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    well said bioman

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    There is definatelely a possibility of addiction... just b/c something is not "physically" addictive does not mean a person will not become mentally attached to it

    either way i know that in moderation the drug can be used safely for the most part and your only real health risk is the fact that it's smoked

    i'm just speaking mostly out of personal experience... there are always the exception, and people who are different

    And like i said I used to smoke heavy throughout the day everyday so that is alot different than taking a few rips off a joint every night to relax

    lol either way i dunno why i'm still arguing about this, it's definately not like me to preach about this type of sh*t, i guess i was just bored yesterday...i have many friends who still blaze and i'll even hit it once in a great while... i just hate f*uckin brain dead potheads!

    nuff said
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    lol,

    Well yeah, some people who smoke all day long are, shall we say, less than motivated individuals but IMO, they probably lacked that from the get-go.

    A puff or two at night before bed was all I ever cared for just for the improved sleep and muscle relaxation. Never have like smoking during the day unless I was really sick.

    Though the research seems to indicate moderate use poses little risk of lung disease or cancer..intuitively it's still never good to put smoke in your lungs. Unlike cigarette smoke, MJ by sheer volume and frequency is generally taken in in much smaller amounts and far less often. MJ smoke may have more tar, but less of the tar that is deposited stays in the lungs because it does not kill off the cillia like cig smoke. MJ smoke also tends to be dialate the bronchii whereas cig smoke constricts them making expectoration much more difficult so the toxins stay in the lungs for the long term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    well said bioman
    I'll second that! Living up here we have the law on our side if you are home, I know plenty of people who smoked alot when we were young and they are the typical wake and bake and not all that succesful in life and I also know PLENTY of well educated financially savy and sucessful people who burn daily. Moderation is the key. I can honesty say I have never heard of anyone who got super stoned and beat his wife and kids!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    lol,

    Well yeah, some people who smoke all day long are, shall we say, less than motivated individuals but IMO, they probably lacked that from the get-go.
    QFT

    It's funny because I came here to ask this question and the damn thing was already asked. Oh well... Tons of good points but this is how I take it...

    After I bust ass in the gym, a car ride with mary relaxes my muscles and I have one hell of a sleep!!! I've seen no side effects as to decreased gains in muscle mass. Until I see a loss in that...mary is my freind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crimsn View Post
    QFT

    It's funny because I came here to ask this question and the damn thing was already asked. Oh well... Tons of good points but this is how I take it...

    After I bust ass in the gym, a car ride with mary relaxes my muscles and I have one hell of a sleep!!!
    won't hurt the appetite either
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movin_weight View Post
    There is definatelely a possibility of addiction... just b/c something is not "physically" addictive does not mean a person will not become mentally attached to it

    either way i know that in moderation the drug can be used safely for the most part and your only real health risk is the fact that it's smoked

    i'm just speaking mostly out of personal experience... there are always the exception, and people who are different

    And like i said I used to smoke heavy throughout the day everyday so that is alot different than taking a few rips off a joint every night to relax

    lol either way i dunno why i'm still arguing about this, it's definately not like me to preach about this type of sh*t, i guess i was just bored yesterday...i have many friends who still blaze and i'll even hit it once in a great while... i just hate f*uckin brain dead potheads!

    nuff said
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    This begs the question: Do individuals susceptible to psychological addiction gravitate towards marijuana use, or does marijuana use promote psychological addiction?

    I find this argument tangential to the b.s. rhetoric used by anti-drug politicians in regards to steroids. The question in this case would be, and more relevant to the overarching topic of the board in general: do steroid "abusing" individuals succumb to fits of "'roid rage", or are individuals susceptible to fits of rage attracted to steroids?

    Moreover, you generally only hear and read in the news about the negative aspects and users of illegal and scheduled substances. Why? Legality issues aside, status quo and social perception could play a contributing factor....
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    Bingo and I beleive there are studies relating to your initial question. Most of the "gateway to other drugs" claims have been disproved by extensive sociological study. Basically they showed that although most addicts of hard drugs also used MJ, nearly all the addicts had come from troubled backgrounds..ie childhoods with instances of mental illness and criminal behavior BEFORE they ever used drugs.

