have any information on the possible effects THC may have on building muscle? does it raise estrogen/suppress testosterone? or really have no effect?


  2. search... the majority if not all new studies on marijuana research show that there is no correlation between marijuana and testosterone levels. However I think it could really help out during a bulk... also look at Marinol, its the prescription version of pot in pill form pretty much
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  3. THC lowers testosterone

  4. Quote Originally Posted by greenwing7 View Post
    search... the majority if not all new studies on marijuana research show that there is no correlation between marijuana and testosterone levels. However I think it could really help out during a bulk... also look at Marinol, its the prescription version of pot in pill form pretty much
    ya, thanks. good call. i shoulda searched before asking the Q but anyway when i did, i found some studies that say it INCREASED testostere... that's rather interesting... i did find that prolonged use over time can cause diminished production however...

  5. STUDY LINKS USE OF MARIJUANA TO A FLUCTUATION IN SEX DRIVE

    By JOEL GREENBERG, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
    Published: July 25, 1981

    in excessive amounts yes however in very small amounts it raises them, a small hit of THC

    Pharmacological researchers may have resolved the contradiction between scientific findings that marijuana decreases sexual drive and reports from users who maintain the drug works as an aphrodisiac.

    In the journal Science three researchers from the University of Texas suggest that tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, marijuana's active ingredient, may affect male sexual activity in two phases. In animal tests, they found, it first raises the level of testosterone and other sex hormones but later may lower hormone levels to far below normal.

    Previous laboratory studies failed to detect the initial rise in hormone levels because scientists usually do not begin measuring those levels until at least one hour after the drug is administered, said Susan Dalterio, assistant professor of pharmacology, obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Texas Health Center in San Antonio.

    ''One thing that bothered those of us who do animal work was that every time we gave THC to mice, they would show a decrease in sexual behavior,'' Dr. Dalterio said in a telephone interview. ''But then human beings who smoke marijuana would tell us, 'Hey, you're crazy! It increases our sex drive.' '' Hormone Levels Measured

    In their current study, the researchers measured levels of blood testosterone and luteinizing hormone, or LH, which stimulates testosterone production, within the first hour after feeding liquid THC to mice.

    They found that the testosterone level in all the mice jumped almost immediately to about six times its normal amount. Moreover, mice receiving low doses of the drug maintained the high testosterone levels for the entire hour; those receiving much higher doses showed drastic drops in testosterone after 20 minutes to levels considerably below those of mice in the control group.

    In a person smoking marijuana, the THC enters the bloodstream very rapidly, Dr. Dalterio said. The drug's almost instant effect on the testes, as shown in the study, would seem to account for the dramatic reports of sexual arousal during and after smoking, she said.

    The results also seem to explain previous reports of depleted testosterone levels among heavy marijuana users, according to Dr. Dalterio. In the study doses of THC that were 10 to 100 times higher than the low doses caused a simultaneous rise in luteinizing hormone, which is manufactured in the pituitary gland at the brain's base. Normal Controls Disrupted

    In normal sexual stimulation, Dr. Dalterio explained, it takes about 20 minutes for LH to be produced, then travel from the pituitary to the testes, where it helps produce testosterone; in about the same amount of time the testosterone then enters the bloodstream and makes the trip back to the pituitary. This feedback system automatically shuts down when the brain senses an adequate level of sex hormone has been reached.

    Heavy doses of THC disrupt the normal flow in this hormonal loop by triggering LH and testosterone production at the same time, she said. This appears to cause a shutdown that sends hormonal levels plummeting 20 minutes after the drug is administered. No such testosterone drop was seen among mice that received low doses.


