[Hank Vangut]

Marijuana Health Mythology

and if you google each study independently they are somewhat easy to find.

[Ubiquitous]

There's nothing wrong with it, as long as it doesn't hurt your motivation.

[pistonpump]

ubi you clown..! im starting to look forward to your creative changes to your avys....

how about gandalf?

[Movin_weight]

lol those studies are probly straight off the "legalize marijuana" website

I don't care what anybody says... chronic use of the herb f*cks you up

now if you take a few rips every once in a while to chill and relax, your not going to have any probs... but using that garbage everyday is going to hinder just about any goals you have

I smoked for like 3 years straight in highschool just about everyday and i when i finally quit it was like night and day in regards to the way i felt, mental clarity, motivation... everything

I doubt that there are to many chronic everyday users here on a bodybuilding forum, but to all the pple that use everyday and come up with all this garbage about how it doesn't effect health/mental status ect... it is because you have an addiction! and with every addiction comes the need to justify that addiction!

lol sh*t that was me 4-5 years ago, weed was the best thing in the world and i was gonna smoke it till i was 100 years old... but then i grew up

like i said theres no prob. blazin every once in a while to relax and enjoy some good food, but don't kid yourselves and think doin it everyday doesn't have any negative effects!

[Hank Vangut]

there is no question that MJ alters mental state. no one is arguing that. and this can be argued as a negative or positive side effect depending on the user. obviously, movinweight views this as negative.

however there are no conclusive studies showing that long term use of MJ is significantly detrimental to health (with exception to the inhalation of tar content).

earlier studies performed showing negative health effects of MJ have since been disproved. those old studies were conducted back when govt propaganda was attempting to gain public support in criminalization of drug use in the U.S.

i'm open to a change of opinion, you just need to direct me to some valid studies instead of telling me about your personal experiences.

[Movin_weight]

I'll have to locate the study when i have more time or someone here can search for it, but i remember reading a persons risk of hear-attack is increased by 5-fold within the first hour of smoking

And it also causes an dose dependent increase in heart-rate... can increase anxiety and blood pressure... now whether these will cause long term problems? maybe not but i was defintely more concerned with the cognitive/mental effects of the drug

i mean chronic use makes you a moron... slow reacting, loss of short term memory ect...

[sacramentking]

I take lifting very seriously, I also smoke daily, just a few hits a couple a times a day, if you get baked, I can't see how that is benificial, I like to just alter my mood a little and eat several huge meals throughout the day

[bioman]

Also no conclusive data showing it to be "addictive". Habit forming..yes, but not addictive in the classic sense. That's just been a recent addition to the claims against pot so that drug treatment centers can drum up more business...ie get busted for pot, then you have to go to rehab.

Smoking chronically as a teen is much different than doing so as an adult. Teens are undergoing the most major neurological changes that will dictate how their brains will function in later life. IMO, ANY mood altering or nuerotropic substance use at this stage is a risk and should be avoided.

As for adult use..recent studies point to there being no permanent harm to any level of brain function. Short term memory loss can occur, but only under the direct influence of pot and the memory loss disappears upon cessation.

I smoked for about 9 years straight with hardly a break until recently. I bodybuilt up to my desired physique, worked a job in the sciences, sired a healthy and beautiful baby, maintained a good marriage, started a remodeling business, and am about to start a new business...all during daily MJ use and all without issues.

I quit because I wanted a break and to avoid building up a huge tolerance.

I also know or am affiliated with several millionaires who do the same...hard working, intelligent people who simply enjoy the bud.

Are there those who can't handle it? Sure. A certain percentage of people out there will use just about anything to run away from or alter their perspective realities. These are the ones who will preach how awful it or any other drug is after they get themselves together. They then "know" how bad the pot was and what it can do when in reality, they were self medicating for a reason and that reason has probably not been addressed or it went away on it's own. Hard drugs are obviously different and do indeed alter neurochemical pathways over the long term causing a person to become someone else.

Too much of anything is bad, but what is seldom talked about is what the reasons are for using too much. It's easier to blame substance X and now you can't even play poker without being bombarded with "You might have a gambling problem if..." media of some type.

