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    Quote Originally Posted by Abaddon75 View Post
    I pick up an assortment of bodybuilding magazines from time to time, and I see they're full of huge guys promoting suppliments, diets, or work out routines. None of them ever promote steroids. But I look at these guys and say to myself, there's no way these guys are following only what they preach. I suppose some of these guys might be naturals, but I feel it's kinda false advertising when the others act as if they got big without the roids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw View Post
    You have to specifically pic up a "natural bodybuilding" magazine to find guys who don't juice. Men's fitness is pretty much full of normal guys, men's health as well but muscle and fitness, flex, muscle mag all roids.

    What I always wonder is even if your lifting and pushing large amounts of weight the tendons, ligaments and all the soft tissue in the joints can only take so much. The body is designed to build mass at a certain rate so it prevents injury and the joint can support the gains. Sometimes on waxy maize and creatine I have very little lactic burn and I keep going and I stop only cause of the weight I feel in my joint. All these guys must have constant chronic pain and injuries. They must all be on oxy as well. There's no way they do it smart. They wanna be the best so they will take short cuts.
    I'm sure even Men"s Fitness and Natural Body body builing mags have all run something in the recent past. If not, then they are extremely photoshopped!
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    To each his own. Does it really matter what they do aslong as it doesnt harm you in some way? Everyone should have a say with what they do with their life in my opinion, so why would I care or should you. If we took your life and let everyone analyize it im sure we would find things we dont agree with dissaprove of but would it be fair to hinder you or your life when its not causing harm to anyone but yourself? Sure.....people & friends would offer advice ect....but it all comes down to a CHOICE which is always yours to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by need2grow View Post
    To each his own. Does it really matter what they do aslong as it doesnt harm you in some way?
    If it didn't harm anyone then maybe. Someone looks at them and thinks how do I get like that? Someone says take what they do. Then they go down the same route. The images are what causes a lot of guys to use in the first place. More so then just getting big. Same concept as women have as what skinny is. They pic up a magazine and look at a girl and say how do I get that skinny. "Here take this". Not a whole lot different. Also tell the people who are friends and family of the ones if it hasn't harmed them in some way. Have you thought of any of that?

    Take a look at some old school body building pictures before steriods came into the picture where all that was put in was hard work. Those were the days..
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayts22 View Post
    The craziest thing, is that there are no current published studies on the long term use of steriods and health issues, pro or con, at least thats what I saw on real sports, you can look it up on you tube...of course I don't know much about AAS, being as I don't use them
    That's because recreational use in most western countries is illegal and against the rules of most sports organization. Steroids are the dirty little secret that everyone knows about but won't discuss because it can land them in prison or torpedo their career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by need2grow View Post
    To each his own. Does it really matter what they do aslong as it doesnt harm you in some way? Everyone should have a say with what they do with their life in my opinion, so why would I care or should you. If we took your life and let everyone analyize it im sure we would find things we dont agree with dissaprove of but would it be fair to hinder you or your life when its not causing harm to anyone but yourself? Sure.....people & friends would offer advice ect....but it all comes down to a CHOICE which is always yours to make.
    It does matter because the industry is telling lies of omissions. Putting pictures of juiced athletes in articles and advertising about diet, training, and supplements without disclosing their drug use is misleading to fans and consumers.

    I would argue that this does do harm. How many kids have been scammed out of their minimum wage earned cash to buy the latest BS supplement because it was associated with some pro bodybuilder only to find it made zero difference? How many people who finally realized what the secret to the pros success is and also decide to use steroids but because of the illegality have to buy on the black market and often without knowing what the risks are?

    You are right that if these athletes want to sacrifice their long term health for living the high life today then that should be their prerogative. However, until the industries are up front and honest about drug use, there will be negative impacts for those that support those industries.
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    No, anyone who's under the age of 18 should have a parent or guardian looking after them and teaching them the diffrence between right and wrong. You cant blame the world for little dannys problems because you dont wanna spend the time teaching your own kid what is real and what not, right? Didnt your dad tell you there was no such things as monsters? lol now above 18 well fact of life is you live and learn and if the worst info the kids get is to eat right, workout, and dont drink or you cant achive this "status" then so be it. Its a lie none the less but atleast they learn and become healthy and more knowledgeable......beats smoking cigs, drinking and meth right or would you compare some of the skinny female celebs that use narc to become skinny or anarexic to the body builders who choose to juice and promote decent legal supps or would you rather them say kids need to juice up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by need2grow View Post
    No
    No to what? I made several points there.

