Marijuana and Bodybuilding
- 09-05-2007, 08:16 PM
Marijuana and Bodybuilding
ok, i'm sure we all know people who smoke pot... i have a specific friend in mind, who frequently lifts and does cardio, but he also smokes pot on occasion and yesterday we were discussing what effects that may have on bodybuilding.
does anyone have any information on the possible effects THC may have on building muscle? does it raise estrogen/suppress testosterone? or really have no effect?
- 09-05-2007, 08:28 PM
search... the majority if not all new studies on marijuana research show that there is no correlation between marijuana and testosterone levels. However I think it could really help out during a bulk... also look at Marinol, its the prescription version of pot in pill form pretty much
09-05-2007, 08:29 PM
09-05-2007, 08:47 PM
09-05-2007, 09:24 PM
STUDY LINKS USE OF MARIJUANA TO A FLUCTUATION IN SEX DRIVE
By JOEL GREENBERG, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: July 25, 1981
in excessive amounts yes however in very small amounts it raises them, a small hit of THC
Pharmacological researchers may have resolved the contradiction between scientific findings that marijuana decreases sexual drive and reports from users who maintain the drug works as an aphrodisiac.
In the journal Science three researchers from the University of Texas suggest that tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, marijuana's active ingredient, may affect male sexual activity in two phases. In animal tests, they found, it first raises the level of testosterone and other sex hormones but later may lower hormone levels to far below normal.
Previous laboratory studies failed to detect the initial rise in hormone levels because scientists usually do not begin measuring those levels until at least one hour after the drug is administered, said Susan Dalterio, assistant professor of pharmacology, obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Texas Health Center in San Antonio.
''One thing that bothered those of us who do animal work was that every time we gave THC to mice, they would show a decrease in sexual behavior,'' Dr. Dalterio said in a telephone interview. ''But then human beings who smoke marijuana would tell us, 'Hey, you're crazy! It increases our sex drive.' '' Hormone Levels Measured
In their current study, the researchers measured levels of blood testosterone and luteinizing hormone, or LH, which stimulates testosterone production, within the first hour after feeding liquid THC to mice.
They found that the testosterone level in all the mice jumped almost immediately to about six times its normal amount. Moreover, mice receiving low doses of the drug maintained the high testosterone levels for the entire hour; those receiving much higher doses showed drastic drops in testosterone after 20 minutes to levels considerably below those of mice in the control group.
In a person smoking marijuana, the THC enters the bloodstream very rapidly, Dr. Dalterio said. The drug's almost instant effect on the testes, as shown in the study, would seem to account for the dramatic reports of sexual arousal during and after smoking, she said.
The results also seem to explain previous reports of depleted testosterone levels among heavy marijuana users, according to Dr. Dalterio. In the study doses of THC that were 10 to 100 times higher than the low doses caused a simultaneous rise in luteinizing hormone, which is manufactured in the pituitary gland at the brain's base. Normal Controls Disrupted
In normal sexual stimulation, Dr. Dalterio explained, it takes about 20 minutes for LH to be produced, then travel from the pituitary to the testes, where it helps produce testosterone; in about the same amount of time the testosterone then enters the bloodstream and makes the trip back to the pituitary. This feedback system automatically shuts down when the brain senses an adequate level of sex hormone has been reached.
Heavy doses of THC disrupt the normal flow in this hormonal loop by triggering LH and testosterone production at the same time, she said. This appears to cause a shutdown that sends hormonal levels plummeting 20 minutes after the drug is administered. No such testosterone drop was seen among mice that received low doses.
STUDY LINKS USE OF MARIJUANA TO A FLUCTUATION IN SEX DRIVE - New York Times
09-05-2007, 09:29 PM
just like anything, excessive amounts is harmful
smoking a little "reefer" from time to time is ok health wise but legally depending on where you live is another story
i'll leave u with arnold's take on it
09-05-2007, 11:44 PM
In my opinion, I personally would smoke a joint over a 12 pack any day if I had to choose the lesser of the two evils, legality may be an issue however
09-06-2007, 12:06 AM
maybe he is the exception...but my old training partner is a pretty serious with mari-j and he is an animal...keeps his diet clean and uses moderate doses of gear but he's only 22 and 6'1 230 something and prob 9-10% bf
and when i was heavy on the pot and bulking i had no problems
09-06-2007, 01:35 AM
09-07-2007, 06:23 AM
just rolled and smoked a fat one tonight guys after a great leg workout at my local gym
ate plenty of good food and i'm now considering a visit to my local cat house for some good old fashioned loving, gets tough being by yourself sometimes
least the girls where i go think i've still got it and i'm old enough to be their grandfather, lol
they call me sexy legs and really show me a good time, i'm even considering using that aspire i've been reading so much about to help me a little more to get my money's worth
i love my herbs and sex
09-07-2007, 07:52 AM
mind muscle connection
killing brain cells
paranoia / anxiety / stress
You be the judge
09-07-2007, 09:50 AM
I do not believe that THC is neurotoxic, there is even a substantial amount of evidence coming out that it is neuroprotective...