    STUDY LINKS USE OF MARIJUANA TO A FLUCTUATION IN SEX DRIVE - New York Times

  6. just like anything, excessive amounts is harmful

    smoking a little "reefer" from time to time is ok health wise but legally depending on where you live is another story

    i'll leave u with arnold's take on it




  7. In my opinion, I personally would smoke a joint over a 12 pack any day if I had to choose the lesser of the two evils, legality may be an issue however

  8. maybe he is the exception...but my old training partner is a pretty serious with mari-j and he is an animal...keeps his diet clean and uses moderate doses of gear but he's only 22 and 6'1 230 something and prob 9-10% bf

    and when i was heavy on the pot and bulking i had no problems

  9. guys i've smoked mary jane for ever and it never hurt my bodybuilding career

  10. just rolled and smoked a fat one tonight guys after a great leg workout at my local gym

    ate plenty of good food and i'm now considering a visit to my local cat house for some good old fashioned loving, gets tough being by yourself sometimes

    least the girls where i go think i've still got it and i'm old enough to be their grandfather, lol

    they call me sexy legs and really show me a good time, i'm even considering using that aspire i've been reading so much about to help me a little more to get my money's worth

    i love my herbs and sex
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  11. pros:
    mind muscle connection
    increased hunger
    relaxation

    cons:
    increased estrogen
    killing brain cells
    paranoia / anxiety / stress

    You be the judge

  12. I do not believe that THC is neurotoxic, there is even a substantial amount of evidence coming out that it is neuroprotective...
    Last edited by pist; 09-07-2007 at 10:52 AM. Reason: increased specificity

  13. Quote Originally Posted by pist View Post
    I do not believe that THC is neurotoxic, there is even a substantial amount of evidence coming out that it is neuroprotective...
    i have a bridge in denverport ill sell to you for cheap ... pm me

  14. I have a serious consideration about any type of smoking and the effects it has on your lungs. Basically any type of smoking over time hinders the exchange of oxygen in the capilaries in the lung fields....to some degree. I firmly believe that oxygen in the muscles would be directly effected by this, and oxygen is what the muscles crave. Without proper oxygenation the muscle will not have the vital needs to grow.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by CaponeCEO View Post
    I have a serious consideration about any type of smoking and the effects it has on your lungs. Basically any type of smoking over time hinders the exchange of oxygen in the capilaries in the lung fields....to some degree. I firmly believe that oxygen in the muscles would be directly effected by this, and oxygen is what the muslcles crave. Without proper oxygenation the muslce will not have the vital needs to grow.
    heard of a vapouriser, i been using one for years, no smoke, it's the secret to my on going success in my bodybuilding career & continued good times

    you young guys need to remember that, i didn't get where i am today by living stift and rigid

  16. Quote Originally Posted by ticktwo View Post
    THC lowers testosterone
    maybe.....if you inject 100 times the type of amount you would get from smoking a joint all at once into a rat weighing less than a pound.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    pros:
    mind muscle connection
    increased hunger
    relaxation

    cons:
    increased estrogen
    killing brain cells
    paranoia / anxiety / stress

    You be the judge
    i keep on seeing the word THC. THC is one of the MANY cannabinoids you come under the influence of when smoking marijuana.

    i havent seen a study saying THC kills brain cells...and im willing to bet any one that does wasnt giving the rats a joint, but a 100CC injection of JUST THC.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by jomi822 View Post
    i keep on seeing the word THC. THC is one of the MANY cannabinoids you come under the influence of when smoking marijuana.

    i havent seen a study saying THC kills brain cells...and im willing to bet any one that does wasnt giving the rats a joint, but a 100CC injection of JUST THC.
    where can i get this injection of thc, sounds fantastic!!

  19. i dont know about its effects on bodybuilding as that is really dependant on the individual, i think alot of people react differently to bud. I myself hardly feel relaxed more like the opposite. I also somewhat believe that when i was 14 or around that age my excessive smoking may have gave me a small case of gyno. I have seen studies on that showing male teens that used throughout adolescense had more cases of gyno. And libido...yeah i wouldnt get horny while i was stoned, now maybe afterwards ok but this shows me it probably decreases testosterone, at least in me.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Mike Combs View Post
    heard of a vapouriser, i been using one for years, no smoke, it's the secret to my on going success in my bodybuilding career & continued good times

    you young guys need to remember that, i didn't get where i am today by living stift and rigid
    Sorry buddy I've never heard of a vaporizor, but I don't exactly go shopping at Psychedelic Joes often either. Sounds like you know your hobby well and thats good, maybe you should talk to the rep from USPLabs and see if they will make one for the youth to live like you have...