    So when you look at it from that perspective, most of your addicts appear to be self medicating..possibly for a pre-existing mental illness. Treating the mental illness would be more humane and just than tossing them into prison and further degrading their lives.
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    I've been smoking marijuana for some time,..I'd probally be a paranoid retard or a vegetable if all that was true. the medical benefits have made quite a difference in my health and well being. Thanks to the open minds of voters and suporters, the sick now can save themselves from most of the side effects and high costs of perscription meds with a better alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movin_weight View Post
    There is definatelely a possibility of addiction... just b/c something is not "physically" addictive does not mean a person will not become mentally attached to it

    either way i know that in moderation the drug can be used safely for the most part and your only real health risk is the fact that it's smoked

    i'm just speaking mostly out of personal experience... there are always the exception, and people who are different

    And like i said I used to smoke heavy throughout the day everyday so that is alot different than taking a few rips off a joint every night to relax

    lol either way i dunno why i'm still arguing about this, it's definately not like me to preach about this type of sh*t, i guess i was just bored yesterday...i have many friends who still blaze and i'll even hit it once in a great while... i just hate f*uckin brain dead potheads!

    nuff said
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    I have no respect for chronic drug users. A little pot here and there, sure... I agree about those burnout types. If I'm around them in a group, I'll just sit there and rag on them all night in a very sarcastic/dry manner.

    I use GHB every night to go to sleep at just a couple of (ml)s before bed. I use it to sleep through a flight as well. If someone asked what I use to sleep so deeply, 75% of the time if I tell someone what it is, I get, "YOU'RE DATE RAPING YOURSELF! BLAH BLAH BLAH!"

    Non-harmful things in moderation, all the way.
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    I agree with everyone on here that a lil weed every once in a while, or even in small amounts daily doesnt cause any problems. I personally do it everynight almost, just to relax after a hard workout and to help increase the appetite. Smoke on all my fellow friends! LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaponeCEO View Post
    I have a serious consideration about any type of smoking and the effects it has on your lungs. Basically any type of smoking over time hinders the exchange of oxygen in the capilaries in the lung fields....to some degree. I firmly believe that oxygen in the muscles would be directly effected by this, and oxygen is what the muscles crave. Without proper oxygenation the muscle will not have the vital needs to grow.
    Current research shows your lungs will recover from years of cigarette smoke in as little as 5-6 months. I can't imagine this being worse for MJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    killing brain cells
    Not enough evidence to support this, plus as another poster has said the neuroprotective properties of MJ are beginning to actually be researched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movin_weight View Post
    I doubt that there are to many chronic everyday users here on a bodybuilding forum, but to all the pple that use everyday and come up with all this garbage about how it doesn't effect health/mental status ect... it is because you have an addiction! and with every addiction comes the need to justify that addiction!
    A lot more than you would think.

    Personally I smoke every now and again.

    Compare the negative effects of MJ to the negative effects of alcohol, yet no one thinks twice about that. Hell, its common that a college student will drink 2-3 times every week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wedgylx View Post
    A lot more than you would think.

    Personally I smoke every now and again.

    Compare the negative effects of MJ to the negative effects of alcohol, yet no one thinks twice about that. Hell, its common that a college student will drink 2-3 times every week.
    Dude, if licking frogs would get someone high, there would be people out trying it without researching it... Wait a minute, people already have tried that!

    Oh... not to mention baking banana peels and trying to extract 'bananadine' with ethyl alcohol in an attempt to make banana-crack in which to smoke and get high. Bro people rarely care about the side effects man. Stop comparing things to alcohol. It's really getting old and just because it's legal, it shouldn't be a fall-back comparison for every known psychotropic substance on Earth.

    If you're going to recreationally use a substance to induce a 'higher' state of mind, by all means go about it in a way that is condusive to your health and well-being. It's actually quite simple not to beat around the bush...

    ex. "Oh I snort a couple rails of snow every now and then... uhhh but HEY, you know that statistics show that alcohol has been known to cause fetal alcohol syndrome? Coke can't do that!"

    Don't justify your habits or behaviors. It lowers your integrity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    cons:
    killing brain cells
    That's *alcohol*, bro - time for more research?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post

    Don't justify your habits or behaviors. It lowers your integrity.
    I don't need any lessons in integrity, thank you.

    I'm not a habitual "every night" smoker - nor do I feel the need to defend any choices I make in my life to anyone else.

    I'm just saying that ripping on people who smoke weed every now and again because of its "harmful" effects while tolerating and participating in more detrimental activities makes a person a hypocrite.