There's that little thing called "personal responsibility"..ya either got it or you don't. If you don't, you'll find something to destroy yourself with and blame it on.

The Devil made me post all of that



A book I highly recommend "Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts" examines all of the claims against pot and what the scientific based realities really are.

[bioman]

Originally Posted by Movin_weight

I'll have to locate the study when i have more time or someone here can search for it, but i remember reading a persons risk of hear-attack is increased by 5-fold within the first hour of smoking

And it also causes an dose dependent increase in heart-rate... can increase anxiety and blood pressure... now whether these will cause long term problems? maybe not but i was defintely more concerned with the cognitive/mental effects of the drug

i mean chronic use makes you a moron... slow reacting, loss of short term memory ect...

The heart study was done in a group of sedantary, over-50 adults and does not represent a definitive study. For a person who is in shape and takes care of themselves, the 60 minute boost in BP is probably not significant...ie excercise itself elevates BP when you are actively lifting.

Your "moron" comment would be taken more seriously if you used proper punctuation.

[Hank Vangut]

Originally Posted by Movin_weight

I'll have to locate the study when i have more time or someone here can search for it, but i remember reading a persons risk of hear-attack is increased by 5-fold within the first hour of smoking

And it also causes an dose dependent increase in heart-rate... can increase anxiety and blood pressure... now whether these will cause long term problems? maybe not but i was defintely more concerned with the cognitive/mental effects of the drug

yes, this you happen to be somewhat correct here. however, exercise also increases heart rate and heart attack risk. still, health professionals recommend exercise despite how dangerous it is.

Myth: Pot causes high blood pressure
According to the NAS, the effects of marijuana on blood pressure are complex, depending on dose, administration, and posture.(7) Marijuana often produces a temporary, moderate increase in blood pressure immediately after ingestion; however, heavy chronic doses may slightly depress blood pressure instead. One common reaction is to cause decreased blood pressure while standing and increased blood pressure while lying down, causing people to faint if they stand up too quickly. There is no evidence that pot use causes persisting hypertension or heart disease; some users even claim that it helps them control hypertension by reducing stress.

One thing THC does do is to increase pulse rates for about an hour. This is not generally harmful, since exercise does the same thing, but it may cause problems to people with pre-existing heart disease. Chronic users may develop a tolerance to this and other cardiovascular reactions.

[b unit]

well said bioman

[Movin_weight]

There is definatelely a possibility of addiction... just b/c something is not "physically" addictive does not mean a person will not become mentally attached to it

either way i know that in moderation the drug can be used safely for the most part and your only real health risk is the fact that it's smoked

i'm just speaking mostly out of personal experience... there are always the exception, and people who are different

And like i said I used to smoke heavy throughout the day everyday so that is alot different than taking a few rips off a joint every night to relax

lol either way i dunno why i'm still arguing about this, it's definately not like me to preach about this type of sh*t, i guess i was just bored yesterday...i have many friends who still blaze and i'll even hit it once in a great while... i just hate f*uckin brain dead potheads!

nuff said
one love!

[bioman]

lol,

Well yeah, some people who smoke all day long are, shall we say, less than motivated individuals but IMO, they probably lacked that from the get-go.

A puff or two at night before bed was all I ever cared for just for the improved sleep and muscle relaxation. Never have like smoking during the day unless I was really sick.

Though the research seems to indicate moderate use poses little risk of lung disease or cancer..intuitively it's still never good to put smoke in your lungs. Unlike cigarette smoke, MJ by sheer volume and frequency is generally taken in in much smaller amounts and far less often. MJ smoke may have more tar, but less of the tar that is deposited stays in the lungs because it does not kill off the cillia like cig smoke. MJ smoke also tends to be dialate the bronchii whereas cig smoke constricts them making expectoration much more difficult so the toxins stay in the lungs for the long term.

[Bering C]

Originally Posted by b unit

well said bioman

I'll second that! Living up here we have the law on our side if you are home, I know plenty of people who smoked alot when we were young and they are the typical wake and bake and not all that succesful in life and I also know PLENTY of well educated financially savy and sucessful people who burn daily. Moderation is the key. I can honesty say I have never heard of anyone who got super stoned and beat his wife and kids!