  21. Quote Originally Posted by CaponeCEO View Post
    Sorry buddy I've never heard of a vaporizor, but I don't exactly go shopping at Psychedelic Joes often either. Sounds like you know your hobby well and thats good, maybe you should talk to the rep from USPLabs and see if they will make one for the youth to live like you have...
    why dont u try a google search using the word "vaporizor", lol. Ive used a volcano before. I think that it was pretty sweet, but it got me a lot higher than i like to get. I dont like feeling like a vegetable. Also try using clear rolling papers, they are made out of vegetable oils i think. They taste a lot better than traditional blunts or rolling papers. They also make a lot less smoke. Smoking after a workout is a great idea imo. It relaxes you and makes you want to eat more. When I get a little high i feel an increase in libido, but when i get completely baked i just feel like not moving.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Mike Combs View Post
    just rolled and smoked a fat one tonight guys after a great leg workout at my local gym

    ate plenty of good food and i'm now considering a visit to my local cat house for some good old fashioned loving, gets tough being by yourself sometimes

    least the girls where i go think i've still got it and i'm old enough to be their grandfather, lol

    they call me sexy legs and really show me a good time, i'm even considering using that aspire i've been reading so much about to help me a little more to get my money's worth

    i love my herbs and sex
    Try paravol. You wont be disappointed.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    pros:
    mind muscle connection
    increased hunger
    relaxation

    cons:
    increased estrogen
    killing brain cells
    paranoia / anxiety / stress

    You be the judge
    Myth: Pot kills brain cells
    Government experts now admit that pot doesn't kill brain cells.(8) This myth came from a handful of animal experiments in which structural changes (not actual cell death, as is often alleged) were observed in brain cells of animals exposed to high doses of pot. Many critics still cite the notorious monkey studies of Dr. Robert G. Heath, which purported to find brain damage in three monkeys that had been heavily dosed with cannabis.(9) This work was never replicated and has since been discredited by a pair of better controlled, much larger monkey studies, one by Dr. William Slikker of the National Center for Toxicological Research(10) and the other by Charles Rebert and Gordon Pryor of SRI International.(11) Neither found any evidence of physical alteration in the brains of monkeys exposed to daily doses of pot for up to a year. Human studies of heavy users in Jamaica and Costa Rica found no evidence of abnormalities in brain physiology.(12) Even though there is no evidence that pot causes permanent brain damage, users should be aware that persistent deficits in short-term memory have been noted in chronic, heavy marijuana smokers after 6 to 12 weeks of abstinence.(13) It is worth noting that other drugs, including alcohol, are known to cause brain damage.

  24. Myth: Marijuana causes sterility and lowers testosterone
    Government experts also concede that pot has no permanent effect on the male or female reproductive systems.(14) A few studies have suggested that heavy marijuana use may have a reversible, suppressive effect on male testicular function.(15) A recent study by Dr. Robert Block has refuted earlier research suggesting that pot lowers testosterone or other sex hormones in men or women.(16) In contrast, heavy alcohol drinking is known to lower testosterone levels and cause impotence. A couple of lab studies indicated that very heavy marijuana smoking might lower sperm counts. However, surveys of chronic smokers have turned up no indication of infertility or other abnormalities.

    Less is known about the effects of cannabis on human females. Some animal studies suggest that pot might temporarily lower fertility or increase the risk of fetal loss, but this evidence is of dubious relevance to humans.(1) One human study suggested that pot may mildly disrupt ovulation. It is possible that adolescents are peculiarly vulnerable to hormonal disruptions from pot. However, not a single case of impaired fertility has ever been observed in humans of either sex.