    I'd say cycling is far worse for you than recreational marijuana use, even when used responsibly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wedgylx View Post
    I don't need any lessons in integrity, thank you.

    I'm not a habitual "every night" smoker - nor do I feel the need to defend any choices I make in my life to anyone else.

    I'm just saying that ripping on people who smoke weed every now and again because of its "harmful" effects while tolerating and participating in more detrimental activities makes a person a hypocrite.

    I'd say cycling is far worse for you than recreational marijuana use, even when used responsibly
    The integrity comment wasn't directed at you persay, but just some food for thought to those who constantly try and justify some crappy habits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movin_weight View Post
    lol those studies are probly straight off the "legalize marijuana" website

    I don't care what anybody says... chronic use of the herb f*cks you up

    now if you take a few rips every once in a while to chill and relax, your not going to have any probs... but using that garbage everyday is going to hinder just about any goals you have

    I smoked for like 3 years straight in highschool just about everyday and i when i finally quit it was like night and day in regards to the way i felt, mental clarity, motivation... everything

    I doubt that there are to many chronic everyday users here on a bodybuilding forum, but to all the pple that use everyday and come up with all this garbage about how it doesn't effect health/mental status ect... it is because you have an addiction! and with every addiction comes the need to justify that addiction!

    lol sh*t that was me 4-5 years ago, weed was the best thing in the world and i was gonna smoke it till i was 100 years old... but then i grew up

    like i said theres no prob. blazin every once in a while to relax and enjoy some good food, but don't kid yourselves and think doin it everyday doesn't have any negative effects!
    You also have to take in consideration you did this in highschool...your attention span and motivation to do anything besides have fun are not as controlled at a more mature age. I have disciplined my smoking and exercise habits much more since high school..
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    you all need to get a VapoCannon and chill the **** out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous View Post
    you all need to get a VapoCannon and chill the **** out.
    Why Vaporize?

    Studies have shown that it is possible to actively vaporize component ingredients by heating botanicals to a temperature short of the point of combustion, thereby eliminating or substantially reducing harmful smoke toxins that are normally present in botanical smoke. The vaporizer produces active vapor at a temperature of 360F - 380F. while eliminating many toxins, examples such as - benzene, a known carcinogen, plus toluene and naphthalene. Carbon monoxide and smoke tars are both qualitatively reduced by the vaporizer, but additional testing is needed to quantify the extent of the decrease.

    There is good reason to believe that the highly carcinogenic tars known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, which are thought to be a leading culprit in smoking-related cancers, are suppressed, since they normally form at much higher temperatures of combustion.

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    wouldnt using marijuana actually be a good thing

    once in a while
    you just light up a joint or hit the bong

    the munchies would help you eat anyway (provided what you eat isnt junk)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous View Post
    you all need to get a VapoCannon and chill the **** out.


    Haha, probably the best post in this entire thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ticktwo View Post
    THC lowers testosterone
    do you have ANY sort of medical backing to that answer or are you just one of the nonsmokers who likes to down talk pot everytime someone mentions it
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurdlemaker View Post
    why dont u try a google search using the word "vaporizor", lol. Ive used a volcano before. I think that it was pretty sweet, but it got me a lot higher than i like to get. I dont like feeling like a vegetable. Also try using clear rolling papers, they are made out of vegetable oils i think. They taste a lot better than traditional blunts or rolling papers. They also make a lot less smoke. Smoking after a workout is a great idea imo. It relaxes you and makes you want to eat more. When I get a little high i feel an increase in libido, but when i get completely baked i just feel like not moving.
    bro those plastic papes are a big no no in the smoking world. it lets off black smoke for god sake..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Don't justify your habits or behaviors. It lowers your integrity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BodyWizard View Post
    "Never apologize, Mister - it's a sign of weakness."
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    Vaping is not the same, plain and simple. I used to smoke some (ok a ****ton actually) and I never enjoyed vaping really. It works somewhat, but you do not get all the same chemicals as you do smoking it- which is why vaporizer leftovers can be used to make brownies.

    There's just nothing like the feeling of smoking a joint... much more relaxing, even if less healthy and efficient. Also the clear papers are cellulose, not plastic, but I would still not use them.

    Weed is a vasodilator, especially good fun before a hard bike ride.