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    anyone who's under the age of 18 should have a parent or guardian looking after them and teaching them the diffrence between right and wrong. You cant blame the world for little dannys problems because you dont wanna spend the time teaching your own kid what is real and what not, right?
    Wow. Where do you live? Must be nice if everyone has perfect, all knowing, eternally available parents. As someone already mentioned, there is not a lot of readily available clinical information on steroid use. If potential users have a tough time of it, how are parents supposed to get the info? Regardless, if you can argue that we can't blame the world, I can just as easily argue that we can't blame parenting. It's a moot argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by need2grow View Post
    lol now above 18 well fact of life is you live and learn and if the worst info the kids get is to eat right, workout, and dont drink or you cant achive this "status" then so be it. Its a lie none the less but atleast they learn and become healthy and more knowledgeable......beats smoking cigs, drinking and meth right or would you compare some of the skinny female celebs that use narc to become skinny or anarexic to the body builders who choose to juice and promote decent legal supps or would you rather them say kids need to juice up?
    More knowledgeable about false information? Great. Healthy? Not if they then turn to steroids/pro-hormones.

    Your comparison to other substance abuse is irrelevant. It is like saying that it is better to be an alcoholic than a heroin addict. On an absolute scale then sure, but man you are just choosing a convenient context to justify your opinion.

    IMO people should be given the straight goods so that they can make an informed decision. If they want to look like a pro BB then they should know what is really required and what sacrifices they have to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abaddon75 View Post
    I pick up an assortment of bodybuilding magazines from time to time, and I see they're full of huge guys promoting suppliments, diets, or work out routines. None of them ever promote steroids. But I look at these guys and say to myself, there's no way these guys are following only what they preach. I suppose some of these guys might be naturals, but I feel it's kinda false advertising when the others act as if they got big without the roids.

    Thoughts?
    hypocrisy money and the law stop theese mags from tellin it like it is i cant belive in this day and age people dont know you cant get 260lbs of pure muscle without a little help,
    even happens at the gym you have some guys who tell it like it is and spme bull**** they are "clean" yeah thats why you just put 20lbs of muscle on this month!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    oh yea the journey is incredible, the highs of bodybuilding cant be compared to anything. i guess they achieve that ultimate alpha male feeling, pumping so much testosterone. i just cant imagine how it feels to wake up when you are older, joints and ligaments all f'ed up, pissin blood, who knows what other terrible things you gotta deal with then.
    Although he seems like he is in good health, except for dialysis, I believe Arnold would be a great person to ask.
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    Parents are supose to to be responsible for the kids, you insenuating that parents are perfect is well.....foolish. The idea that certain groups of people are perfect would just the same. The way you're making it seem tho that no one else is to blame but mags and pro-bodybuilders.....dont you think there's more to it then that, c'mon now......thats like over weight people blaming mcdonalds because they're fat and didnt give them all the critical info on how they're supose to eat before they ordered their food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    At that level, it's hard to say it won't. However, on another level, you cannot say that they didn't follow a dream. Most people drift through life hating their job and aren't truly living. I think most people would take a fulfilling and rewarding 50-year life than a mundane and aimless 80-year life.
    A dream? Lol. Most of these guys are drug addicts. How do you think some of these guys pay for their drugs? Do you really want to know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by need2grow View Post
    Parents are supose to to be responsible for the kids, you insenuating that parents are perfect is well.....foolish. The idea that certain groups of people are perfect would just the same. The way you're making it seem tho that no one else is to blame but mags and pro-bodybuilders.....dont you think there's more to it then that, c'mon now......thats like over weight people blaming mcdonalds because they're fat and didnt give them all the critical info on how they're supose to eat before they ordered their food.
    I agree. People need to smarten up and take some initiative and inform themselves, especially before putting something in their body, whether it be a big mac or 400mg testosterone. You can't blame marketers for not disclosing every detail about their products. They wanna make a buck and if someone is gullible enough to buy into it, then it's on them. Supplement companies are no different. If you really wanna know if Nano Vapor will make you look like the guy in the ad, then inform yourself with advice and answers from credible sources (who will tell you hell no), don't just believe the hype. Kids are always the centerpiece for argument, whether it's movies, music, etc.. There are things kids have no business watching, listening to, or doing, and whoever is responsible for them should be responsible for creating a filter or barrier between the kid and the source.
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    People have been given 100's of years to smarten up.. what have we accomplished? LOL Thanks to advances is science sure our children may be able to prolong death and live to 100 but that won't stop them from trying to die earlier!
    ôLord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life"- John 6:68