Last edited by pist; 09-07-2007 at 09:52 AM. Reason: increased specificity
09-07-2007, 04:05 PM
09-07-2007, 04:07 PM
I have a serious consideration about any type of smoking and the effects it has on your lungs. Basically any type of smoking over time hinders the exchange of oxygen in the capilaries in the lung fields....to some degree. I firmly believe that oxygen in the muscles would be directly effected by this, and oxygen is what the muscles crave. Without proper oxygenation the muscle will not have the vital needs to grow.
09-07-2007, 06:23 PM
09-08-2007, 12:28 PM
09-08-2007, 12:55 PM
09-08-2007, 12:59 PM
i havent seen a study saying THC kills brain cells...and im willing to bet any one that does wasnt giving the rats a joint, but a 100CC injection of JUST THC.
09-09-2007, 12:36 AM
09-09-2007, 12:00 PM
i dont know about its effects on bodybuilding as that is really dependant on the individual, i think alot of people react differently to bud. I myself hardly feel relaxed more like the opposite. I also somewhat believe that when i was 14 or around that age my excessive smoking may have gave me a small case of gyno. I have seen studies on that showing male teens that used throughout adolescense had more cases of gyno. And libido...yeah i wouldnt get horny while i was stoned, now maybe afterwards ok but this shows me it probably decreases testosterone, at least in me.
09-09-2007, 01:09 PM
09-14-2007, 04:12 PM
09-14-2007, 04:15 PM
09-14-2007, 04:25 PM
Government experts now admit that pot doesn't kill brain cells.(8) This myth came from a handful of animal experiments in which structural changes (not actual cell death, as is often alleged) were observed in brain cells of animals exposed to high doses of pot. Many critics still cite the notorious monkey studies of Dr. Robert G. Heath, which purported to find brain damage in three monkeys that had been heavily dosed with cannabis.(9) This work was never replicated and has since been discredited by a pair of better controlled, much larger monkey studies, one by Dr. William Slikker of the National Center for Toxicological Research(10) and the other by Charles Rebert and Gordon Pryor of SRI International.(11) Neither found any evidence of physical alteration in the brains of monkeys exposed to daily doses of pot for up to a year. Human studies of heavy users in Jamaica and Costa Rica found no evidence of abnormalities in brain physiology.(12) Even though there is no evidence that pot causes permanent brain damage, users should be aware that persistent deficits in short-term memory have been noted in chronic, heavy marijuana smokers after 6 to 12 weeks of abstinence.(13) It is worth noting that other drugs, including alcohol, are known to cause brain damage.
09-14-2007, 04:26 PM
Myth: Marijuana causes sterility and lowers testosterone
Government experts also concede that pot has no permanent effect on the male or female reproductive systems.(14) A few studies have suggested that heavy marijuana use may have a reversible, suppressive effect on male testicular function.(15) A recent study by Dr. Robert Block has refuted earlier research suggesting that pot lowers testosterone or other sex hormones in men or women.(16) In contrast, heavy alcohol drinking is known to lower testosterone levels and cause impotence. A couple of lab studies indicated that very heavy marijuana smoking might lower sperm counts. However, surveys of chronic smokers have turned up no indication of infertility or other abnormalities.
Less is known about the effects of cannabis on human females. Some animal studies suggest that pot might temporarily lower fertility or increase the risk of fetal loss, but this evidence is of dubious relevance to humans.(1) One human study suggested that pot may mildly disrupt ovulation. It is possible that adolescents are peculiarly vulnerable to hormonal disruptions from pot. However, not a single case of impaired fertility has ever been observed in humans of either sex.
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