    I don't smoke up these days but I still wholly endorse it as a social activity. It's cheaper, healthier, and more fun than drinking, and depending where you live legal consequences are unlikely if you are not stupid about it. I've never had any discernable negative health effects (cough or otherwise) from it, don't regret it a bit, and wish I could still do it (current job tests).
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    I love the mj, i'll be the first to buy marlboro greens

    But all of you say a huff and puff a lil now and then is fine and i totally agree, i do the same actually, except a huff might be a blunt and a puff might be a few bowls....but for those who say its ok taking 1 hit or two or day....

    what about when u do that for a month or 3 months straight? your tolerance will go up and you will need to take 4x or 5x more than you did when u started to get a feel? thats what i went through and it takes alot for me to get high now....which i dont have a problem with but others might
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpfisher View Post
    Vaping is not the same, plain and simple. I used to smoke some (ok a ****ton actually) and I never enjoyed vaping really. It works somewhat, but you do not get all the same chemicals as you do smoking it- which is why vaporizer leftovers can be used to make brownies.

    There's just nothing like the feeling of smoking a joint... much more relaxing, even if less healthy and efficient. Also the clear papers are cellulose, not plastic, but I would still not use them.

    Weed is a vasodilator, especially good fun before a hard bike ride.

    I don't smoke up these days but I still wholly endorse it as a social activity. It's cheaper, healthier, and more fun than drinking, and depending where you live legal consequences are unlikely if you are not stupid about it. I've never had any discernable negative health effects (cough or otherwise) from it, don't regret it a bit, and wish I could still do it (current job tests).
    That bike ride would end short with me at the first site of food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kMz View Post
    do you have ANY sort of medical backing to that answer or are you just one of the nonsmokers who likes to down talk pot everytime someone mentions it
    nah he's just an anti-bud guy. blazing actually INCREASES test/LH for about 30min. after initially hitting whatever your fav thing is to use. hence the libido increase. well this is also due to increased dopamine and serotonin levels, but it increases test for a short period of time. if you blaze all day, everyday for years, then yea it can effect your hormones in a negative manner. this is still minimal though. with that being said, blaze on bro's..... blaze on
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpfisher View Post
    Vaping is not the same, plain and simple. I used to smoke some (ok a ****ton actually) and I never enjoyed vaping really. It works somewhat, but you do not get all the same chemicals as you do smoking it- which is why vaporizer leftovers can be used to make brownies.

    There's just nothing like the feeling of smoking a joint... much more relaxing, even if less healthy and efficient. Also the clear papers are cellulose, not plastic, but I would still not use them.

    Weed is a vasodilator, especially good fun before a hard bike ride.

    I don't smoke up these days but I still wholly endorse it as a social activity. It's cheaper, healthier, and more fun than drinking, and depending where you live legal consequences are unlikely if you are not stupid about it. I've never had any discernable negative health effects (cough or otherwise) from it, don't regret it a bit, and wish I could still do it (current job tests).

    I agree. I used to own a vaporizer and before that I smoked at least two bowls a day. You get high with the vape but you're not...HIGH. Pretty much,if you enjoy something then do it,just don't over use it and be smart. All I know is that if you're going to do something then smoking is the least harmful. I don't smoke anymore but I'm not opposed to it at all.
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    haha some funny shhit in this thread, yeah i got a vaporizer which i use a vapezilla to be exact and i only ever use it at night and not all the time. i used it on my first cycle which was epi and managed to gain 18lbs on it.

    does anyone get wicked pumps after they've smoked. when you've trained and mull up couple hours later every muscle is just so pumped its awesome

    ps any critics of vaping either have crap bud or have not used a good vape that does the job properly. they work and work very well
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    All I know is:
    The boys from Oklahoma roll their joints all wrong, too dam skinny, and way too long. I aint a holy roller, so I'll just use a bong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gtarzan81 View Post
    All I know is:
    The boys from Oklahoma roll their joints all wrong, too dam skinny, and way too long. I aint a holy roller, so I'll just use a bong

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    Has anyone tried Nabilone? Works quite well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuron View Post
    Has anyone tried Nabilone? Works quite well.
    Ive never heard of it. Could you enlighten us please?
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    idk about ne one else i barely smoke but when i do rarely 1-2 a yr i feel smaller when i get high
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    I guess I'll come clean. A few hits of the kind is the best pre-workout supplement on the face of the earth, IMO.
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