  25. Myth: One joint equals one pack of (or 16, or maybe just 4) cigarettes
    Some critics exaggerate the dangers of marijuana smoking by fallaciously citing a study by Dr. Tashkin which found that daily pot smokers experienced a "mild but significant" increase in airflow resistance in the large airways greater than that seen in persons smoking 16 cigarettes per day.(7) What they ignore is that the same study examined other, more important aspects of lung health, in which marijuana smokers did much better than tobacco smokers. Dr. Tashkin himself disavows the notion that one joint equals 16 cigarettes. A more widely accepted estimate is that marijuana smokers consume four times as much carcinogenic tar as cigarettes smokers per weight smoked. (8) This does not necessarily mean that one joint equals four cigarettes, since joints usually weigh less. In fact, the average joint has been estimated to contain 0.4 grams of pot, a bit less than one-half the weight of a cigarette, making one joint equal to two cigarettes (actually, joint sizes range from cigar-sized spliffs smoked by Rastas, to very fine sinsemilla joints weighing as little as 0.2 grams). It should be noted that there is no exact equivalency between tobacco and marijuana smoking, because they affect different parts of the respiratory tract differently: whereas tobacco tends to penetrate to the smaller, peripheral passageways of the lungs, pot tends to concentrate on the larger, central passageways.(9) One consequence of this is that pot, unlike tobacco, does not appear to cause emphysema.

  26. Myth: Marijuana causes chromosome and cell damage
    According to the NAS,(14) "Studies suggesting that marijuana probably does not break chromosomes are fairly conclusive." Cannabinoids in themselves are neither mutagenic nor carcinogenic, though the tars produced by marijuana combustion are. Some laboratory studies have suggested that high dosages of THC might interfere with cell replication and produce abnormal numbers of chromosomes; however, there is no evidence of such damage in realistic situations.

  27. Myth: Marijuana damages the immune system
    A variety of studies indicate that THC and other cannabinoids may exercise mild, reversible immuno-suppressive effects by inhibiting the activity of immune system cells know as lymphocytes (T- and B-cells) and macrophages. It is dubious whether these effects are of import to human health, since they are based mainly on theoretical laboratory and animal studies. According to a review by Dr. Leo Hollister(8) "The evidence [on immune suppression] has been contradictory and is more supportive of some degree of immunosuppression only when one considers in vitro studies. These have been seriously flawed by the very high concentrations of drug used to produce immunosuppression. The closer that experimental studies have been to actual clinical situations, the less compelling has been the evidence."

    The immune suppression issue was first raised in research by the notorious cannabophobe Dr. Gabriel Nahas, but a flurry of research by the Reagan administration failed to find anything alarming. The recent discovery of a cannabinoid receptor inside rat spleens, where immune cells reside, raises the likelihood that cannabinoids do exert some sort of influence on the immune system.(9) It has even been suggested that these effects might be beneficial for patients with auto-immune diseases such as multiple sclerosis. Nevertheless, not a single case of marijuana-induced immune deficiency has ever been clinically or epidemiologically detected in humans.

    One exception is the lungs, where chronic pots smokers have been shown to suffer damage to the immune cells known as alveolar macrophages and other defense mechanisms.(10) It is unclear how much of this damage is due to THC, as opposed to all of the other toxins that occur in smoke, many of which can be filtered out by waterpipes and other devices(11).

    There is no reason to think marijuana is dangerous to AIDS patients. On the contrary, many AIDS patients report that marijuana helps avert the deadly "wasting syndrome" by stimulating appetite and reducing nausea. Cannabinoids do not actually damage the T-cells, which are depleted in HIV patients: one study even found that marijuana exposure increased T-cell counts in subjects (not AIDS patients) whose T-cell counts had been low.(12) Epidemiological studies have found no relation between use of marijuana or other drugs and development of AIDS.(13)

  28. reps to both hurdlemaker and hank vangut, it looks like you take your health seriously, great posts and research hank

    cheers
    b

  29. Where's the link to those studies you've cited?
  

  
 

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