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    Quote Originally Posted by bezoe View Post
    I agree. People need to smarten up and take some initiative and inform themselves, especially before putting something in their body, whether it be a big mac or 400mg testosterone. You can't blame marketers for not disclosing every detail about their products. They wanna make a buck and if someone is gullible enough to buy into it, then it's on them. Supplement companies are no different. If you really wanna know if Nano Vapor will make you look like the guy in the ad, then inform yourself with advice and answers from credible sources (who will tell you hell no), don't just believe the hype. Kids are always the centerpiece for argument, whether it's movies, music, etc.. There are things kids have no business watching, listening to, or doing, and whoever is responsible for them should be responsible for creating a filter or barrier between the kid and the source.
    Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions and I respect that. Arguing about which is right is futile. However I can't get over the fact that some of you are effectively taking the position that you think it is acceptable for businesses to lie to and deceive their customers. Picture the economy in the absence of consumer protection laws:

    Consumer: 'I just dropped $35k on this new car and it doesn't work.'
    Carmaker: ' Oh well, sucks to be you, should have had an engineering team look it over. Next!'

    If that doesn't paint a picture for you then imagine living in one of those corrupt, third world countries like Nigeria.

    Anyhow we are lucky enough that most industries are kept fairly honest. However the fitness, BB, and nutrition industry is one that is constantly pushing the envelope on ethics.

    One last comment; it might seem silly but think about it for a minute. You say that people need to smarten up. The problem is that there is no cure for stupidity. Some people just don't know any better, never have and never will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw View Post
    People have been given 100's of years to smarten up.. what have we accomplished? LOL Thanks to advances is science sure our children may be able to prolong death and live to 100 but that won't stop them from trying to die earlier!
    It's Darwinism. Even modern medicine can't prevent people with less intelligence from killing themselves off. I can't see myself feeling sympathetic for those who don't take precautions to salvage their health, even if something dangerous is put in front of their face with no explaination of what it can do to them. But bb mags don't encourage AAS use blatantly. It's inferred by the reader that those cats are juiced and taken upon them to go find out what steroids are, how to get them, and how to use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    At that level, it's hard to say it won't. However, on another level, you cannot say that they didn't follow a dream. Most people drift through life hating their job and aren't truly living. I think most people would take a fulfilling and rewarding 50-year life than a mundane and aimless 80-year life.
    Hell yea! Lift like a beast for your whole life and get paid to do it?? Where do I sign!? And for all of you who think "oh these pro's just take roids and get huge, anyone could do it and they're lazy." I'd just like to say they probably know more about sacrifice, dedication, and passion than you ever will. With artificial help or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by immaboss9 View Post
    Hell yea! Lift like a beast for your whole life and get paid to do it?? Where do I sign!? And for all of you who think "oh these pro's just take roids and get huge, anyone could do it and they're lazy." I'd just like to say they probably know more about sacrifice, dedication, and passion than you ever will. With artificial help or not.

    my .02
    you might be saying this now, but when you wake up at 40 something and your health is gone to $hit..i know you would regret the overjuicing. just like rockstars whos liver/kidneys give out from partying all their life, bodybuilders probably hit a serious wall
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    you might be saying this now, but when you wake up at 40 something and your health is gone to $hit..i know you would regret the overjuicing. just like rockstars whos liver/kidneys give out from partying all their life, bodybuilders probably hit a serious wall
    "Overjuicing" is the key word. The pros abuse the stuff, yes. They rely on it to keep their jobs. Sacrifice their health to impress spectators and get paid. If someone uses AAS perpetually and doesn't make a living off of it, they are a fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    you might be saying this now, but when you wake up at 40 something and your health is gone to $hit..i know you would regret the overjuicing. just like rockstars whos liver/kidneys give out from partying all their life, bodybuilders probably hit a serious wall
    Yea I feel ya, but still... It'd be freaking schaawweeet! Though I'd probably look into the natty route and maybe live a couple more decades.

    Arny seems like he's doing pretty good though, and that was back in the day when even doctors didn't really know what exactly they were doing... Just a thought...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bezoe View Post
    "Overjuicing" is the key word. The pros abuse the stuff, yes. They rely on it to keep their jobs. Sacrifice their health to impress spectators and get paid. If someone uses AAS perpetually and doesn't make a living off of it, they are a fool.
    Remember, these are the top guys who are taking enough juice to pump a bull. They are the exception not the rule. You make a valid point though, if you are pushing the limits of what the body can take in terms of foreign substances in the system and you aren't being paid for it then that's a problem.

    Also, anyone who really believes that taking muscletech products will make them massive wouldn't be such a loss to the gene pool
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    Quote Originally Posted by SemiBulimic View Post
    Remember, these are the top guys who are taking enough juice to pump a bull. They are the exception not the rule. You make a valid point though, if you are pushing the limits of what the body can take in terms of foreign substances in the system and you aren't being paid for it then that's a problem.

    Also, anyone who really believes that taking muscletech products will make them massive wouldn't be such a loss to the gene pool
    So true. Some people are incredibly naive when it comes to marketing. I love that scene in "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" where they talk about how easy it is to make an "ad."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    So true. Some people are incredibly naive when it comes to marketing. I love that scene in "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" where they talk about how easy it is to make an "ad."
    Yea with the airbushing. People look at mags and eat that s*** up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    So true. Some people are incredibly naive when it comes to marketing. I love that scene in "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" where they talk about how easy it is to make an "ad."
    That's a movie everybody interested in bodybuilding should watch.

    "www .youtube.com/watch?v=BfTnVCh0dKE" - Bigger Stronger Faster clip
    (around 6:20 they get to the part about advertising)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindless View Post
    That's a movie everybody interested in bodybuilding should watch.

    "www .youtube.com/watch?v=BfTnVCh0dKE" - Bigger Stronger Faster clip
    (around 6:20 they get to the part about advertising)
    That's a great clip. Sums up everything I have been trying to say. Reps!
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    thats what happens when you get off the juice.... i know it sucks
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    Here is something about magazines. Yes they are all on juice and those workout "routines" are not ones they really do. I got this from a pro I know. If they put thier real routines in there then they would not have the percieved edge on the competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by capnsavem View Post
    thats why you have the "Pro" bodybuilding events and the "Natural" bodybuilding events...

    these guys that have their pro cards, man they sacrifice so much and work so damn hard... the only possible way to get that big AND shredded is to run cycles of you-name-it... but i'd venture to guess most of them run them as safe as possible and dont "abuse" them for the most part... i hope

    i'm not condoning the use of steroids, and i would never touch the stuff, but i commend these guys on their drive and work ethic to get where they are.
    I don't think so. Most of the guys I know who compete seriously are on year round.
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    I read this article way back when about Matarazzo and i was astonished. I mean, i knew what all was going on in the world of bodybuilding.. but he paints a grotesque picture.

    findarticles . com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_5_23/ai_n14706837/

    here's an little bit:

    "Worst were the chemicals. I have so many memories of being alone in a hotel room the week, five days or two days before a contest, and doing unspeakable things to my body--steroids, growth hormones, diuretics--anything and everything that we as bodybuilders do to achieve a certain look."
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    Matarazzo is a sick man these days too because of it. He has had open heart surgery and had another whopping MI (myocardial infarction=heart attack) a few years later. He now trys to teach people to drop the vanity and worry about total body health and not just get huge at all costs.
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    lol he says at one point he was eating 5-7 pounds of red meat a day, with no vegetables. you can tell he was on all sorts of chemicals, the physique just doesnt look normal. not that any BB's body is normal looking but his is just super dense and extra wide lol
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    steroids are a tool, they still have to train and diet their asses off to look like that...but yes 20 inch arms = steroids haha
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